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CSS / JS revamp

Few things have been fixed/added throughout the site, such as the possibility to show/hide tables (see {{Navigation Box}}), or the preferences page. Hope you like them! --Adys 01:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

In addition to the extensive CSS work (feedback and suggestions please!), I have altered a few Main Page links slightly, with Reputation and Warcraft Universe now appearing. The latter needs a fair bit of link work, whilst one page it links, Quotes of World of Warcraft, is weird to say the least. It repeats a massive amount of info from flirts and jokes. One other quick thing - how should tables be changed? Atm they appear as:

I am a default table without any styles applied to me.

... and should probably be altered to fit better with the colour scheme. A darker background perhaps? For comparison pre (large code block) tags use #2c2c2c, whereas darktable (nav tables) uses #202020. Kirkburn talk contr 01:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'm tempted to remove the default bg colour from tables entirely, since it doesn't actually help (and messes with certain other elements, such as categories). Kirkburn talk contr 03:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
More tweaks made! I have yet to do anything with table bgs yet, asi want to see what stuff breaks with the change. The only stuff I have come across so far is some info tables on zones, e.g. Elwynn Forest, which need converting to new-style tables anyway. Kirkburn talk contr 18:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
nav boxes, like stuff derrived from {{Navigation Box}}, don't actually use darktable... they need converted over. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 03:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
As a very minor nugget of info: CSS 2.1 has a color shortcut, where you type #rgb and it's expanded to #rrggbb - that means something like #fc2 will expand to #ffcc22, not #f0c020. So maybe when picking widely used colors, stick to that convention, (meaning change both to #222222). Of course, it's safe to assume most people reading this wiki aren't on ancient 8-bit color displays. But it doesn't hurt to be "accessible" to some degree. Further reading: [1] --Piumosso-Uldum 04:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
You might want to remove the "google ads" line from above the "Wiki Spotlight" box in the nav column on the left. - ClydeJr - talk - contrib 19:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I have mentioned it to those who can change it. I hate that sidebar anyway, in my own CSS it has no borders or backgrounds. Kirkburn talk contr 20:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Another quick change - tables now have no background by default, so you may find tables that need a background defined. The only one's I came across in testing were on zone pages (e.g. Westfall), but those tables need redoing anyway. Kirkburn talk contr 17:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I need a styling opinion on class boxes. Some classes shouldn't have an issue with background coloring. Paladin, mage, rogue, and priest are exceptions, due to their light class color. For the paladin I feel like I got a good color. Further, someone might want to set up alternating background colors for some lists (I'll do my best on the paladin ones. See Paladin and comment on the color choice. Modify at will in mediawiki:common.css. Use your favorite color picker, but the one I found with little searching, which is good enough for me, is ColorPicker 3.1.

I've also changed essentially all the templates that call {{listboxformat}} so that they're properly classed. Some of the times I invented a new class in the middle of it, so not all similar boxes have the same classing scheme throughout. That's pretty easy to fix, and will come out in the wash I suspect. It is my opinion that many similar templates should be classed similarly (in the relevant way) so that even if their class isn't described in the CSS at the moment, in the future you will be able to describe them all in one swoop, and they'll all match in their own way. It could take a lot of work to manage that now, but for future reference.... Schmidt 16:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Great work! Kirkburn talk contr 18:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I came home and my brother's computer was on He's a Dallas fan, so it was open to the box scores for their preseason game. I found it interesting that their rookie kicker Nick Folk made a 52-yard FG and Grammatica missed a 51-yarder. In any case, I noticed that when you mouseover a stat row on Martin Grammatica's page the entire row takes a different class. I know that it can't be that hard to manage with coding. (onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''") I looked at the source and it's pretty basic, but I was wondering if we could manage to set something up somehow where we could have built-in coding...somehow...yeah. I don't know how it could be pulled off other than the obvious (which would be to code that in for each row), but I wonder if you crazy bot-writing people could jerry-rig something in that regard. Further, is this something that anyone would be interested in implementing for generalized styling? If so, and if no other coding would help, I suppose we could write a template that would allow a row to be formatted with one class normally, and if it was moused over, it would take an alternate class. The main class and the mouseover classes should be user-selectable with the call to the template. Or possibly (not sure about this), maybe we could define some such as: .paladin {...} .paladin:hover {...}, eh? Anyone know? Schmidt 23:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

And I've added warlock and mage colors to the CSS. See user:D. F. Schmidt/Sandbox for a test version of the nav table. I'll work on more class colors as I find the time and energy. Comments on color formatting are welcome, as well as whether or not these colors (even if otherwise adopted) should be found in the classnav table. Schmidt 06:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Ok. I added all the class colors with the obvious exception of Death Knight. Take a look at my sandbox as above. The class colors could use some tweaking, and I don't mind it one bit. I tried to keep all the colors used within the realm of the class color. Obviously rogues and priests are especially tricky on that part. For priests I just made them silverish; rogues are even more tricky than that because yellow doesn't translate well into darker colors. In any case, I would like it if class pages and especially tables that are associated with a given class use these colors (not these specific colors, but class coloring as such), but I don't think I can enforce that to any extent greater than just an expression of wish. Schmidt 13:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't think class coloring to that extent really flows well with the coloring of the wiki. If you hadn't noticed, the wiki is a dark grey background with very dark hues of the other colors. Especially, using bright pink for the paladins won't work. Maybe for accent, but not for the entire table. I think the second dispel example on your sandbox might be best. --Pcj (TC) 13:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
As if I hadn't noticed that. I was, after all, designing the colors according to a foreground of white text. I did a pretty good job of selecting colors, I think. I could have done a little better obviously, or--better yet--someone else could have suggested a color or two in response, and even better still, someone else could have come up with a better color right off. In any case, well... whatever. Schmidt 07:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, the last dispel table looks ok, the others are a bit excessive on color. --GRYPHONtc 15:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Alright, so I guess we can just have one such definition for class box elements, meaning no alternate colors for alternating lines. That works, and it makes it better really, since if the alt colors as they are now are the main colors, it'll match the dark overall scheme better. Alright, when I get to it, I'll change it if no one else has yet. I do agree, but I wanted to check it out anyways. Schmidt 07:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Priest alternate row color was badly defined anyway. --Pcj (TC) 21:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I challenge you and anyone else to present a suggestion that someone might have made as to what color these elements should take. (I never said they were the best colors, but the best I could do with my limited design experience.) After all, what is a wiki for, anyways? Schmidt 08:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
By badly defined I mean it was an invalid number being passed in the CSS entry. You seem to have left off a digit. --Pcj (TC) 12:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
You should make the ".paladin a, .paladinalt a" definition white in my opinion, pink on pink looks terrible. --Pcj (TC) 18:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

So we have JS... the big question... when are we getting Wowhead-provided hover tooltips for {{loot}}? TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 07:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking for people to help me test my implementation of WoWWiki-powered hover tooltips for that. If you're interested, let me know. Thanks! --Pcj (TC) 21:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
To do this, edit your Special:Mypage/wowwiki.js and add this code:
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src=""></script>');
And you will see tooltips on calls to {{loot}}. Beware that once you move the cursor over, there will be a small wait time before the tooltip shows up. After checking it out for a while, you can decide for yourself whether or not you like it. Schmidt 14:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Watch out for "</script>" inside scripts -- if you don't break it up, most some browsers will try to terminate the script there. If you break up the tag as "</scr"+"ipt>", though, it works fine. // DarkRyder / Gossipgossipicon / Trainergossipicon // 20:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
wowwiki.js is included as a reference too, so the HTML parser shouldn't touch it; therefore </script> is ok. --Pcj (TC) 21:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
References aren't proof against that problem. For example, I'm using FF and when it encounters the string "</script>" inside an externally-referenced script, it terminates the script, dumps the remainder as text to the web page, and generates an "unterminated string" error, exactly the same as if the script were in-line. Strange, but true. Smiley // DarkRyder / Gossipgossipicon / Trainergossipicon // 23:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm using the exact same browser and not getting that problem. Anyway, whatever works for you. --Pcj (TC) 23:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I like it! Works great here... running FF TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 02:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Testing out in IE7 and the tooltips are working great! :-D Tyka 07:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Tyka: You may notice that sometimes the tooltips don't display in the right place in IE7. If you notice it and can figure out any commonality or reason behind it, please let me know. Thanks. --Pcj (TC) 04:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

The Revolution will not be outlined as a bullet list

Does anyone else here feel that Microsoft Powerpoint will be the downfall of human civilization? I mean no offense to any editor in particular, and I don't want to single out specific articles, and I realize that this is a senseless nitpick and others will disagree. But, I've always felt that the English language is a beautiful and unique snowflake. So, when I read bullet lists of sentence fragments, it wounds my inner child. In general, I'm wondering if anyone else has felt this way, and is it worthwhile to expand and draw more attention to WoWWiki's manual of style. Thoughts? Flames? --Piumosso-Uldum 00:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What lists are you referring to? I like angle brackets myself.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, it's just a general style thing. I was trying to avoid putting a specific article on the spot, so I'll take a good example and bastardize it. Consider if the article on Illidan Stormrage began like this:
Illidan Stormrage:
...instead of what is actually there...
Illidan Stormrage, known as the Betrayer, is the current the Lord of Outland, ruling from the Black Temple.
Which style is better? --Piumosso-Uldum 00:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The latter, by miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles :) Kirkburn talk contr 00:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Your inner child is a whiner, can a smack him upside the head a few times? I will agree that there's some really nasty crap that goes up on the wiki (tables that use <br> for aligning rows anyone?)... but in my view the first priority of the wiki is to make accurate information available to everyone. Making said info pretty and grammarly correctish is lower priority. Not that that's an excuse to not be using the good englishes if you already know its. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 02:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, my other idea was to enforce iambic pentameter for all articles, but I'm keeping that on hold. That would be redic... err RIDICulous. --Piumosso-Uldum 05:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Iambic pentameter for the win!
Unfortunately it will soon become
too repetitious than we all can stand.
So, I suggest some rhyme and, just for kicks,
some four line stanzas alternating rhythm.
So, after pentameter switch to tri.
--DuTempete talk|contr 18:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I think I have a new hero --Ilublawn 19:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Back on topic... Although painful to realize, WoWWiki is not a literature wiki and some people don't want to ply the antediluvian courses of glittering prose to find information about a subject. Hence, bullet items. My counter argument... would you rather see a Template:Tlink for corruption in this form:
A warlock might consider the Corruption (spell) most apropos rather than the clumsy weapon Corruption (sword), when engaging in the dark path that leads to the Quest:Corruption which ironically would only make sense if said warlock was also a blacksmith.
Although it may read nicely, lingering on a disambig isn't really efficient or necessary. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:09 AM PDT 23 Aug 2007
Art is hardly antediluvian. That said, the disambiguation page would not be doing its job very well if it was worded like your example there. Indeed, you wouldn't want a simple page looking like that, or be so wordy. The example of Illidan is proper. The prose version is not too wordy or confusing in the least. The bulleted version is simply, awkward and clunky and less useful. I think. Maybe I can't put my finger on it. Schmidt 13:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Druid Abilities, not broken out by level.

OK. This page appears to not follow the conventions used for other classes. All other classes break it down by level in order. Druid abilities are simply listed with how many ranks they have, giving no indication WHEN they become available.

Any problem with changing it to match other ability pages?

Oh, how do we find all tables?

--SharlinTalk / Did 10:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

See WW:BOLD. Making pages uniform is always welcome (especially as long as you keep all the content). I don't know what you're looking for in "find all tables". --Pcj (TC) 13:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I guess what I am looking for is a simpler way to make nice looking tables than all of the steps we have to go through now. Are there programs to convert word documents into WIKI commands? Perhaps HTLM to WIKI that we can use at this site. SharlinTalk / Did 16:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
MS Word generates nasty, bloated HTML, so please don't use that. Making tables in WoWWiki isn't that hard. I can give a quick tutorial here:
  • {| is that same as <table>
    • {| cellspacing="3px" style="border:1px solid #333333;" is the same as <table cellspacing="3px" style="border:1px solid #333333;>
  • |- is the same as <tr>
    • |- bgcolor="#666666" is the same as <tr bgcolor="#666666">
  • || is the same as <td>
    • | align="center" colspan="2" | is the same as <td align="center" colspan="2">
  • |} is that same as </table>
With this basic knowledge you can make pretty fancy tables.
So in example:
{|border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"
|align="center" width="60px"|'''Status'''
|align="center" width="80px"|'''[[Realm|<font color="white">Server</font>]]'''
|align="center" width="60px"|'''[[Faction|<font color="white">Faction</font>]]'''
|align="left" width="80px"|'''Name'''
|align="center" width="40px"|'''Gender'''
|align="center" width="80px"|'''[[Race|<font color="white">Race</font>]]'''
|align="center" width="70px"|'''[[Class|<font color="white">Class</font>]]'''
|align="center" width="40px"|'''[[Level|<font color="white">Level</font>]]'''
|-bgcolor="#040418" valign="top"
|align="center"|[[Server:Dalaran US|Dalaran US]]
|align="left"|[ Gnomity]
Status Server Faction Name Gender Race Class Level
active Dalaran US <imagelink>Alliance_15.gif|Alliance</imagelink> Gnomity M Gnome
Granted, if you don't want create a table from scratch you might want to just hunt down someone else's table and copy/edit it. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:57 PM PDT 23 Aug 2007

Gems vs Minerals

Off updating engineered items, I got side tracked by the Talasite page. It seems that when the decision was made to shift Template:Gems to Template:Minerals, few of the links were updated. The old template was a sidebar, and so at the top of the page. There is now a new Gems template, which IMO has useful information, but is much better sitting at the bottom of the page. Both templates have some value, different information, but some overlap. Opinions on whether to:

Please note that many minerals (Jade, for instance) that are not Gem stones need to have their links updated. I may get around to it, but... --Eirik Ratcatcher 17:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay to have both. The Template:Tlink template is misleading as it only lists Bc icon gems. The Template:Tlink sidebar is getting kind of huge. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:07 PM PDT 3 Aug 2007
I would suspect that the gems template is to show what items can be inserted into sockets. Maybe it should be called "Socket Gems" or some such, but for simplicity keep it as template:gems. But also, there are pearls (I think) that can be inserted into sockets, and enchanting-crafted items also. I don't know how you would want to finagle that. I'll give it a shot right now, and I'll consider my upcoming change revertible if anyone wants it back the way it was. Schmidt 05:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Pearls are considered gemstones in the real world, why would it be any different in WoW? I think both templates are fine and shold be used in context (BC minerals will get both templates, pre-BC ones will get {{minerals}} only) Perhaps minerals need some of that auto-collapse majick? Only show the relevant section? TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 05:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Doable, with Wikipedia:NavFrame. If you need to see it in action, have a look at Template:Mage. With NavFrame, it is also possible to force it to un-collapse in the specific section, which isn't done at {{Mage}}. --User:Sky2042/Sig 05:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so maybe I misunderstood. Based on what template:gems always was, it would be obvious to me that it's specifically for those gems that are to be cut or those that are ready as is to go into a socket. Not stuff like Mana Emerald (which is also something of a "gem") or Moss Agate which is only a reagent, not a gem to be cut and socketed. It simply doesn't make sense to fit older gems in such a template which from inception was specifically for socket gems. imo, nothing found in should be in such a list. On the other hand, the BC gems should be included with the older ones (perhaps) because many of them if not all are used as reagents in crafted items.[2] Schmidt 06:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
My only beef with this issue is that the profession is called Jewelcrafting and not gemcrafting. It would be easier if we could distinguish cuttable gems as "jewels" like it seemed to be when this whole idea started. Calling a Moss Agate "only a reagent" is unnecessarily confusing because all but the most alien items in WoW are generally analogous to real world items. Imagine how your fiancee would feel if you got her an engagement ring with big reagent or reagent necklace. This is the only reason why it would be nice to have the Template:Tlink template be renamed to something a bit more specific. Keeping it gems is mostly for the lazy. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:49 PM PDT 24 Aug 2007
In the auction house, all what you call gems or jewels are listed as Gems. In a parallel vein, ammo bags that carry bullets not arrows are also grouped up under Quiver. Non-weapon offhand items fall under Armor. I'm not one to look for the reagent-only gems (rarely to never need them), but they are listed (in wowhead) as simple gems. I'm not positive, but my best guess would be that they appear in Trade Goods at the auctioneer. In any case, still, consider the scope of template:gems, and that of template:minerals. And there is no reference in WoW itself to them being "jewels" specifically other than the fact that they're cut by Jewelcrafters. Then again, ores are smelted by miners. Go figure. Incidentally, you wouldn't give your fiancee a "gem ring" or "jewel ring" either, for your engagement. Schmidt 08:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Uh, what if he doesn't like diamonds? Even then, diamonds are another gemstone in the end. When I worked in Jewelry we had distinct display cases... "Bridal Diamonds", "Fashion Diamonds" (everything not bridal/wedding bands that had diamonds), "Fine gemstones", "Cubic Zirconia", "10KT Gold", "14KT Gold", and "Sterling Silver". So yes, for someone who doesn't like diamonds, like my husband, one WOULD buy them a gemstone ring, unless they went for a stoneless ring like the gold and silver. I'm somewhat partial to rubies, garnets and deep green emeralds (created obviously, real deep green ones are hideously expensive).
The whole point here was to make a distinction between cut items that fit in sockets and raw crafting materials. WoW never makes reference to "Jewels", but the word has the same meaning as "Gemstone"... so it didn't make much sense fo "Gem " to be raw and "jewel" to be processed... as was the previous nomenclature here on the wiki. Yes, "Mineral" vs "gem" can be debated as well, but it makes more sense than "Gem" vs "Jewel" did. Personally I like "Simple gem", it's much less confusing, and it is the naming Blizzy uses on the AH. And for those that asked, "Simple" gems are listed under the "Gem" category, not the "Trade Goods" one.
Oh yea, also, I hate the word "Jewelcrafters"... the real-world analogue is "Jeweler" or "Gem Cutter" (which are two distinctly different things) :P TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 09:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

And back to the left. I just updated {{gems}} to the navbox design. Seems fair that it should be moved to, say, {{socketgems}}, and both templates used when appropriate. Kirkburn talk contr 10:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:Tlink et al.

So, Wrath of the Lich King is here, and no-doubt we're gonna get a great many pages appearing in the next few days. So i threw together a quick mini-logo to put into templates, Any Opinions?


From User:Kaso/Wotlk

There was some discussion on IRC about how the Template:Tlink template is over/miss used, and perhaps because of that we do not need a Template:Tlink nor infact a Template:Tlink. Anyone wish to discuss that? I have different sizes if the minilogo, if smaller/larger is wanted.

--Kaso 21:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it's normally abbreviated to Wrath. I just made this one from yours, I think this might be better. IconSmall Dwarf MaleKanaru discussion 01:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Blood ElvesBc icon
Death KnightsWrath-Logo-Small
Yes thats pretty nice actually i was worried mine was a little too large, the Wrath one does seem to better sized. I wonder if anyone else has opinions on this? --Kaso 20:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Just like "the burning crusade" is cut down to BC.
i think "wrath of the lich king" might just be cut down to WK, or WLK
i'm not sure the big banners are needed, though for continents it'll definitely be a good idea.  - CJ talk / cont  15:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Looks like I used a different image than Wotlk-mini for Template:Tlink Wrath-Logo-Small. Nothing personal, but I like the "Wrath" one, since it is a bit sharper as far as readability and a bit smaller. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:34 PM PDT 6 Aug 2007
Two weeks later... I like "Wrath" better myself. It's sharper, a tad smaller, and more logical than "WotLK". With Burning Crusade "BC worked well, it was easy to say, but you try saying, or typing "WotLK".... it just doesn't roll off the tongue... TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 05:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Preview of new default skin options!

Check out the preview page for ideas on what the new default skin may become, and leave your feedback on the talk page!

--Rustak 23:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

The yellow is too bright IMO. Can you tweak it to match a bit closer to the bottom of the W logo? TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 09:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
What he said, absolutely. Maybe even some "used" look like the logo itself. Apart from that I think it's fine, but why does it have to be changed at all?  Flotsam (talk con 16:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
I guess the thought here is that some of the gadgets and features of the new design will encourage editing, and returning readership? As far as I can tell, it's not going to make things any easier on those of us who are already editing, but it sure is more Wikia-fied. --DuTempete talk|contr 17:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Respond on WoWWiki talk:Default Skin Preview, please! Thanks :) Kirkburn talk contr 21:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh god no,, don't add half a page of that wikia stuff, we complained before the move that that was 1 thing nobody wanted to see. We like the colors the way they are :P and huge panels really distract from the normal content.  - CJ talk / cont  07:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Owie my eyes! What's wrong with the nice gentle grey background? Having them available as possible choices, ok, but eye-meltingly loud colors bad. --Azaram 04:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

PNG problem

Ever since the main page redesign, .png files will not display for me! IconSmall Orc Male1336 02:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Are you using Internet Explorer? --Pcj (TC) 02:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
There was javascript implemented a while ago to help make png's transparent in IE6, that should be the only thing affecting png, not the main page redesign. --GRYPHONtc 14:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I've been away. Yes, I am using IE6. Is there something I need to en-/dis-able? IconSmall Orc Male1336 23:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean. *All* PNGs won't display? Kirkburn talk contr 23:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, let me be more specific. As a page loads (no the image, the whole page) I can see the image. But as soon as it finishes loading, all the images become transparent. I can click on them still, but they arent there. It's not a broken image either. If I click the image, and it takes me to the Image: page, it is STILL transparent. IconSmall Orc Male1336 02:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I am having exactly the same problem as is stated above by Lessthan 1337 02:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC). This is on a system with Win XP and IE6. Any help would be appreciated. --Cuznvini 23:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Some questions: Is this only on the main page? Is this only .png images? do you have javascript enabled or disabled on IE? Please can you give a link to an image that is affected. Thanks -- sannse@fandom (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
From what I can see, all PNG images using transparent colors disappear immediately after the page finishes loading. Specific examples include the WoWWiki logo, Blinky the Beholder, and the "Wiki Spotlight" icon, regardless of what spotlight is displayed. The images both look fine and remain on the page in Opera, but in Internet Explorer 6.0 (and presumably below), the images disappear after the page finishes loading and the image for Blinky is not transparent at all. (In fact, before it disappears, it comes up as Blinky on a light grey-colored background.) ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 13:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I can see the problem on IE6. I tried to disable javascript, but still saw the problem (possibly I didn't get all controls for that, I'm not familiar with IE). Kirkburn, maybe you could comment out the section of js relating to image transparencies and see if that's the problem? From what I see this is affecting all png files on all pages. -- sannse@fandom (talk) 11:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if this has anything to do with this problem, but every page on WoWWiki that I display has a error message in IE6:
Line: 52
Char: 1
Error: 'wgBreakFrames' is undefined
Code: 0
Cuznvini 05:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
That's to do with the upgrade, and should go away once monobook is up to date. It took me far longer than it should have, but it's definitely the fix on transparencies in the local js file. I've removed this from common.js now, thinking it's better to see ugly backgrounds rather than no image at all! But one of the admins here can revert me if you feel different of course :) -- sannse@fandom (talk) 12:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I've got good news and I've got bad news...
The Good News: The graphics aren't hiding on me anymore!
The Bad News: Blinky still doesn't have a transparent background in Internet Explorer 6. XD
Just figured you might wanna know!  :3 ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 11:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I'm afraid I don't know how to fix that, or even if it's possible to do so smoothly... I just removed the fix that didn't work :-/ I hate to give this as advice, but can you upgrade or switch browser? IE6 just isn't designed to see transparencies in .png -- sannse@fandom (talk) 07:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, me again. All .pngs work for me now and I didn't do anything. Thanks for your help and good luck to all others who still have problems. IconSmall Orc Male1336 23:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
To Sannse -- I'm gonna put this as politely as I can. *inhale noise* But transparent PNGs really aren't my thing anyway, so don't worry too much about it. I sure won't if I ever actually have something to upload in PNG format that has a solid background! (Yes, I have a program that can make it transparent. Don't worry.)  ;3 ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 23:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, this kind of explains the stuff I'd been seeing. Like on the Rare Pet page, all the pictures have a white border around them in IE6. Work fine in Firefox, haven't tried any other browsers. This is a work computer, so I can't change browsers on it. Blinky and Deathwing both have blank white backgrounds around them on the main page. 'Change browsers' really isn't a good answer to the problem, as IE6 is still the standard (as much as I hate it...) --Azaram 05:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Azaram, Blink shouldn't be having that issue, but Deathwing was actually uploaded with a white background (It's out of MG, I believe). --User:Sky2042/Sig 05:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


The following is an article taken from the Main Page:

Pxp logo upperleft

PLAYXPERT is a next-generation in-game community management toolset developed for PC-based and MMO games. Built around a completely unique in-game overlay technology, PLAYXPERT brings the tools that gamers use into the games they play.

In conjunction with Wikia, PLAYXPERT is proud to announce the WoWWiki Widget - an in-game widget allowing users to access, read, and contribute to the most popular wiki about World of Warcraft. Users can search, read, and submit new content into WoWWiki without leaving the game.

Visit for more details!

Related news stories - profy - Mashable - - Gaming Today

From some background - PLAYXPERT recently approached Wikia with news of their overlay technology to allow people to browse WoWWiki whilst staying in-game. We think it's cool, and want to let you know about it. PLAYXPERT are also planning on creating similar widgets for other Wikia wikis, but you can test out the beta client and WoWWiki widget right now by signing up on their site! (edit: Windows only, it seems) Kirkburn talk contr 20:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

That's the best thing ever! I an installing this bugger right now! ...or as soon as I get it, anyways. XD I mean, alt-tabbing out wasn't that much of a hassle, but having it right there in-game is just fabulous, considering I've yet to find a "Notepad" AddOn for World of Warcraft. ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 21:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
There used to be one called, oddly enough, 'Notepad', but it was munged in one of the patches quite a while ago. Haven't seen a good one in quite a while. One problem with this, which is a Wowwiki problem rather than a problem with Playxpert, is that a lot of the coordinates and things have either been taken out or have never been put in many of the quests that one may want to look up, leaving basically just the quest text as already listed in the game. For the last couple of weeks, all the quests I've wanted to look up, to get useful information I've had to go to Wowhead. --Azaram 10:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Is this a widget (a mini-app on Mac OS X) or a gadget (a mini-app on Windows Vista)? It looks like a gadget (no mention of Mac, at least). From the download of the Beta, this appears to be a Windows-only solution. I couldn't find any system requirements on their site. Please list if such things are Windows-only please. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:02 PM PDT 17 Aug 2007
My apologies, I haven't been able to test it out myself yet - I'm on Linux atm :D ... as for being called a widget, I think that's just a general term being used for this program. In other news, another article mentioning this here - [4] Kirkburn talk contr 00:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Going to look through the other guides but having bad luck with this so far. Basically it just lagged my machine to a near standstill. --BlameMe Mucke talkTo 00:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Is this available also to Windows XP or just Vista? I guess you have to register with them to use their product. I probably will sometime soon, if it works with XP. Schmidt 00:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

New boilerplate: pet ability

I was looking at warlock pet abilities (of course), and noticed the horrid lack of a standard format. I searched, and to my dismay, found no boilerplate! *gasp* So, what should a warlock do, but create her own?

Check out User:DuTempete/sandbox2, and please make any comments or suggestions you would like. I ripped the infobox template from ALiEN's Template:Infobox ability, and almost all of the content from Help:Ability articles, then adjusted for pet specific content. --DuTempete talk|contr 05:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

This would be awesome. For both hunter as well as warlock pets, I assume? In the infobox, as far as I know, all warlock pet abilities use mana, and hunter pet abilities use focus. Maybe also a place to indicate whether it's an active or passive ability. (Not sure if any minion abilities are passive, but many hunter pets' are.) -- Harveydrone ( talk | work ) 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
How about I just add "Passive" as an option for cooldown? Or do any of the Hunter pets' passive abilities have cooldowns? --DuTempete talk|contr 01:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I've completed a few warlock pet articles with this format. Check out Blood Pact, or Consume Shadows for examples. --DuTempete talk|contr 01:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

New to Making Wikis

I am new to making Wikis. I tried to read all the advice they give, but a lot doesn't make sense to someone who is new, imo. Can someone help me make Fanfiction pages? -- Daenen 01:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

To start your own fanfiction, type name) into your browser, hit the edit button, and you're off!. Anything else you'd like to know? --User:Sky2042/Sig 01:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, how do I do things like paragraphs, pictures, lines, titles, etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daenen (talkcontr).

Paragraphs: just hit a double enter, like the forums. Pictures require that you upload the picture and then use the format [[Image:(imagename).(filetype)|thumb|(decription)]]. Lines? Titles are easy. Just use == (heading name) == for one, and then for sub sections use three equals or more. for another new section, use 2 equals on each side again. Anything else? --User:Sky2042/Sig 01:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daenen (talkcontr).

Click the link silly. --User:Sky2042/Sig 01:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

How do you make a link? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daenen (talkcontr).

Use [[(linked item)]]. And please, sign your posts with '~~~~' please. --User:Sky2042/Sig 01:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Its a bit confusing. I will try, and come back --((User:Daenen)) How do I do the little mini screen on the right side that says name, race, gender, picture, etc? --Daenen

Try copy and pasting, and then changing the ones you want changed. :) --User:Sky2042/Sig 01:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

How do you Bold/Underline and do I have to mark something as fanfiction, and how? -- Daenen

If you want to mark as fanfic (which you have to, indeed), place {{fanfic}} at the top of your page. Bolding requires either using <b> and </b>, or putting ''' around the relevant items. Underlining is <u> and </u>. --User:Sky2042/Sig 02:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Now I am having a problem. (( How do I fix it? Daenen 02:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)Daenen

I fixed it, now you need an image. :) --User:Sky2042/Sig 02:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
This may be bad advice but I'm gonna give it anyway. I'm new to all this stuff too. What I have done is looked at other peoples work and then copied the code I liked. Then from there I added or took away based on what I saw on even more people's pages. From there I had figured out enough to change them in ways that were my own (not that no one else has done it, just that I didn't see it before I did it). I think as long as you aren't stealing other people's content and merely formatting you are ok. Also I have found its best to search for the guides as to naming pages and categorizing pages before you make them. This will help you avoid needing to rename or delete pages. --BlameMe Mucke talkTo 07:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Looking at existing stuff is VERY GOOD ADVICE. The fastest way I've found to leran how to do things is look at something that already works. Also, you're asking very basic editing questions here... try reading that Editing help link right net the submit buttons when you edit. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 09:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Category:Fan fiction holds the kind of articles you would want to be looking at, and what you seem to want to do. There's lots of it, so have fun! Smiley --DuTempete talk|contr 11:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Are tables of Content Automatic? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daenen (talkcontr).

Yes, the ToCs are automatic, and will show when you have 3 or more sub-headings. Ways to manipulate the ToC are found at Help:Editing. --DuTempete talk|contr 14:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Is this Daenen page for a Warcraft RPG character? I wonder if we should make a template for RPG player characters (maybe Template:Tlink or something), like Template:Tlink for WoW player characters? --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12 PM PDT 24 Aug 2007

Am I squatting?

I was reading up on Wikisquatting and I honestly want to make sure what I am doing with my character page doesn't qualify. I am leaning towards no but I want to make sure before I go further, I don't want to waste my time. So, here is my main character page Mucke, please have a look and tell me what you think, either here or on the discussion page is fine by me. -- BlameMe Mucke talkTo 22:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The idea of this page is so people don't have to go to individual users to ask things :) Kirkburn talk contr 18:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikisquatting means hijacking a wiki (or part of it) for another purpose. While the average WoWWikian may not have much interest in your character over anyone else's, it is neither of no use nor is it unrelated to WoW. You even follow the character article policy almost to the letter. I would caution you, though, that having your character in a public namespace rather than under your user page implicitly invites others to contribute. (As I've just done, so that it does follow policy to the letter. Smiley) // DarkRyder / Gossipgossipicon / Trainergossipicon // 18:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses, and the help in making my page more up-to-code. I've been having a lot of fun playing with the Wiki and wanted to make sure I hadn't gone too far. Well, I'll keep playing and if you ever notice anything questionable just holler at me or fix it or whatever. --BlameMe Mucke talkTo 06:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I need HELP

Can anybody tell me what i do if i forgot my password ?do i make another account ?(like this one)or contact someone to say my account name and e-mail?pls help me (Andy91 23:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC))

You should be able to email yourself the password via the button on the login screen (it will be sent to whichever email account you chose for the old account). Kirkburn talk contr 00:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Character pages

can someone help me make a page for my char, i read the page on how to create one but i dont understand what adress bar to put the imformation in -- Dunnsworth 06:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Speedy delete

PLEASE people, give reasons why you are marking an article as speedydelete. Some are vague and seem to be only personal opinion as to why they are being deleted and not by policy or by obvious article error. --GRYPHONtc 15:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, please don't wipe articles when adding delete tags! Kirkburn talk contr 21:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Corrupted Blood Article

Moved from WoWWiki talk:Main Page Dev.

I'm a little curious, in regards to the link about the Corrupted Blood epidemic story from the BBC - it happened almost two years ago, why did it take this long for the BBC to pick up this story? For that matter, why does this story look like a re-hash of what other articles have said since they fixed it? (Funny enough, I got the game about two weeks before the epidemic started...) This is not new news (well, it might be to anyone who got WoW after September-October of 2005, but still...) --Joshmaul 04:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

If you visit Corrupted_Blood#External_links, you will notice there are 2 stories from the BBC. The first was written 2 years ago around the time of the event, whereas the second (the one you appear to be referring to) was written recently. So, the BBC did not take long, you just only read the recent article which appears to talk about how Corrupted Blood may give clues to modeling the spread of diseases via simulation.
The real question is why any serious medical researcher would use the Corrupted Blood phenomenon as any kind of guide for disease spread modeling. I was there and people were intentionally trying to spread the disease just to see people die. While one's view of humanity may be dim, I doubt that kind of thing would happen in the RL.--Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:50 PM PDT 23 Aug 2007
There's another article floating out there in the tubes about the mentalities, and how that is exactly what the model would represent. Some would choose to try and aid, some would flee the death zone, and some would spread it, among others. --User:Sky2042/Sig 06:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The only way WoW could be used to model the realistic spread of disease is if the death cost was much higher, not just a corpse run and 10% durability. --Drain talk con 22:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC) <-- anyone know why my sig does this on indents?

wiki template q

I'd like to have the paremeters "red=1", "yellow=2" result in showing 1 or 2 sockets of that color.. i could make a red1, red2, red3 parameter but that seems an ugly way of doing it. Surely it'd be possible to have a template show 1, 2 or 3 sockets with 1 statement? discussed at Talk:BC_Priest_DPS_Equipment  - CJ talk / cont  08:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Easier if a LoopFunctions extension were installed, you'd have to hard code it for right now. --Pcj (TC) 16:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Feared as much. Isn't it possible to do a if/else though?
e.g. if red=1 display a red socket. else if red=2 display 2 red sockets. else if red=3 display 3 red sockets.
And the same for the other colors.  - CJ talk / cont  06:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't a {{#switch}} work for these purposes? --User:Sky2042/Sig 06:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Shalll need to experiment with that . - CJ talk / cont  14:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Seems to work nicely  - CJ talk / cont  09:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Quest Disambig pages

Currently User:Laurlybot makes quest dismbig pages that look like this Quest:Diplomatic_Measures basically very simple and not much more info then the quest name and level. There have been a few people that have commented that maybe adding some more info would help people find the quests they are looking for. I have come up with this User:Laurly/Sandbox1 now when i showed some others this idea they said it was to much info. What I'm looking for is a consensus of opinion.

Do we need more info on quest disambig pages?
If Yes. How much more info do we need on quest dismabig pages?

Having the bot redo all the quest dismabig pages isn't a problem its just a question of how we want them to look the bot could probably recreate them all in a few hours. Laurly 13:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Horde 15 [20] Creature of the Void (Orgrimmar) w/in the disambig template is perfect. Any more is a waste, any less is unhelpful. Having the parenthetical disamig is essential,though, as otherwise you have to mouse over the links to figure out which one to choose. That is, at best, a pain in the ass.
If you'll look at Quest:Tome of the Cabal, you'll also see what I've done to a disambig that had sequential quests in it.--DuTempete talk|contr 13:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
As usual.. got a bunch of opinions, most not held in common with the rest of the world. Take them for what they're worth :).
  1. Regardless of how they're organized, I'm against having a bunch of links that all look identical to each other until you mouse over them. (/agree DuTempete). If the links on the disambiguation page have the additional number, or zone, or faction, or whatever, it would be useful.
  2. Three or more, a disambig page is useful (to me) (Quest:Seeking_Strahad).
  3. If they're similar (like Gnome Engineering), something like the preface summary would be kind to the reader. This is probably not easily botted. Ah, well. There's still the old fashioned method...
  4. If not similar (like The Missing Diplomat, Tome of the Cabal), a summary doesn't make sense, but a quest chain link may. ... It does for these examples, but there are probably examples that are not chains.
  5. The first quest can also often serve as a disambig page for the chain. The Missing DiplomatThe Defias Brotherhood quest chain The user is going to type in the name of the quest, after all, not 'The Missing Diplomat (2)' or like that. And one (smaller) function of the Quest Chain page is disambiguation. This avoids creating names like "your ambiguous quest (1)" to provide space for a "your ambiguous quest" disambiguation page.
    • edit: haven't filled out The Missing Diplomat yet... bad example. --Eirik Ratcatcher 23:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
    • ... I'd even be tempted to redirect Quest:Tome of the Cabal to a quest chain page, and sort out both chains there. (The 'things you do' are the same, so a unified quest chain page would make sense to me. And the 'summary' section of the quest chain page could hold both trees of quests, providing the necessary disambiguation.)
  6. If there's 1 horde, 1 alliance quest of the same name, and with nearly identical text etc, users are better off if there's only one page, that illustrates both quests. What Are These Things? Otherwise, you're creating 3 pages (disambig, horde, alliance), and any information particular to completing the quest has to go in at least 2 places, which is evil for updating. Easier to search for, what's not to like? This is almost certainly the exception, though, and I can't imagine it'd be an easy option for a bot to choose correctly.
As I said, just my opinions. Everybody has one. :) --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, one of the other things I mentioned to Laurly is that I don't think a disambiguation page is necessary for just two quests. If there are only two, you can easily redirect straight to the only other possible option. --DuTempete talk|contr 02:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Plenty of reasons for not having disambig pages ... I listed a few myself. Would want to see how searches for the quest come out, first, before doing away with the disambig page for "just 2". --Eirik Ratcatcher 23:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm of the (shared?) opinion that a disambig isn't needed if there's only two pages which deal with the relevant item, regardless of location (quest:, item, etc). My 2Copper. --User:Sky2042/Sig 06:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
To be clear, you mean a separate disambig page, not in-page disambiguation, yes? ;) --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah... yeah. Yeah? --User:Sky2042/Sig 18:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I believe Sky is talking about external disambigs being a waste for quest names than only have two versions.
Also, I don't agree with Eirik, when he says it's friendlier to readers to put two similarly named quests on the same page. I think it would make the page significantly harder to read, especially if the quests were very different from each other. Even if he was only talking about quests that are nearly identical, it would confuse the article. How many of those are there, anyway? The bot wouldn't even be able to differentiate, and the whole reason we have the bot is for saving people-energy.
Screw the bot? Well, I think it's in the community's best interest to keep the bots going. They have generated an unbelievable amount of new information on this wiki, helping us to be quickly catching up to the level of factual information one finds in the databases. It is definitely not worth sacrificing that.
--DuTempete talk|contr 03:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Bots will never be perfect they will always need humans to come in and tweak the data. Maybe its best to just consider the bot a starting point its easy to move a page to a new name once the bot has generated it. The way the bot creates distinct quest names needs to remain the way it is for the foreseeable future. If i was to change it now after the bot has created 2k+ pages would only cause problems if someone tryed to resubmit one that was already generated under the previous distinct name generation. So i suggest you merely move the page to a better name if you feel it should be there instead of where the bot put it. I will fix it so that when it creates the disambig pages it displays the full quest name to make it easer to figure out which quest you are after possibly also add zone info. Fixing it to put a disambig line in a page if theres only 2 with the same name will take a bit more work, im going to have to put that on hold until after the bot has generated the NPC pages. I am also concerned that this and might just cause problems in the future as more quests are added to wow. I like havening the disambig pages but would probably add a bit more info to them to make it easer to find the quest you are looking for. Laurly 13:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
For myself, I've assumed that neither you nor the bot have any ego invested in bot generated pages (for the most part, anyway), so have felt free to alter, rename, or make obsolete bot generated pages. Please do kick me where you feel I err... --Eirik Ratcatcher 17:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure understand what you mean by the last statement. Maybe its just how i am or maybe its because i'm a woman but i have no ego associated with the bot. All i want is for her to be able to help. If someone has a better idea of how to do something im more then happy to recode the bot to suit. I created her and continue to work on her only to help the wiki what she does is just create a large number of pages so that we don't have to. I have removed the code to create the disamb pages so she wont create them anymore. She is still going to continue to create district names as before but i have added a new irc command.

!questpage [id|name]
!questpage [8105|The Battle for Arathi Basin! (Alliance, 55)]

This will save quest id 8105 to Quest:The Battle for Arathi Basin! (Alliance, 55). This command also works with the quest command but will place it in the sandbox.

This way you can now supply the distinct name you wish. Laurly 10:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


I've encountered a bunch of "equipment" pages, BC_Priest_DPS_Equipment, BC healing equipment (cloth), Healing_equipment, BC_Hunter_Equipment, Tanking equipment (Druid), Tanking equipment (Paladin), Damage shield, Defense equipment, Resistance equipment, Rogue equipment, and undoubtly a bunch more. Most of them are added into Category:Equipment. But that's not very "browse friendly".

Most pages look completely different from each other, use different templates or simply none at all. Some are pretty hard to find.

Initially i figured BC_Priest_DPS_Equipment could be improved with templates and then moved to BC_Cloth_DPS_Equipment or such, but why stop there?

Now, my idea is that we could probably rebuild this from the root up, and begin filling from there from a base template. In the end it'd be better organised, easier to find, and contain more information, easy to access. the usual wiki stuff.

Problem being, it's a huge undertaking. I'm sure there would be a person or 2 saying "its a wiki - go and start and if we dont like it we'll just revert it". This project is sort of relevant to a "lot" of pages, and i for one don't think simply starting on this is the way to go. Perhaps it's best to stuff this into Talk:Equipment and have a more focused discussion about this.

the way it could be done

 - CJ talk / cont  09:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


Something like that either way. And ofcourse the bottom question, once the templates are set up, how much could a bot fill into the tables?  - CJ talk / cont  08:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

In my pokings at the hunter one, I'm finding it's a bitch to get all the stats in. If I could just put in the basic item list, and a bot come along and fill in all the stats and the source, I'd be ever so happy. That would make it super easy to maintain a list (we just add the items, the bot auto-fills each on a daily or whatever basis), and the style could be kept consistant across them all.
*edit* Also, I really don't like the subpage design here, it looks ugly. A nice consistant naming pattern "BC <whatever> equipment" or maybe "<Whatever> equipment guide" would be better. I like to look at the pages as a guide to the equipment progression, and we have to take into account that come Wrath all new pages will be made. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 09:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Hierarchical inside the pages they'd still need splitting according to such a manner though, regardless of the actual page name. agree?  - CJ talk / cont  11:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to add that some casters prefer spelldamage over crit, and others prefer crit, based on class. Perhaps there should be two separate pages for spell damage and spell crit. Perhaps a similar situation with melee, including hit rating, crit rating, and attack power. Even if you don't have separate pages, separate tables would be helpful. Probably, though, all defense gear would go on one page, but again have separate tables for straight defense, parry, block rating, block value, and dodge. Just a few thoughts, in case some of you hadn't considered the differences. Schmidt 18:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
See now, that's where I think everything "desirable" should just be grouped up by iLevel, list out all the relevant stats, and let the player pick. It's hard enough maintaining one page... but double the tables? Screw that. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 19:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't remember where I saw it in Wikipedia, but they had a table (wikipedia:Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients is one such) that would allow sorting based on which header you chose. Perhaps we can do the same here, with obvious results. But yeah, it seems to boil down to searching in such a mannner: spell damage > 120 and spell hit rating > 0 for pally. Then again, the resultant table doesn't allow sorting by the various stats. (Obviously the example leaves only a small number of items, easily compared, but other searches would yield more daunting results such as a search with the same criteria but for mage. Schmidt 20:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Depends what a bot can do really. i'm not too knowledgeable about that bit. i'd say we should be able to select a main stat to sort the tables by.. but it'd have to be a highlyl specialized bot. you can add dmg, crit, hit into the table np. but there'll always be a single stat to sort by.  - CJ talk / cont  09:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Looks very interesting "class="wikitable sortable", doesn't immediately work out of the box it seems, but its got potential.
edit: probably doesnt work with template rows, rather than actual fixed tables. Going to be messy to implement extensive tables then.  - CJ talk / cont  07:14, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

BC Cloth DPS Equipment. First table converted, and 1 on talkpage. looks quite nice imo, compared to the older version :)  - CJ talk / cont  13:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Updated example for bigger project template  - CJ talk / cont  09:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm gonna tweak your template a bit. --User:Sky2042/Sig 18:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Which one?  - CJ talk / cont  09:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Warhammer Beta Giveaway for WowWiki editors

Wikia has gotten access to 10 Warhammer Online Beta Keys,so to give them away we've decided to do an edit challenge. The challenge starts today and ends September 4th, 2007. Go Here to get more details and sign up!

-- angies 18:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Boo hiiss, etc.. no europeans as usual.  - CJ talk / cont  11:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't exactly disagree with you there ... maybe when they launch in the EU we'll get more love from EAMythic :) Kirkburn talk contr 11:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Is the 50 edit thing for edits just on the Warhammer wiki or do edits on wowwiki count? - ClydeJr - talk - contrib 16:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


As you may have noticed I have been spending an inordinate amount of time converting over templates and tables to darktable for two reasons:

  1. Consistency and ease of use (see Category:Navigation Templates for examples)
  2. Skin switching (I am currently browsing the site on monobook)

However, I have limited time and there's one area that is reasonably simple to fix that needs work - zone and instance pages. They all need to be converted to the Azuremyst Isle design - specifically the tables. Any help is appeciated, and please point out any other areas that need work! Kirkburn talk contr 08:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I will help out. The boilerplate you're using looks good. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7:51 AM PDT 28 Aug 2007
Do we really need a section for "Characteristics"... it seems like a table header would be fine, that info is appropriate for an opening section. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 05:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I and Jiyambi were working on Teldrassil prior to my short break. As Tekkub said, Characteristics is "eh". We thought maybe an {{infobox zone}} to replace the characteristics box wouldn't be a bad idea, to fill up the whitespace on the right hand side. Just a thought, however. --User:Sky2042/Sig 06:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I approve TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 21:21, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Atm all I'm doing is going through fixing the tables (i.e. removing all hardcoded formatting) and removing {{tocright}} (yes, it needs to be removed from a LOT of pages) ... if people want get a good template for other design points, don't wait for me :) Kirkburn talk contr 06:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Wait, what's wrong with {{tocright}}? --Pcj (TC) 18:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Inconsistent design, and can mess with the page design. Since most articles have infoboxes now, it is especially silly. Kirkburn talk contr 10:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
template:tocright was intended for rather rare usage, but just common enough to warrant a template rather than coding it that way on several different pages. It does have an ill effect on page layout, too, in too many cases. Schmidt 13:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I _HATE_ the TOCs. I force a bit of CSS in on my end that completely hides them. I find the need for one EXTREMELY rare. I would be happy if we could throw em into a on-hover thing really. Some smatt text in the top right, "TOC" or "Table of Contents", that shows up when hovered over would kick ass. The whole problem is their usefullnes is limited, and they take up so god damn much space! TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 02:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

External images

Hi All, Wikia are changing the way we deal with external images. They will be off by default, meaning an image from another site can't be embedded in pages here. We will make exceptions for agreed sites, such as those that have given specific permission for linking in this way. Images from other wikis hosted by Wikia will also be allowed. If you think there are images on this wiki that will be affected, then we can give you a list of pages to clear up. I think everyone uploads here anyway, and uploaded images are unaffected.

Please see Wikia:Help:Externally hosted images for more info on this, and more on why we feel external images need to be restricted in this way. Thanks -- sannse@fandom (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds ok, most images are uploaded here for displaying anyway.  - CJ talk / cont  15:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
There are a few here that aren't uploaded, off the top of my head of which is Sentinel spell. --User:Sky2042/Sig 16:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I replaced it with Image:Spell_Nature_Sentinal.png. - ClydeJr - talk - contrib 16:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Is Sentinal the right spelling? =/ Is it important enough to move it? Schmidt 13:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
That's how Blizzard named/misspelled it. If you go look at the icons for the Moonglow spell on Thottbot and Alla, the icon is misspelled the same way. - ClydeJr - talk - contrib 15:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
It's surprising how many of the icon names have poor spelling, sometimes really poor... but then, no-one's ever supposed to see them, so I guess they don't receive a lot of QA. ^.^ // DarkRyder / Gossipgossipicon / Trainergossipicon // 16:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
And yet they give us (mainly addon devs) a tool to extract the art... yea *noone* outside Blizzy is supposed to see those names :P TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 05:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
There's also mispelled things actually in the game, like the Viscous Hammer (presumably 'vicious', since there's no real reason for a hammer to be a thick liquid) and the Torquoise Brooch of Mumble. ( ) Someone needs to run the game through a speelchucker...--Azaram 05:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thought Bubble Icon

I seem to recall the thought bubble icon was available. In-game, this is used as a prompt for a chain of dialog. For instance, when some NPC wants to "tell you his story". I can't seem to find, it, though. Was I hallucinating? -- Eirik Ratcatcher 17:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

This? Gossipgossipicon --GRYPHONtc 18:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC), that's speech bubble. :P --Pcj (TC) 18:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
....doesn't mean it isn't what he might be talking about. --GRYPHONtc 18:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Pretty close, at least. Thinking of for pages like The_Tale_of_Neltharaku. --Eirik Ratcatcher 23:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Auto-categorizing subzones

Hey, I was hoping I could get a few people to help out with some work I've recently started on. I've been putting

<includeonly>{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Zone Name||[[Category:Zone Name subzones]]}}</includeonly>

into the subzone navigation templates, to automatically categorize the subzone correctly. However, the subzones then need to be gone through manually and have the old categories (the Category:Zone:Zone Name and Category:Subzones) removed. I've already done Category:Hillsbrad Foothills subzones and Category:Tirisfal Glades subzones, but there are plenty of other zones to be done. If you're looking for something to do, that'd be helpful. -- Mikaka 04:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I had a thought: insert [[:Category:Zone:x]] and [[:Category:Continent:y]] into the "then" statement, then we can get rid of those on the main zone page. Or, I think, just [[:Category:x]] and [[:Category:y]], as the old method is just that; old. --User:Sky2042/Sig 21:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Server ?

Whats up with the server, its Slowwwwwww as heck, and giving error cant open page errors.. a lot "Safari can’t open the page “” because it could not connect to the server “”." - CJ talk / cont  08:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Seems fine again now.  - CJ talk / cont  09:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

PC Gamer UK and the inability to spell

So, I'm sitting here with my latest PCG (a better magazine than the US version) and the image accompanying the article on WotLK is a disgrace:

  • It's a rip of the RPG map. So, wrong (e.g. Crystalsong Forest).
  • Zal'Drak
  • Aziol-Nerab
  • Gandrak
  • Uldaar

Notice a theme? They misread every u as an a and here's why: Image:Northrend.JPG. Next time they should get someone who plays WoW to do the work... (and suggest they look around the rest of the wiki whilst copying from it ;) Kirkburn talk contr 13:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and it gets better. They accompany a caption about Lake Wintergrasp with ... Daggercap Bay. Furbolg info with ... Warsong Hold. Dragonblight info with ... the Howling Fjord. 'Insane' 'Tuskar' info with ... a random shot of broken stuff on the Borean Tundra coast. Also "between the sides of the canyon hover dozens of burning airships; the intention being that when strapped together they'll form the basis of an instanced dungeon" ... never heard that before. Kirkburn talk contr 13:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
And you mock us. Hah! Schmidt 13:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Vanilla, BC, TBC, WLK, WOTLK.. etc


  • BC is generally accepted as a short form for the burning crusade. TBC is a known alternative but not used much.
  • WK, WLK, WOTLK, are options for the wrath of the lich king. WK or WLK being the more functional ones.

What is a known / well used short for pre-tbc wow however?

And, is there any point, other than for old time's sake in keeping pre-tbc specific articles ( such as healing gear or resistance gear which is obviously far inferior to tbc items) related to that time period in the wiki, if they don't serve any clear common use. ?  - CJ talk / cont  14:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

"Wrath" also. As for pre-TBC, it was generally agreed upon just to go with "WoW Classic", or some variant. And no, if the gear pages haven't been updated, then ask for a delete or update them. --User:Sky2042/Sig 21:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
WC - Wow Classic then. and i've added the "ood" (out of date) tag to some of them quite some time ago.  - CJ talk / cont  06:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
WC could be awkward, perhaps meaning Warcraft to some; specifically Warcraft I, but also others. I can't suggest a better term atm other than simply Classic. Maybe someone else could. Just a thought. Schmidt 23:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
It does mean Warcraft. heh. --User:Sky2042/Sig 19:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

village pump forums an option?

Would it in some way be possible to set up a wikiforum instead of using a single page for the village/warcraft pump?

These 2 pages flood so fast, it's hard to track any ongoing discussions, or who is replying to who. etc. a forum might be nice, if we dont have one already  - CJ talk / cont  14:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

That idea is being worked on in WW:SR. --Pcj (TC) 14:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
kinky. how far are we on javascript popups for floating item tooltips?  - CJ talk / cont  15:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Done, as far as I'm concerned. See the bottom of #CSS / JS revamp and let me know if you have any problems. --Pcj (TC) 17:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Would be nice to see that incorporated into Template:Loot for loot popups.. may be difficult though.  - CJ talk / cont  10:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Test Teamspeak online

I have made a TeamSpeak server that i invite you all to (ab)use Smiley: [teamspeak://] - Any TS bashers and VT fanbois begone, it is this or nothing at all ;). Should the test be successful (meaning my bandwidth can handle y'all) it will stay online, and i might increse the sound quality (Currently using the GSM 16.4 Kbit codec)  D ♠ T ♣ C ♦ I ♥ WP 08:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

And yes it works, come on in and talk with us Smiley  D ♠ T ♣ C ♦ I ♥ WP 12:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

resist gear

Started overhaul on Resistance_equipment.  - CJ talk / cont  08:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture captions

Do we have a policy on the comments under pictures? Most of them just label what they are of. Some like the one on the Scarlet crusade page have flavor text. What is the standing? I do not want to make this like the *shudder* Transformers wiki.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 01:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh... we don't have a policy. I'd say describe what's in the picture. If that's only one word, then go ahead and add some flavor text, I think. My 2Copper. --User:Sky2042/Sig 05:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Character Pages: Server vs User?

I'm a bit confused on the PC page policy. Should a player's character page be under Server:Servername/Character or User:Username/Character? Or is either acceptable?

-- Dorvelle 19:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll edit it. It should read probably something like: "Characters which are actually owned by a specific editor should be under "User:name/char" while characters which are only maintained by a certain editor should be at "Server:name/char". --User:Sky2042/Sig 19:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Furthermore, if a user has an article about a specific user that he wishes to allow other people to edit, it can be under the server, per WW:PA and WW:PC, but at no point should a PC article be in the main namespace. --Pcj (TC) 19:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Characters are under Server:, other personal articles are under User:, see Category:Scarlet Crusade US Characters for a good example. PC was separated from PA and ratified some time ago. --GRYPHONtc 18:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Images and copyright

Well I have to say that for a website which makes such heavy use of fair use, I was a bit surprised to see such a widespread lack of attribution and misunderstanding of fair use laws. I just realised this at Image:Transmute-Rotation Print.png where someone thinks they can copyright Blizzard images, LOL!

A quick flick through images on WoWWiki shows that in most cases attribution is not given. According to WoWWiki:Policy/Copyright#Fair_use the source of material must be acknowledged. Considering that the vast majority of these images are from Blizzard Entertainment I figured it wouldn't be that hard to make a tag for it. Even Blizzard's policy on allowing this requires a copyright notice to be included [5]. So I made one.. feel free to sexy it up (and I apologise if one of these has already been created - I was unable to find one). Attribution is incredibly important, not just legally, but for moral reasons and keeping within the spirit of a wiki. It took me a while to find the Fair Use policy here! I think these things should be more promininent. The template (found at Template:C-blizz) Eltressa 06:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

At the bottom of every page is a link toWoWWiki:General disclaimer, which states this already. With this, there really is no reason (to me) to tag every single image page with this template. --User:Sky2042/Sig 06:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
That's not really good enough considering that a significant amount of images here aren't by Blizzard. It's no good to just say "all the ones that are from Blizzard, if you can figure out which are which, are from Blizzard". Eltressa 06:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
If you can figure out which isn't usually that hard, based primarily on where they link to. Obviously, every single icon is Blizzards, so that doesn't really matter. There are a few rpg images floating around which aren't tagged with {{RPG}}, so that probably needs fixing. Let's see here... every screenshot produced is theirs by right. That should just about cover it, I think. --User:Sky2042/Sig 07:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Quest: Stave of the Ancients.

The section "Quest: Stave of the Ancients" needs editting. Even though it's a level 60 quest, it still says "XP gained: 0" Can we fix this? -- Luffy 19:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it according to Allakhazam --BlameMe Mucke talkTo 02:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
"We"? You can edit pages too! TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 04:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Lies, all lies  D ♠ T ♣ C ♦ I ♥ WP 06:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Quiet you. Not like you do any of that. --User:Sky2042/Sig 18:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Battle/War Template help

Hi! I was wondering if some kind person could knock me up a three-way battle and war infobox template. The basic code is here: . I *think* I could do it on my own but I'm new to wiki-ing and I'm pretty sure I'd cock it up repeatedly. Cheers! Also, I don't know why, but at the moment on the battle template "casualties" is coming up as "combatants". Not sure what to make of it. Coming Second 20:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

My bad. I have issues copying and pasting. I'll throw together a three-way battle box. --User:Sky2042/Sig 02:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I'm going to tweak {{battle}}. Be done soonish. --User:Sky2042/Sig 03:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks! Coming Second 12:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Lore section in the class pages

This is a followup to find out what people think of the short lore section in Mage (reduced to general info about the class in general, to keep it from being bloated), and lore in Mage races as opposed to the old way of splitting lore from the main class pages onto its own lore page. An alternative suggestion was to make class lore be the primary class page, and have it list an in-page disambigation to the various gameplay pages, how to play a, how to kill a, "class" races, "class" spells, etc etc.

These ideas have been discussed with a few admins in IRC, and in talk pages, including, Ragestorm, Adys, and Kirkburn, and other fellow wikians, those who either liked it, or fairly neutral about it (or never commented), and those like Sky2042 who don't really like it. But mostly the discussion was positive, and idea of it only being a small lore section added to the main class page was even more positive than the idea of switching the articles.

The reason for this post, is to find out what others other than those in previous discussions think of these ideas. Should we do this to the rest of the pages, or revert it to the old style?--Baggins 18:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia calls this "summary style" when an article has short summary paragraph or two for sections that can be entire articles. The section starts with a tag like Main article: Mage lore and then a general summary of the highlights of mages in lore. Most class articles are already in this style, with a section on "Spells" for instance, then a link to the expanded spells page. So a lore summary is not out of line. --Piu (?!) 23:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Yikes, Mage lore is a redirect to mage!! --Piu (?!) 23:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
The only problem I have for this is that some of the class articles are already long-winded. Otherwise it sounds like a fun, trivia-type thing to include in the article. I would definitely object, however, to swapping the page titles. The article most likely to be looked at by the average user is the page that should not have the disambiguation. I believe that the gameplay information is far more read than the lore article. --DuTempete talk|contr03:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that generally the most of the Class lore pages have had a call to be trimmed down for being bloated, and including alot of lot information that could be included in other related articles (for example any rpg classes or organizations could be moved to their own pages, and class by race could be included within either each race's page, or the Class races pages). This is the thought behind doing away with Class lore pages altogether. In some cases perhaps for Shaman lore, it might work best to move some of the material to a name like shamanism to hightlight the religion rather than the class. Not all people who believe in shamanism are shamans for example.Baggins 18:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Agitated ancestors of Nagrand

I had created a quest chain, a page titled "The Agitated Ancestors of Nagrand". This chain illustrated the quest chain currently described at Quest:A_Visit_With_the_Greatmother/Quest_chain. So far, I have found no sign that the page ever existed - nothing in the deletion or move logs, no sign of the page in my contribution history, nothing except some comments about it, and links in the histories of the relevant quest chains. "links to pages" doesn't show the page either.

I would like to know what has become of that page, in that I did spend a nontrivial amount of time creating it. Has it gone to tumbolia? Was it deleted with cause? without cause? I would appreciate the warning in case other such pages disappear similarly. And yes, I have noted the change of pages from Quest Chain:xxx to xxx quest chain. No worries there. -- Eirik Ratcatcher 23:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Wierd! I just had a look at google; it completely disappeared. (link from Mag'har, but that's a cached history, I think). What's the exact link; an admin can have a look at the deletion. --User:Sky2042/Sig 23:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Erm... I recall fixing a dead link involving that chain on the Mag'har page... Is this my fault again? I did the same edit on the mag'har page at the same time. --User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
If you found the link dead, it couldn't have been your fault the page went away. But yeah, the history has the correct page name for when I added the page. (Were I to rename the page, my choices would have been "The Agitated Ancestors of Nagrand quest chain" or "Hero of the Mag'har quest chain", and I checked both of those, no hits. --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
"The Agitated Ancestors of Nagrand" page was deleted on Aug 19 (deletion log). I removed a few dead links to it from Garadar, Mag'har, Nagrand Forge Camp, and Talk:Nagrand Forge Camp. - ClydeJr - talk - contrib 21:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I had it restored, and then I moved it to Hero of the Mag'har quest chain. Eirik, if you would be so kind as to switch the pages that link to Quest:A_Visit_With_the_Greatmother/Quest_chain to the other, and then tag the Quest:subpage with a {{speedydelete}}, that would be appreciated. :) --User:Sky2042/Sig 22:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Will do. I looked in the deletion log and must have missed it. --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hyjal and the Demon Hunters

In the demon hunter atricle it says human demon hunters have been spotted along with 1 NE Demon Hunter "guarding" Mt. Hyjal. Does anyone have a screenshot of these human Demon Hunters, because Im too low to go to Hyjal to see them. Mr.X8 00:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

It is only in the extra RPG text, not in-game.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

High Elves

Would we be able to add all the great Alliance High Elves like Anasterian and Alleria onto the table at the bottom of most pages. The one that lists the Horde and Alliance races, along with the heroes and races of variuos factions. Mr.X8 00:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

What?--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The table with heroes looks like almost like this:


Spam aside, that is for factions, not people. Do you mean make a new table? We have one for heroes (if not an outdated one).--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's what Im trying to say. I think all the Alliance High Elves should be added to the heroes table. Mr.X8

This?--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


Yes, but is there a way to add Valleria, Anasterian, Vereesa, and what other famous High Elves on the Alliance? Mr.X8 00:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

It is transcludeable, that means you edit it on another page and add it with {s. The true page is Template:War3mainchars. Edit it if you want. If you mess up the codeing my hide (And yours too) will be the new background. Also, editing this template will make it change on evey page it appears on filling the job-Q and that means lag.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Right, Ill let an administrator or someone who knows what they're doing edit it. Mr.X8 00:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Grr. You will let an administrator or someone who knows what they're doing edit it? Like I can't? >:( --User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I never said you couldn't. In fact you're here and you know what you're doing, so... Mr.X8 00:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


Okay, I did not get what the WoWWiki signatures said to do to customize mine. Is there "an idiots guide to customizing a WoWWiki signature" or something? Mr.X8 00:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

No, but a good question. The best advice I gave on that I gave to Airiph.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I dont have a signature thing on my preferences and I still don't get it, sorry Mr.X8 00:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Important info me and Pcj said:

  • You make them. Search for 'sig' on the site and hit edit to see what code does what. DO NOT MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S SIGS THOUGH! :)--SWM2448 19:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Check out the "Signature" field in your preferences...if you check the Raw Signature box you can put something like in there... save that and put something on that page to see how it works (or look at others). --Pcj (T•C) 19:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Your preferences should have a box about Signatures right under your Email. Look closer.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Right I clicked raw signature, what else do I do? Mr.X8 01:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

And do you mean Template:Sig? Mr.X8 01:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Errgggggg, I'll never be able to do it!!!! Mr.X8 01:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd be happy to make one for you! Check out the two I made in my sandbox: User:DuTempete/sandbox Hop into IRC any time, and I'll chat with you about it.--DuTempete talk|contr01:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Dude, thank you so much! When would be a good time for you? Mr.X8 01:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Umm... I on pretty much all the time, when I'm not in class. Thu-Sun, all day. --DuTempete talk|contr02:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Little word of advice, don't go overboard with fancy picture signatures (they probably should just be for wowwiki staff only), and try to keep the size down, I've been persuaded against being able to use mine too much, since it screws the spacing in talk pages...Baggins 04:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Plenty options available, just don't copy it all into the actual page like mr dutempte up here..
its ugly and messy while editing  - CJ talk / cont  05:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Ms. DuTempete will kick your ass for that :P Meanwhile, yeah, er, try not to copy mine ... people love doing that around here >_> Kirkburn talk contr 13:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Dang, Baggins, that stinks about your sig. I really liked that one! I'll chat with you later, about something new.
Cj, on the sig that pastes itself in, rather than using a template, well, I'm not changing it for just you one or two people who don't like thinking a teeny bit harder when you look at the edit window. There's a very good reason I don't use the template format. But, in the end, it's about how long the sig is, and what the person who uses the sig wants. It's not up to the peanut gallery, Ms. Cj.
DuTempete talk|contr14:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
There are simple ways to template the sig and not have it impact the server (it's not that big of an impact as it was when the sig guide was written) when you want to change it. /Sig1 /Sig2 /Sig3 /SigEtc... You can add my vote to the peanut gallery. --GRYPHONtc 14:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you guys are serious about that, then have the suggestion removed from the help page. If it isn't supported by the wiki bureaucracy, then I'll change it.
DuTempete talk|contr 15:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Well actually, I was thinking of one like Apollo's, except the font a little smaller just regular type like DuTempete has, in red, have a HE icon instead of a BE icon, and the little thing that says (zeus) in the top right corner, I don't need Mr.X8 20:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

And what happeed to my name, last time there was a link to my userpage, now its just like regular non linked font Mr.X8 20:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

You turned on raw signatures, which is part of how we make custom sigs. :) --User:Sky2042/Sig 22:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, you're right Mr.X8 03:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

NPC pages

User:Laurlybot will be ready to run the npc pages soon. Note: Category:Laurlybot:NPC_requests.

There has been an objection to all the transcluded pages. But the good point of having the transcluded pages means that we can rerun the bot from time to time and update all these pages with current data without having to worry that the bot will clobber anything added to the main page. So what im looking for before i run the bot is opinions, questions, comments, gripes what ever so that we deal with any bugs or problems before the bot generates 2k+ npc pages. Laurly 08:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

yadda yadda
some more example
It just occurred to me that it would be possible for, whenever the bot parses {| (I don't know if it does), to look for the word "Drop", "Sells" etc. For example, use (one of) the examples on the right and have it stop looking for sells when it hits the table end. And yes, for all, I'm the sole objector. I hate the transcludable pages idea (I had to clean through them when we got rid of template:css). Would this be so hard? Anything in the tables would end up deleted the other way in any case, so this is why I'm wondering. --User:Sky2042/Sig 22:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
That wouldn't be a bad idea if you could 100% guarantee that someone wouldn't change the table data sometime in the future. Which would be hard. Laurly 11:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
We can't 100% guarantee that anyway without locking every page, and then the bot can't edit them Smiley; I saw someone edit a /Drop or /Sell page yesterday (apparently, from rings -> necklaces; I have no idea if it was a correct change or not). Assume good faith. We've managed to make all the talents with tables work. --User:Sky2042/Sig 19:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

WoW Press Release

Hey Guys, Wikia just put out a press release announcing that WoW hit the 40K article milestone, and and is on of the top 1,500 sites on the internet according to Alexa. There is also a nice quote from Kirkburn :)

-- angies 17:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

/me looks embarassed, yet proud :P Kirkburn talk contr 17:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Search Boxes

Is there a reason for the search boxes to be redirecting automatically to the google ads? As soon as you click on the search boxes that have google ads displayed above them, they will just start loading the page for that particular wiki. Quite annoying, and (to be blunt) a good reason to not be using wowiki as a warcraft tool. I love wowwiki and hate to see to see it forcing users to pages not requested, so please consider doing something about it. -- Innocentlysassy 02:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a recent bug. I click in the search box and it mistakes it for a click on the image ad. It worked fine a couple days ago, no idea why it does this now. Workaround is to bounce on the tab key until it lands in the search box. --Piu (?!) 04:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
You can also click the "Search WoWWiki" link in the man navigation box, under "Random Page" until the box is fixed. --Piu (?!) 04:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I run Wowwiki on Safari browser and entering the search box automatically redirects me to the Google Ad currently displayed above. This totally makes the search function useless, I can't search.

I don't know if this is a wiki redesign, or a Google issue, but it totally invalidated Wowwiki for me. The search function is the key to finding anything at all in Wowwiki, and I might as well look to Allakhazam for my NPC and quest searching needs...

Anybody that can look into this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kerala (talkcontr). 04:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Reported two posts above. --GRYPHONtc 04:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Of course it's not a wiki redesign :/ Why on earth would we do that to the search box?? It really helps to know what people are running, rather than just saying "it doesn't work". Is it just Safari that's seeing the problem? I tested on both Firefox and IE7 and it's working fine for me. (edit: I have passed it on) Kirkburn talk contr 13:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Safari for me too. --Piu (?!) 15:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
It appears to be fixed now. --Piu (?!) 23:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Not fixed as of 9:52am September 9 2007. I'm a Safari user. The entire left column is a link to the Google ad, not just the search box. Maybe someone didn't include a close-the-link tag? Seankreynolds 16:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

That was the problem when I inspected the source. The link for the image wasn't closed, which was only affecting Safari apparently. Right now it's working fine for me on Safari. Try clearing your browser cache, or doing a shift-reload maybe? --Piu (?!) 03:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


Dear WoWWiki, Someone has been deleting some of my "writings". If it was an administraotr, I have no problem with it, if it's not, is there a way you can stop it? Mr.X8 03:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr.X8 (talkcontr).

Firstly, please stop spamming questions. Secondly, please try and do stuff yourself, rather than keep asking things that you can quite easily find out for yourself. I deleted this: [6]. I think it should be pretty obvious why (the guy you responded to was joking). This is a site for working together - insulting and shouting at other users is not allowed. Kirkburn talk contr 13:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

That's not what I meant, I knew someone was going to delete that. I mean I asked some questions about the RPG and when I kept going back to see if anyone answered, nothing was there. I know I saved it because I know to save my stuff. Mr.X8 20:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that questions regarding the RPG probably belong on WoWWiki_talk:Warcraft pump because of the topic. You should probably ask again there. --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


On Sylvanas' talk page, it says she has Rod of Undead Mastery that can re-animate the dead. It also says the Forsaken have no necrotic (or is it necromantic?) powers. On the Forsaken's article, it contradicts this saying they have necromancers in their ranks and I'm pretty sure Ive seen other peices of info that say he same thing. Which one should be changed, or should they both be left alone? Mr.X8 20:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hidden Icon flagRSP2

I would like know how have the hidden icon to re-appear? My brother has added addon the icon but I only hidden it ,but i can't seem to figure out how to have the icon to come back. What should I do? I am terrible at computers. My brother is away.

-- Burningskyes 08:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

/RSP standby --Invin Dranoel 14:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Reagentbox vs Reagentlist

i got annoyed by the very ugly and bulky look of the {{reagentbox}}, and decided to create something similar to a list instead. the design is inspired by laurlybot's npc_drops, npc_sells etc. a short comparision:

  • Reagentbox is limited to 30 items
  • Reagentbox can have customized caption
  • Reagentlist can list virtually unlimited amount of items.
  • Reagentlist includes source for needed items
  • Reagentlist takes up less space
  • Reagentlist looks tidier

Requires Tailoring (375) and the following reagents:
Inv fabric soulcloth bolt
19x [Bolt of Soulcloth]
Spell shadow antimagicshell
12x [Rune Thread]
Inv misc leatherscrap 10
6x [Knothide Leather]
Trade tailoring Tailoring (375) Source
Inv fabric soulcloth bolt 19x [Bolt of Soulcloth]Created
Spell shadow antimagicshell 12x [Rune Thread]Vendor
Inv misc leatherscrap 10 6x [Knothide Leather]Created

You can take a look on the two pages User:Taurmindo/sandbox/Reagent list header and User:Taurmindo/sandbox/Reagent list row for example of how the info is input to create this list. any feedback? Taurmindo | talk contr  13:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I like reagentbox better because it is closer to how the professions pane in-game displays it. --Pcj (TC) 14:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I like the list better personally, wish it was more like that in-game actually. Simple, to the point, and easy to follow. --BlameMe Mucke talkTo 16:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I like the fact that it's smaller, and less ugly, however, I like doing those lists w/ text because you can also include the sub-mats in a way that shows they're sub-mats. If you could include a way to do that in your template, that would be fantastic. --DuTempete talk|contr 19:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
That would be nice. I also want to point out that the limitation of 30 reagents is hardly a basis for comparison, since I think we all agree Blizzard would be nuts to make an item require 30 individual reagents. --Pcj (TC) 20:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Of the two, I like Reagentlist better. Not enough to use it, though. (I like the even-less-bulky list better.) But don't mind me, you didn't make it for me. :)--Eirik Ratcatcher 00:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

i understand the criticism of 30 reagents, and surely blizzard will not add something needing more than that. but for sub-reagents for an item, it may become possible. i messed around a little to fufil DuTempete's wish. this is the result: For [Goblin Rocket Boots]:

Trade engineering Engineering (225) Source
Inv boots 05 1x [Black Mageweave Boots]Trade tailoring(230)
   Inv fabric mageweave 03 3x [Bolt of Mageweave]Trade tailoring(175)
      Inv fabric mageweave 01 15x [Mageweave Cloth]Drop
   Inv fabric silk 02 2x [Heavy Silken Thread]Vendor
   Inv misc leatherscrap 08 2x [Thick Leather]Inv misc pelt wolf 01(175)
Inv musket 01 2x [Mithril Tube]Trade engineering(195)
   Inv ingot 06 6x [Mithril Bar]Trade mining(175)
      Inv ore mithril 01 6x [Mithril Ore]Trade mining(175)
Inv misc leatherscrap 07 4x [Heavy Leather]Inv misc pelt wolf 01(125)
Inv cask 02 2x [Goblin Rocket Fuel]Trade alchemy(210)
   Inv misc herb 19 2x [Firebloom]Trade herbalism(205)
   Inv drink 01 2x [Volatile Rum]Drop
   Inv drink 06 2x [Leaded Vial]Vendor

including sub-reagents creates minor issues:

  • to create the item one doesn't actually need all the items in the reagent list. e.g. one does not need bolt of mageweave AND mageweave cloth. this is not clearly shown.
  • to make a reagentlist one has to go deep into what is made of what and who.
  • to make this advanced list one has to find out skinning and herbing levels etc, which means more work to provide such a list.
  • it may not be obvious what are subreagents and what are actual reagents.
  • more of variables has to be put into the {{reagentlist row}}
  • where to stop? at mithril bar or mithril ore? at bolt of cloth or cloth?

Taurmindo | talk contr  10:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Comparing the number of reagents you can store is practically meaningless - 30 is not set in stone, and the minute someone actually needs that, they can update reagentbox to include however many they need; so far, though, I don't think anything uses as much as 10. I don't really like {{fooheader}} {{foorow}} {{foofooter}}-style templates - might as well use an inline table (which'd probably be shorter, too!).
Use comparatively same-sized captions when comparing things - considering the Requires Tailoring (390) text usually appears before the table, a simple "Components required" caption would stop that line from wrapping, reducing the amount of space it uses.
I'd have to take issue with the "Reagentlist takes up less space" claim, which isn't actually true half of the time - you win a few pixels (~5) if you include an odd number of items, you lose by a few more pixels if you include an even number of items; horizontal space is free, no reason not to use it. The two-column layout allows {{reagentbox}} to use larger icons, and to make the text labels a bit more readable - while the lack of cell padding in reagentlist makes it a bit more difficult to skim through ("Reagentlist looks tidier" -- meh, "more compressed" is the phrase I'd use).
(indentation is implemented in a rather silly fashion in reagentlist, but that's fixable)
Overall, I don't think what you're proposing really it fixes the issues you're describing; sacrificing a bit of padding and readability to gain a few pixels of vertical space isn't worthwhile; inclusion of source information is of debatable value (appending to |itemx= is an option, if desired); sub-reagents are mildly interesting. -- Starlightblunder 17:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Abilities of enslaved demons

Hi. I was thinking of adding info about which abilities are avaiable when a warlock enslaves a demon (ie not one of their normal summoned minions). For example, Servant of Ilgalar comes with Mana Burn (rank 1), essentially identical to the priest spell. I don't want to add excessive info but I want it to be found easily.

At the very least, on the Servant of Ilgalar page, I plan to add this info in the "Attacks and abilities" section (if Laurly bot doesn't do it first). Then, on the Mana Burn page, I might note "rank 1 is also available when enslaving Servant of Ilgalar". This seems like it could get out of hand, and may be confusing to any priest simply wanting to learn about their ability. Last, I could see a reason to add the info in a big list on the Enslave Demon, with all enslavable demons and their abilities (similar to the huge Mind Control page). But that seems needless. Thoughts? -- Harveydrone ( talk | work ) 22:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The Spellsteal page has similar issues, where it's turning into a big list of what mobs have what ability (buffs to steal in this case). Maybe things like this should be split out into separate articles due to the potential size? --Piu (?!) 23:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Great, as if Mages didn't have enough stuff in their goodie bag, they now get Spellsteal. :-P
--Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:08 PM PDT 12 Sep 2007
I once stole Innervate off a moonkin. Best spell ever --Piu (?!) 23:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Fandyllic, we've had spellsteal since BC came out. Where have you been? >_< --User:Sky2042/Sig 02:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Looking at Spellsteal has convinced me not to add this info to the Enslave Demon page, as a general rule. Still wondering whether this is appropriate info for the individual ability pages. -- Harveydrone ( talk | work ) 18:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
If I may make a "simple" suggestion or two... Why not make pages expressly for the listing of these things? Like List of Stealable Spells or List of Enslaved Demon Abilities? That way the clutter won't tarnish the information and the information won't be on a "clutter" page. ~ Doc Lithius [U|T|C] 10:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Questrace - better late than never.

Having known of {{questclass}} for some time, I only recently discovered that there are in fact some tauren-only quests in Mulgore. I'd know of the Draenai-only quests in Bloodmyst Isle for a while, but "why make a template if there's only one instance of it?". A matter of moments, then, to bend questclass to my ways for {{questrace}}. See if you find it useful. It should at least ease the suffering of the Mulgore quests page... --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Now that we have a smarter wiki, is there a way to make your template smarter and have it pick the faction (Horde for Orce, Tauren, etc. and Alliance for Draenei, Night Elf, etc.) automatically based on the chosen race? --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:05 PM PDT 12 Sep 2007
Yes, there is. --Pcj (TC) 22:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Battle articles

Feedback requested about Battle article naming at WW:NAME by Gonzalo84. --GRYPHONtc 15:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Fanfiction Feedback?

Whew, say that three times fast. Anyways, I was wondering if any RP'ers (or just plain ol' readers for that matter) might want to give me some feedback on my fan fiction? Specifically the Fall of Azjol'Nerub, I just finished the prologue and parts one and two and I want to know what y'all think. ~Peregrine

Infobox instance, infobox zone and more

Infobox update time:

  • {{Infobox zone}} is needs adding to all main zone pages, along with other updates, in the style of Teldrassil. This is mostly complete - Northrend is the main ones left, and others continents need a quick check to make sure they're all done. Useful for checking links - [7]
  • {{Infobox instance}} has been created for all instances, and needs adding to all main instance pages. See Molten Core for usage.
  • {{Patchbox}} needs adding to patch articles from Patch 0.6 to Patch 1.9.4, along with adding {{patches}} and cleaning up the article start. See later patches, such as Patch 1.11, for usage.

There's a fair few more articles to update ... Help out if you wish! More infobox templates can be found in Category:Infobox Templates Kirkburn talk contr 00:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Small update - infobox zone is done, just the other tidying bits are needed on all zones (maps, dungeons, etc). Also, I have given all the stubs a revamp - see Category:Stubs! Kirkburn talk contr 03:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Resistance pages

So, started the conversion on the resistance equipment pages n all. you can see the first example on : Resistance equipment (head). It's a lot.. and i mean "LOT" of work to properly convert all the pages... If anyone is "really" bored and looking for something useful to do.. feel free to help out.  - CJ talk / cont  12:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not a big fan of having it all in one list. I much prefered it split by armor type like it was. I messed with the idea of transcluding pages into customizable lists, so you could see just what you wanted to see. The little bit I messed with is at User:Syzgyn/Resist. I dont know if that much transclusion would slow down the server at all, but if it wasnt a problem, you could have it all branched out in individual pages, then combined back in whatever way you wanted. For example, User:Syzgyn/Resist/Fire/Plate, without any extra work.--Syzgyn 15:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Style the tables with css per WW:MOS, this method is compatible with other site themes --GRYPHONtc 15:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


Moved to Warcraft Pump under Help! section.

Standardizing the spelling of "Judgment."

I have seen judgment spelled "judgment" and "judgement" on WoWWiki. The correct spelling is "judgment." I know that "judgement" is a (usually frowned upon) variant, but regardless of the way the word is spelled, it should be spelled the same way throughout the site.

I was about to edit some pages to help, but in some cases the page names themselves are misspelled. I am fairly new to Wiki editing, so how does changing URLs (for instance: Judgement of Righteousness ) work?

Great site, though, and thanks for the help and comments

-- Dirkbronze 21:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

You click the Move tab, HOWEVER, in this case it is properly spelled. We use Blizzards names whether they are controversial or not and that is how they spell it. I also see that you have changed the capitalization of the race names, as per policy and previous lengthy discussions, this has been covered. --GRYPHONtc 21:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
And regardless, both spellings are correct. Please see judgement at Judgement is typically British, judgment is typically American. One is not a variant of the other. --User:Sky2042/Sig 02:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
In a similar vein, Americans usually spell it defenSe whereas the British and Canadians spell it defenCe as well as color vs. colour. This is an English language wiki, so both variations would be acceptable. However, unless there is a controversy, we typically use the American spellings. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:10 PM PDT 17 Sep 2007
Weird. I've never seen 'judgment' (it was actually difficult to type that...), and I'm an American...--Azaram 11:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

"Report a problem"

Hi All. Wikia have made a new feature that may be useful to you. It's a link/tab on each article to "report a problem". This leads to a small form that can be used to give information on what's wrong. Admins then have a special page that allows them to mark each as fixed, not a problem, or to flag it for Wikia staff. The idea is to catch all the people that don't know enough about wikis yet to fix things themselves, or how to find admins to help them. At the moment, we get email from people with problems that would much better be addressed by local admins, maybe this will help fix that!

So, this will be enabled shortly and is on Inside Wikia now. Please have a look at it, try it out, and let us know whether it's something you want. The reports page is at Special:ProblemReports and the link/tab is on each article page. If this won't be helpful to you, we can disable it for your wiki. All feedback gratefully received! Thanks -- sannse@fandom (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Minor question that doesn't influence anything in particular: Is the text of the message (if you need help... blah blah blah) editable? --User:Sky2042/Sig 02:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Sounds excellent to me! Kirkburn talk contr 18:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Sky, yep, it's a mediwiki message so can be altered by any admin. The version on Inside at the moment is too long I think, something very simple would be better -- sannse@fandom (talk) 02:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Cool cool. --User:Sky2042/Sig 03:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Looking forward to it. Hopefully we can use it in conjunction with WoWWiki:Server requests. I'm assuming these problem reports are for wiki-specific problems and not content problems. We might want to make this distinction more clearly when it gets enabled for WoWWiki. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:58 PM PDT 17 Sep 2007
Personally, to me it seems that it will be used as a content problem reporter, tbh. Different meanings to different people. --User:Sky2042/Sig 04:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


For some reason, in all of the NPC boxes I've seen so far, next to the image in the box is the word "Cap". What is this? --Joshmaul 04:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed by Raze. My mistake :( Oh btw, all templates of that (wowbox) design now allow a "caption" arguement for the images. Kirkburn talk contr 22:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Replace "lvl 70" by "level cap"

In my recent edits, I found quite a lot of references to "level 60" or "lvl 70", where the authors actually meant the level cap. I'm not sure where to put that, but think it would help to have this hint somewhere in the policies - authors, please use "level cap" when that is what you mean, not some absolute number which may be obsolete next year (most probably I'll get now teached where in the guidelines this hint already exists :). --Batox 11:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Replace the level number with {{levelcap}}  D ♠ T ♣ C ♦ I ♥ WP 13:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know, if the gold-equivalent quest reward values changed, when the level cap changed? --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm willing to guess that they did, but no, unless you feel like digging through the archives. :) --User:Sky2042/Sig 03:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
At 60 the rate was "5 gold per 8000 experience" source. At 70 it appears to be 4.8 gold per 8000 EXP... I'm betting the old number was rounded and they didn't change the rate. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 03:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

questions about swtiching main hand and off hand.

-- I want to know how can I make this macro.

first, to judge the main hand or off hand taking a dagger.(Example:main hand holding a dagger and off hand a sword.) then swap main hand with off hand and cast the Sinister Strike.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by S007 (talkcontr).

This is not the right place to ask the question, this is for discussion about the wiki itself - not WoW.  D ♠ T ♣ C ♦ I ♥ WP 09:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Various Casters

Is here any articles, maybe even just sentences about what a sage, heirophant, or hydromancer is in the Warcraft Lore? Mr.X8 00:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I told you what they are before. To recap, Sages know things, heirophants are... this, and hydromancers are water mages.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
No articles currently for hierophant, hydromancer, or sage. Maybe you can start them! It would be best if you could cite some sources when you make the articles. Thinking about it, I can start some articles. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:10 AM PDT 18 Sep 2007

Changing the Search Box

Frankly, I hate the google search box and would like to change to the standard wiki search box. I tried inserting the javascript code as specified on WoWWiki:Searching, but when I do that the search box does not terminate (seems to run off the end of the column), there is no "Go" or "Search" button visible, and press enter simply redirects me to Special:Search. Is there a solution to this? Honestly I can't understand why the google search is even the default in the first place. --Divisortheory 18:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Check User:Gryphon/wowwiki.css and/or User:Gryphon/wowwiki.js. They should have what you need to get rid of the google box.
Personally, I use both, which can be found on my wowwiki.css and js pages. --User:Sky2042/Sig 22:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Google search is the default because internal search was too much of a strain on the server, this is no longer such an issue. My js as linked provides both. --GRYPHONtc 21:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Minerals, Gems, Jewels, Cut Gems

I hate to bring this up again, but it's still not settled. Or, it unsettled itself spontaneously...

We've currently made a dog's breakfast of the categories of

  • stuff that isn't stone, what you take out of mineral veins ('category 1')
  • stuff you put into sockets ('category 2')
  • Items from category 1 that can be turned into items of category 2 ('category 3')

If memory serves: (please edit this section to correct the history where I've got it wrong)

  • before BC, we only had Gems (category 1), and everyone was happy.
  • when BC came out, we started stuffing the new category 1 and 3 items into 'Gems', and called category 2 'Jewels'.
  • Someone noticed "Blizzard doesn't say 'Jewels'", and category 1 got renamed 'minerals', category 2 got renamed 'gems'.
  • Somehow, we've now ended up again with "Gems" and "Jewels".

I wouldn't have brought this up if not for the templates {{gems}} and {{minerals}} floating around. And the dozen or so pages titled "gems of type XXXX". And most of the Gems page talking about things that are currently in Category:Jewels. And...

Once you look under the carpet, you are forever tainted by the knowledge of the what you found.

I've found at least one person who believes 'Cut Gems' is the correct name for category 2. I'm not convinced, but at least it's a break from the gems/jewels debate. But it's another opinion.

I'd like to see us regain some consensus on this. This really belongs in a pre-vote discussion, but I couldn't decide where to put the vote... --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

'Cut Gems' works for me as category 2. I wish Blizzard hadn't confused the gems/jewels naming thing, but we are where we are. We could also consider 'Cuttable Gems' as category 3. Unfortunately category 1 wouldn't strictly be non-cuttable gems, as it includes such oddities as Black Vitriol and Tainted Vitriol.
I think we can all agree the Template:Tlink template, which currently lists only cuttable gems, is completely misnamed. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:07 PM 19 Sep 2007
I was thinking that items in category 3 would also be in category 1, regardless of names, given how I defined the categories. Thus no worries there. OTOH, how would items like Pristine Black Diamond be categorized? They're distinctly gem-like, but not a mining product. --Eirik Ratcatcher 17:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
How about "Gems" and "Socketable Gems". Having cuttable gems on the gems page link to the section of socketable gems where their various cuts can be found. --BlameMe Mucke talkTo 23:36, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I like the thought: "Gems", "Cuttable Gems", "Socketable Gems". I'm reluctant to take this on myself, as I have absolutely no facility with bots. And that's a mightly lot of pages to recategorize. And probably should wait another day or two for more opinions, anyway. --Eirik Ratcatcher 17:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Here's a few of my thoughts. Blizzard doesn't call socket gems jewels in any context, so if we need a more specific category to describe these items, it should be a different form of "gem" not a completely different phrase. The "Jewel" category needs to be replaced with something more descriptive than "Gem" but not radically different, as Jewel is. "Socket Gem" seems to me to be something much more fitting.
The term Jewel isn't mentioned anywhere in the game, so why should we use it in this context? The Jewelcrafting section on the WoW main site guide clearly refers to socket gems as "gems" not "jewels." The auction house search function searches for "gems" and comes up with a list of all these different types of gems that Eirik described above. If the AH system classifies the different types of gems as Red, Blue, Yellow, Purple, Green, Orange, Meta, Simple, and Prismatic. This is a resource for the game, so I believe we should use a system similar to this...the system that is used in the game. It may fit to make an intermediary category for socket gems, which seems to be what we're leaning towards, but "Jewel" in this wiki does need to be done away with. --ShardeeDetheroc 03:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
How about a main page Gems, that shows a quick list of the pre BC gems (pristine black diamond, jade, etc) and a quick list of the jewelcraftable gems (nightseye, star of elune, etc), with links to the in-depth pages such as the current Gem? That page has a box that pretty much is what I was talking about, called 'Socket gems', showing each type of uncut gem by color. So, 'socket gems' as a blanket for cuttable and cut gems used for enhancement of armor and weapons, and maybe... Well, 'crafting gems' is all I can think of for the ones used only as parts of engineering, blacksmithing etc items, but I know that'd be confusing... Maybe 'Component gems'? Ingredient? --Azaram 11:18, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Season 1 Arena rewards : delete tag.

The season 1 arena rewards page ( was delete flagged. I went out on a limb, since It's been almost 2 months and there was neither a delete:talk tag or even a discussion tag, and added a willkeep to the nonexistant discussion page. I cannot, however, find the delete tag in the actual article. Anyone have any insights?

-- Hecuba 06:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Seems to be gone now  - CJ talk / cont  08:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

cant find the color bubbels for chat

need help, i install cosmos and it great but i make a mistake ( i think 0 i can not find anymore the color bubels that allow me to fast change chats maby its become behind the wow screen i dont now . i reinstall cosmos and delete all files of comos and reinstall but it seemnot to work. strange is its only by i character not the res of my character list.

thank for any help

centau -- Centauronix 13:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

This is not the Cosmos website - visit Kirkburn talk contr 18:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


I quickly knocked this up from Wikipedia:Template:Talkheader. It's for use on all talk pages, just add it with {{Talkheader}} as and when you visit talk pages. It can also be used on Use talk pages, with modified text - see User talk:Kirkburn.

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the WoWWiki:Village pump article.

Be polite
Assume good faith
Be welcoming

It could probably do with some more links, but I think it's a good start. Example of use on Talk:World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King. Kirkburn talk contr 19:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Sky just brought up {{Analysis}}. That should probably be brought under this template using an extra parameter. Kirkburn talk contr 19:43, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Whats with the NPCs Articles?

I know theres prolly some sort of bulletin about this somewhere, but for the life of me I cant find it. Please, I miss my NPC articles. Where are they, and maby you can leave the old articles in their place while you do whatever you did? -- Cormundo 13:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh? What are you talking about? Kirkburn talk contr 16:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I cant acess all of the NPC articles, or all of the enemy articles. It just says some sort of error message. Cormundo 22:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

And the error message is? Kirkburn talk contr 23:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

NVM figured it out sorry Cormundo 04:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Useless continent boxes

Why do the continents have zone boxes? They are far too big to summerize like that IMO. --User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean? Kirkburn talk contr 00:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Removed Northrend infobox.

Sorry to spam but how is one picture going to capture a diverce continent? The races are repeat info, too numerous, and require a lot of those little race pictures. The level info is obvious. A fourth of the game can not fit into a little box.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 01:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

You really didn't need to post the entire infobox! It's a summarization, why should it need to be long? That infobox is hardly huge. The races should only be native races, and I do think the continents have "typical" views. Kalimdor is purple, EK is green and Northrend is white. Kirkburn talk contr 01:26, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
My point was it is not a good or needed summary. All important info on a continent can not fit into a little box, if it can we need to choose more carefully on the info, like races with a large capital or something. I think just the main text on the page would suffice.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 01:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
All they need show is a picture, the native races, the level range and the location. What's wrong with that? That it can be used to show more, doesn't mean it will or should. Kirkburn talk contr 01:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I still think it is over simplifying too large of a thing.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 01:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Quest Info

I'm new to WoW in general and was going through doing a lot of low level quests, and I'm finding that WoWWiki contains little to no information on most of these quests. I wanted to add a "walkthrough" to each quest, but I wanted to ask if this is ok first. I see all the links to Alla, Thottbot, etc which usually contains walkthroughs, but it would be nice if everything were on one site. Here are my questions:

1) Is it ok if I go through and add walkthroughs as I do low level quests?
2) Lots of quest pages say things like "Level 20 (15)". What does this mean? Can it be reformatted to be more clear?
3) Some quest pages actually lead to disambiguation pages, particularly when the quest is a chain where each link has the same name. In front of these are always weird numbers. What do they mean?
4) On the actual quest pages, sometimes it's completely blank and only says something about Laurlybot. What is the deal with that, and is it safe to edit those pages if I want to add info?

Thanks --Divisortheory 18:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

For each point:

  1. No problemo.
  2. The first number is the recommended level, the second is the level needed to get the quest.
  3. The names of the quests are constant, but the links go to the different chain steps (we try and use the proper names as much as possible, though I do agree that could be clearer).
  4. You can replace such pages, but only if they add everything that Help:Quest articles requires.

Hope that helps! Kirkburn talk contr 19:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Third person versus second person in articles

As a self-avowed WoWWiki neophyte, I haven't really dabbled much in articles outside of those relating to my server. That said, I made a momentous first step today in editing a class article (yay me) to clear up some issues, get rid of the use of first person personal comments, and remove a little bit of bias. Prior to doing so, I reviewed the Manual of Style for quick and easy guidance. Having done so, I do have a question. The MoS states:

Write from an impersonal perspective. Do not use "I." For example, do not write, "Hellscream was a fervent member of the Horde. He served both the Old and New Horde, As far as I know." Avoid drawing attention to the author (yourself) as much as possible.

However, it makes no mention of drawing attention to the reader by use of the pronoun "you." A lot of the associated articles are written referencing third person voice (for which I do have my own personal bias), while others state that "you" should be doing or should not be doing something. What's the generally accepted opinion on this? Or does it even matter? It doesn't irk me enough that I'm going to go out of my way to change it when I see it, but I want to be sure that I don't incorrectly change something that's accepted when I clean up an article or two while I'm there. Thanks! -- Cynra (T·C) 21:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

History and background should never reference the reader. Strategies and related game-info can, but it should still be avoided, if possible. (Articles that contain both types of content can still use both). Kirkburn talk contr 21:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, sir. I guessed as much. It's more a matter of preference, to be honest; seeing "you" repeatedly (especially when it's a list of suggestions and appears over and over and over...) makes me cringe! I won't go out of my way to edit pages, but I'll clean things up when I stumble across it during other edits. Thanks again! -- Cynra (T·C) 21:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
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