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| − | '''Before commenting, please ensure you have read ''all'' of [[WoWWiki:Domain name]].''' |
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| + | '''Gallywix's Lockbox''' is a chest guarded by [[Grand Foreman Puzik Gallywix|Puzik Gallywix]] in the [[Sludge Fen]] area of northeast [[Barrens]]. {{coords|54.8|5.6|Barrens}} |
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| − | == Feedback == |
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| − | Please try and bear in mind this is just a URL change, and try and stay calm. This isn't going to be happening immediately, and there is still a fair bit of time to let people know. For the vote (or whatever) on the domain to move to, a sitenotice will probably be appropriate. Finally, please do not try and turn this into a vote - constructive comments please! Thanks. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 20:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| + | Contains {{item|icon=|Cache of Zanzil's Altered Mixture}} for the quest {{questclass|Horde|Rogue|21|Mission: Possible But Not Probable}}. |
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| − | :Contrary to what Wikia claims to have "done for us" (and as you, Kirkburn, are an agent of Wikia, I find it hard to believe you when you say it hasn't been "take, take, take"), the only positives I see are they keep the wiki version up-to-date and allow Blizzard to advertise on us - who is to say Blizzard wouldn't be advertising on us without Wikia (ignoring the fact that Wikia is quite obviously - and graciously - providing the webhosting)? Other than that, they've forced a new skin on us, forced us to merge our usernames, forced us to be bogged down with useless extensions and crappy JavaScript, all while appearing to not care what the users want. Woo, WikiaStats - big deal. Wikia Help - big deal. Yes, SEO is cool, but I remain unconvinced they've done anything which qualifies anywhere near balancing out to not being "take, take, take" on their part. |
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| + | Taking the mixture will poison yourself with [[Touch of Zanzil]]. |
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| − | :The move is certainly reasonable from the point of view of helping Wikia, but I don't see it helping WoWWiki. |
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| − | :On a side note, I personally hope the blog thing stays separate from the rest of the site. WoWWiki should remain encyclopedic no matter where it is. --{{User:Pcj/sig}} 21:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Need I point out the number of things that have gone through [[WoWWiki:Server requests]] since Wikia took over? This is stuff that would never have happened had we stayed independent (with the traffic we have, that would have been impossible anyway). If you have requests for the future, let me know, or put it on that page. Out techies have limited resources, but we do try and get as much done as possible. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 21:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ::PS. Don't read too much into the blog stuff atm. It's still in fairly early stages - it won't, however, interfere with any other wiki activities. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 21:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Most of the stuff on Server requests are simple changes to LocalSettings.php, installing extensions, and repairing broken extensions. On a wiki separate from Wikia, this would probably be more simple for someone to manage. I wasn't here when Rustak managed things and I don't know how quick he was to make those sorts of changes, but generally speaking it looks like most of those were simple changes. The more advanced requests (i.e. my armory thing, Adys's OpenWDB idea, and extensions with difficult installs) were denied. --{{User:Pcj/sig}} 21:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::Not to put too fine a point on it ... he didn't. He kept the server up, and did rare upgrades, but that's all. I don't blame him, it was expensive, hard to reach the server and he was busy. But we seriously did have very very little support. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 21:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::Regarding the more advanced requests - it would require dedicated techie time to implement. I wouldn't say they're denied, it's just a "not at the moment" thing. The techies just have more important things to work on that affect all Wikia. It's still possible for the future. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 21:28, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::Very well, for the domain name thing, I am resolved to vote "not at the moment", of course pending any future developments. Not denied, just not now. Don't call me, I'll call you. You understand. --{{User:Pcj/sig}} 21:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::::I understand. I am absolutely open to requests for new projects for the techs, especially given my new job title. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 21:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | :I really don't like the idea of a blog for RP'ers on WoWWiki. The way I see it is that people will use WoWWiki as a blog instead of a site that is, you know, actually a blog site. It will probably generate more pageviews for Wikia to use as statistics, 'cause that's all they care about, despite that we have a page about [[WoWWiki:Wikisquatting|Wikisquatting]]. But hey, we sold ourselves to Wikia, so we'll just have to take it. {{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 21:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ::As long as we have rules regarding what people can post about (e.g. must be WoW-related), it would run just like other pages. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work - but not trying is silly. Anyway, as I said blogs are very much in the development phase. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 21:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | The way it is described, I do not think the domain really matters. A free vote would only work if the only people who care to vote are the more experienced users who know what they are talking about (myself possibly not included), but it usually works out that way. I assume this "blog style addition" is similar to Halopedia's, but regardless, if WoWWiki is not a forum, why are we making it a blog? There are certainly some users who I will not obviously name<!-- Mr. X8! --> who use WoWWiki for such things, but I feel if this is emphasized the resulting corruption will spread greatly. Am I reading too much into it?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 21:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | : Okay, enough questions about the blog thing now :P It would be similar, but better developed than the Halo thing (and lessons learned from it are being taken into account). However, for us I think it would be targeted at the RP community alone, so they can do more for their character's stories without worrying about where to put it - not as a general "blog about your day" thing. |
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| − | : I do want to hear about what domain name we choose though. I personally don't have a strong opinion about any of the three I listed (wow.wikia, wowwiki.wikia, warcraft.wikia), though I think I lean towards warcraft.wikia.com as a long term name. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 21:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ==Vote and timeline== |
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| − | ::Undoubtedly WoWWiki has benefited from Wikia, but Wikia has forced alot of change on WoWWiki in a relatively short period of time. I do think we should have a vote among users to pick the subdomain. This would at least be a nod to choice, unlike quite a few of the recent disruptive changes by Wikia. I think even Wikia can admit they didn't handle the new-skin/advertising change very well. If they had waited a few weeks longer after getting feedback to make the change, alot more folks would have probably either supported it or not as actively opposed it. However, the largely negative reaction did result in some changes to the implementation that Wikia can be given credit for doing (turning of ads for logged in users in some cases and when editing). |
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| − | ::Here are some concrete suggestions I would give to lessen the negative reaction and make participants feel less like the change is just something foreced without feedback: |
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| − | ::* Vote on the primary subdomain. Start with some basic choices (wow.wikia.com, wowwwiki.wikia.com, warcraft.wikia.com, etc.) and ask for some alternatives from users for 1 week before voting starts. I would prefer super-majority wins (>60% or something) rather than simple majority. We should also try to figure out a good minimum number of votes (50?), so it doesn't seem like a small group has railroaded the vote in a short time. |
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| − | ::* Wikia should put some work into an "[[WoWWiki:FAQ for domain name change|FAQ for domain name change]]" that explains any usability differences after the change, because despite assurances, there will be differences. This means Wikia needs to do some research, but WoWWiki users should and probably will point out differences beforehand (problems with cached search stuff? templates that are parsing and expect the old-style domain for some reason?). |
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| − | ::* Wikia needs to be less vague about timelines so any things like voting can be planned to fit to the expected change (assuming it isn't like in a week which would be VERY BAD). Both admins and users could use a drop-dead date for feedback. |
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| − | ::--[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] [[User:Fandyllic|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Fandyllic</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Fandyllic|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Fandyllic|contr]])</small> 2:51 PM PST 20 Oct 2008 |
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| − | I've split this into a new section - my intention wasn't to make feedback be the title for everything - just my first comment :P To answer your points: |
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| − | *I do agree with pretty much everything. We could have handled the ads better - unfortunately, being a very new business style with no-one to follow, it does result in some stumbles. We are still working on ads, refining and improving how we present them. |
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| − | *As for what a user could expect: we have done this before, and we know what to expect - there should be no changes for the end user, apart from a URL change. Google might take a short while to reindex under the new domain, but this is something we should be able to notify them of directly. |
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| − | *As for a timeline - weeks, rather than months. I should be able to give better dates fairly soon, but for now, there's plenty of time to take a vote. A supermajority vote with as many voters as possible sounds good, though it would be best to start with a discussion of which is "best", so it's not a reactive vote based on who can recruit the most support. |
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| − | {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 22:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 07:16, 2 March 2011
Gallywix's Lockbox
Gallywix's Lockbox is a chest guarded by Puzik Gallywix in the Sludge Fen area of northeast Barrens. [54.8, 5.6]
Contents
Contains [Cache of Zanzil's Altered Mixture] for the quest Template:Questclass.
Notes
Taking the mixture will poison yourself with 
[Touch of Zanzil].