August 2014 through July 2015

I'm back!

Tankingmage (talk) 10:48, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Woot! Glad to hear it Smiley Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:40, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Current Project

As my Youtube series WoW Pro Lore will hopefully at some point cover all of WoW Lore, with some mini series to go into more detail about certain points in WoW's history. I've noticed how incomplete the timeline is, along with many pages missing information which is relevant to them and present elsewhere in the wiki. So I'm going to revamp the timeline, adding in as much detail as possible, so that all significant events are listed there. I will also focus on fixing pre Mists-Logo-Small lore and fixing the irregularities there. Appologies for going AWOL. Tankingmage (talk) 16:49, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Rewards vs Gains

Shouldn't these be listed in separate sections? "Rewards" are what the quest states you get for completion, while "Gains" are unannounced until the quest is complete. For example, a level 25 character will get the same rewards (cash, loot) as a level 85 character for completing a quest, but the XP they gain will be based on scaling. Reputation gains aren't listed in the quest log (in the basic, no add-on, out-of-the-box Blizz quest log), so they should not be listed as "rewards". This is how Wowhead is set up, and I assumed the same would go for the wiki. AlexSUCF (talk) 21:27, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

OK, do we want to use "Rewards" or "Gains" as the section header? I feel we should keep it consistent across all (as many as possible?) quest pages.
AlexSUCF (talk) 23:43, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

Modification to Quest template (NYI)

I merged the existing {{quest}} template and my {{U}} template into a single one that won't break any existing quest links but also formats the links with "(Part 1)" as small text outside of the link.
Current {{quest}} link: The Missing Diplomat (3)
Link using {{U}}: The Missing Diplomat (Part 3)
Link using {{Test}}: (Removed cos it's been changed)
I noticed that the only way to get the tool-tip to appear was to use {{quest}}, but the way {{U}} displays the link looks much prettier IMHO. I didn't want to change a core template (again...sorry...) without running the change past a lead admin first tho. I can also modify the {{questlong}} template to do the same. Lemme know what you think. If approved, I'll go through the pages that use {{U}} and change them back to {{quest}}, and then you can delete {{U}}. Well, not delete "you". Just delete {{U}}.
AlexSUCF (talk) 02:52, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

I'd also like your feedback on {{Test1}} is an update to {{Questchain}} in that it adds a link to Quest chain after the name of the chain. It also incorporates the catches from the original template (display name is field 2 and "alt text" is field 3). Docs can be written/revised if you approve of the change.
AlexSUCF (talk) 03:56, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
I made tooltips work on {{U}}. I'm not sure what {{Test}} is for, but it looks like there just needs to be more spans with put in all the links to get tooltips to work there also. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 Aug 2014 9:56 AM Pacific
I made {{Test}} as a combination of {{U}} and {{Quest}}, so that i wouldn't break {{Quest}} on all of the pages it is used on. But if you've already added the tooltip coding to {{U}} then I suppose there's no need to do that. I'll go ahead and repurpose {{Test}} today for another project I'm working on. Templates are one of my fortes. Thanks for the support :)
AlexSUCF (talk · contr) 21:14, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

More on Quests...

I don't know if you or Fandyllic have noticed, but I've been working on some fancy new imitation displays for the paperdoll and quest log. Paperdoll is already completed, and active at Template:Paperdoll (though I haven't had a chance to fix that page's outdated documentation yet). I just finished preliminary work on the quest log which you can check out at the (revamped) test page...which I won't directly link here cos when that page changes again it'll make your talk page look all funky (that's why I took the link to it out from our previous conversation). If you like the quest log look, I can start implementing it on pages as I go through them. The idea (once I finish the other two portions of it, which won't take long at all now) is that instead of the Objectives/Description/Progress/Completion sections on quest pages, the quest log would be displayed instead. In theory, the existing questbox could be thrown into includeonly tags, allowing tooltips to continue referencing them while only displaying the quest log format of the quests. Check out my test for an example of the first portion of a quest. Don't ask how I picked that quest to use as my example...I think I "random page"d to it.
Features of this template:

  1. Next/Previous buttons and links only appear if there is a next/previous quest in the chain
  2. Rewards for the quest are displayed exactly as they are in-game, with the money earned following "You will receive", then the choice rewards, then the guaranteed rewards. Any XP and rep bonuses are displayed after the item rewards.
  3. Quest level, difficulty levels, and zone are displayed at the bottom where Accept/Decline would be.
  4. Scrolling text, with the scrollbar located where the in-game scroll bar would be

Possible upgrade:

  1. Change the book icon in the corner based on when the quest was introduced (WoW, BC, WotLK, Cata, MoP, WoD) or when it was removed (overlay an X on the removal expansion)

Also on this test page:

  1. Quest chain sidebox under the infobox. Can be made into a template. Just needs to be in a div with the infobox to float properly.
  2. Short description about the quest before the pages are displayed. More wiki-esque IMO.

Please let me know if you like this and are interested in me implementing it. If you do like it, I would also like the addition of a new .a class in the CSS so I can darken the links. The light blue on parchment isn't really working.

Finally (I think), let me know if you're ever on Chat so I don't have to leave messages on your talk page ^_^.

Oh! One last thing...I'm thinking about putting my name in for admin rights...thoughts? AlexSUCF (talk · contr) 05:47, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

  • I can work on the quest frame and see if I can make it wider without making it look too funky. I'll also see what I can do with the existing questbox frame to make it look less empty. Possibly have the questbox be a top-float instead of a right-float, and be across the top of the page? IDK, I'll play with it.
    • Can I get a new .a class with a darker color (MidnightBlue perhaps) in the CSS for the questlog?
  • As I don't have Beta access, I'm going to continue going through old quests marking them as obsolete and adding the Cata/MoP quests that are missing. For the time being, I'll stick with the old layout but I'll have the questboxes added to each page in comments; if we can find a way to make them look better then we can easily un-comment them.
  • I know very little about the Blizz API. I work with HTML and image editing; scripting and importing character models is out of my realm of expertise. I tried making sense of the API hooks and all that jazz while trying to find where the game populates vendor inventories from, but all I got was a headache. If someone else can show me the ropes then I'd be happy to incorporate character (and NPC?) models into the paperdolls.
  • Agree on the vendor boxes being for current inventory only. Old inventories will be moved to the "Patch Notes" section of the vendor's page.
  • Family trees in WoW don't tend to be very large yet (two, maybe three generations for most families). I updated the Ladimore family page to include all of Lys' information because she was an unnecessary stub. The Eva page may be very simple (four characters, each with their own page), they are still a family. Do they deserve their own page? Maybe not.
  • {{MaxXPCoin}} already has the current max level as the default. Essentially, once WoD comes out we can update the template to use level 100 (and I'll add in the new math for it at that point). Any quests that don't have a max level hardcoded onto their page (that field left blank) will be updated to a lvl 100 max and get the new math added in. Quests that are removed with WoD can be then edited to remain at a max of 90. As I wrote in the documentation for it:

Q u o t e:

Please do not put the current level cap in this field. As new expansions are released the level cap is raised, and this template can be adjusted to reflect the new cap as the default. Any quests that had the old cap coded into their page would then need to be manually adjusted. More often than not, the number of quests that are removed from the game is *much* smaller than the number that remain active (unless another Cataclysm happens, in which case we're all doomed).

  • Cash rewards in-game are listed in the completion window after the "choice" rewards. On the example page, I split the choice rewards into two choice (Axe and Dagger) and two automatic (Hammer and Sword) to show how it would display multiple types of rewards. So you're right, the rewards for *that quest* are split, but it was intentional for displaying an example.
  • Changing the book icon will be incorporated into the next version of the questlog.
  • Admin nomination will be put in soon :)
Thank you again for all of your support for my template craziness!

AlexSUCF (talk · contr) 03:22, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Idea for Quest pages

I just did a quick modification to the sample quest page with the issues surrounding empty space cleared up. Of course, a new questbox would be needed (easy fix) and a revision to the questlog template would need to involve the change, but those are doable. Also, the colors are just for placeholders. I'm not awake enough to go finding the necessary images and coding all that right now. But this is a fairly rough work-up of what I have in my mind right now.

  • Original {{Questbox}} is gone, replaced with one across the top of the page
    • Red box: Faction symbol
    • Blue box: Quest title
    • Green box: Quest level and/or difficulty levels, not sure which looks better yet cos its 12am here.
    • Purple box: Whatever information from the original box we want to keep there. Most of the information is redundant because of the questlogs, but we'd need to keep stuff like NPC and rewards for tooltips to populate properly. On that note, is "Solo" necessary on all of the quest pages? Shouldn't it be assumed that if a quest isn't marked as Group/Dungeon/Raid/Party/Bring-your-besties that it is a solo quest? Just sayin'.
  • Short blurb about the quest directly below the infobox.
  • Quest chain floating where the infobox used to be.
  • Jump links to the three sections of the quest (Accept/Progress/Complete)
  • {{clr}} immediately after the jump links in case the chain is long. Possibly avoid this by using a collapsing box for the chain.
  • The three quest log panels
    • Next to the Accept panel would be an image/modelviewer (eventually) of the quest giver along with any notes about the NPC (coords, etc)
    • Next to the Progress panel would be images of the mobs to kill/loot, the items to collect (world objects like a pile of papers to loot or pinecones to pick up), and coords/etc for them
    • Next to the Complete panel would be an image/modelviewer of the quest completing NPC along with notes

This would make full use of the 680px wide frame we have to work in while getting all of the information in. I can update the template to automatically pull the NPC images for the side bar, and a new field for mobs/items to collect can be added too. If we're going to go this route, I think a template with a switch for objects and mobs based on ID numbers would be beneficial. I could code the new field so that the editor just has to enter "M42536,M42555" or "O19030" and it'll display the image (model eventually) for the corresponding mob/object. I can also then size the images based on how many are being displayed by using a string function which could otherwise fail if the mob/object name has a funky character in it.

I think I'm rambling now, so let me know if that made any sense. AlexSUCF (talk · contr) 04:30, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Login Problems

Hey Raylan, it's Tankingmage, I've been having login problems, will hopefully get this sorted. :)

Hi, you reverted my change to Dalaran Fountain. I respectfully suggest that you consult a dictionary to see the difference between faire and fare. In the context of the sentense, it is fare "a range of food, esp. of a particular type" while faire is an archaic spelling of fair. Thanks.

Patroller Abilities

Hey Raylan13,
Thanks for the offer to grant me patroller abilities, it would make my job a lot easier. I would be happy to try it out.  :)
---Sitb (talk) 03:12, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hey there rylan13,

Since becoming a patroller, I've been reading both of the pages and I still can't quite understand if patrollers and the watchdogs group are one and the same. How does that work?

Sitb (talk) 17:50, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Been a while

Hey Raylan, been a while. Sorry I havn't been on for months, this year has been very messed up so far. I hope to be active now. This winter i'm actually going to college for programming. I honestly wouldn't have any valuable input in regards to sitb's request. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 19:27, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

Work on

Is there any specific section of WoWWiki you would like me to work on? PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 19:36, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

Hey there! You deleted my page on my character info but then returned it? Now her name is showing up twice at the top and I have not figured out how to get rid of it. The link is here for her page. -Jacuren Paetus 1:04, November 18, 2014 (MCT)


Hey Raylan, I sent you an email, if you could reply to my current email address, that would be great Smiley BlizzCon2015 Varian painting Tankingmage (talk) 15:05, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Character Box Formatting

Hey there Raylan13!

I'm curious if, being one of the active administrators, you might have any input regarding the topic of this discussion. I'm not really familiar how non-standard formatting is treated on this wiki. :)

- Sitb (talk) 17:12, October 19, 2014 (UTC)


Hey there Raylan13!

I have been rolling back changes and adding vandals to the Violations page as usual, but I've noticed that there hasn't been any enforcement for a couple of weeks and it appears that one or two of the vandals might be coming around for a second round of vandalism (albeit under different IPs). The list is piling up fast, but I'm wondering if perhaps it's my fault that I'm too eager in reporting the one-time vandals. As a rule, should I wait to add vandals to the list until they offend more than once so it doesn't grow so quickly, or is it simply that the moderators have been busy/away lately?

- Sitb (talk) 13:22, October 23, 2014 (UTC)


Oi! So Fandy and you are here? ^^ IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 7 Nov 2014 4:43 PM UTC 16:43, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Warlords Section Template

Hey Raylan13

When using the Warlords article template, I noticed that it still contains a (NYR) tag on the end of it. Observe:

Warlords-Logo-Small This article concerns content exclusive to Warlords of Draenor.

I'm not sure how / where to update the template itself (or if it's even possible for someone with my wiki permissions), but I thought I would bring it to your attention. You seem to be one of the most (if not THE most) knowledgeable of these wiki things ;)

-Sitb (talk) 16:01, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Hey there. You keep reediting my page for me and I appreciate following the rules. But now my characters name is on my page twice... how do i get it to just one? Link is here.


Hey Raylan, long time no talk! Just wanted to mention that I've been editing WoWWiki again (specially since there's a lapse in editing/new expansion) and was wondering if becoming a moderator is still possible? If you could get back to me ASAP I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance! Zmario 01:56, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

*Pokes you* haha but yeah, I would be interested in becoming a moderator, just let me know what I have to do to go about the process. Zmario 22:32, November 21, 2014 (UTC)
Well, that was easier than I thought, thanks a bunch. While I have your attention...are you enjoying the expansion? Zmario 22:58, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

Sitb for admin

Just do it. You don't need my approval. Winky

Really, Sitb could use more templates, but I'm fine with probationary admin status. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 Nov 2014 9:13 AM Pacific


Hey Ray, I would like to start creating pages for follower missions but I'm not sure how you would like them laid out. (Should they follow the same pattern for quests? Or do you want me to wait until we have a suitable template?) Please let me know! Zmario 22:45, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

Achievement icon problem

Hey Raylan13,
I've come across this issue once or twice before and I'm wondering if you can tell me what I'm doing wrong (I'm assuming the error is mine, of course). The icon for Guild Draenor Dungeon Hero is not displaying properly in the tooltip. I'm wondering if this is an issue related to sizing, licensing or file format (or perhaps something else I've overlooked). Anyway, help/advice would be greatly appreciated :)
-Sitb (talk) 19:32, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

RTS Expert Inquiry.

Hello, I was checking out WoWWiki:Experts_needed#Warcraft_universe and noticed the Warcraft III box was not checked, even though someone had been given the title. So I'm wondering if multiple users can hold the RTS expert title. If so, I'd like to apply. PIESOFTHENORTH (talk) 21:28, December 17, 2014 (UTC)


PIESOFTHENORTH (talk) 19:44, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Rolandius's signature

I have noticed recently that Rolandius' signature auto-inserts in various places when I edit some talk pages using the source editor. This does not occur on all talk pages, only pages on which Rolandius has also commented. The result is that section titles and varous blocks of text are converted to links to Rolandius' page. I am not the only one to experience this bug. Take a look at the edit history of the Talk:Warrior page. The editor before me unknowingly triggered it, so I had to manually go in to remove the code (which it tried to add again the next time I clicked edit). Any idea what's causing this?
-Sitb (talk) 18:55, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

User deletion requests

I've been browsing the "speedydelete" category today, doing some housekeeping which hasn't been done in a while. I'm wondering what the general policy has been in the past for admins dealing with users who request their own profiles be deleted (there's a couple of them in the category). Is it safe to delete a user profile right away, or is it better to perhaps wait a certain length of time, in case they change their minds? I only ask because some of these users have thousands of contributions to Wowwiki.
-Sitb (talk) 18:17, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Follow-up question:
Can deleted user profiles be re-instated? What is the process for handling those requests if they happen to occur?
-Sitb (talk) 23:23, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Official source regarding Night Elf origins

I noticed you managed to find a reference for the request someone asked about Dark Trolls being the origin of the Night Elves. I looked around forever, but couldn't manage to find an "official" Blizzard source directly stating such. I see you posted a link to Wow Insider and mentioned the information was from the World of Warcraft Magazine. Do you happen to know the issue/page# wherein that information is contained? I ask because it seems like a pretty significant bit of information, yet I still can't find a direct quote from Blizzard to support the claim.
-Sitb (talk) 18:51, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

Took me a while, bouncing around from forum to forum gathering tidbits here and there about the issue, but I finally found it (Issue 5: Page 90-91) and here's a pic of the page. <3 Reddit.
-Sitb (talk) 20:09, January 21, 2015 (UTC)


Hi there. Thanks for your suggestion - since I do much anti-vandalism work I'd be glad to receive those rights.
Thanks! Rain (Talk) (Stalk) 19:15, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot :) Rain (Talk) (Stalk) 19:37, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

WoWWiki edit issue for Modules

FYI, using [1] vs. [2] you can see the display page for the wiki module page on WoWWiki is broken. A new page works fine until you save. Display for editing a page works fine until you save. The actual module works fine. :) Celess22 (talk) 20:28, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Interesting - noted and passed along to the tech guys just in case. Thanks Winky Raylan13@fandom (talk) 20:39, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Just letting you know it was broken on WoWWiki. Is definitely a bug. :) Celess22 (talk) 20:55, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yep - thanks Smiley I filed a bug report on Saturday, so it will be looked into! Raylan13@fandom (talk) 02:53, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Hearthstone quiz

See User_talk:Fandyllic#Hearthstone_quiz. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Feb 2015 10:59 AM Pacific

Real-world species facts

I see you have also noticed the anonymous user who has recently been adding additional information to the animal and critter articles. I was initially going the route of trying to tweak the additions so they integrate better and are more relevant to the animal's actual presence WoW, but I noticed you have started removing some of the added information altogether. What's the policy on this?
-Sitb (talk) 17:57, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

hey, ive been doing this for long now but before i make more, is it like ok for me to put some real-world info to creatures that are similar to real life, and can i make some pages more consistant to the lore rather then what is in game ? —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 10:26, March 2, 2015. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
It's best not to, honestly. There's a fine line between what is allowable and what isn't - and while a lot of the information could be related to Azeroth, unless there's actual lore pointing to it, it isn't easily justified. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 00:58, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Cool 100K card image

Really nice job on File:100000Club_seal.png. Maybe you should redo all the others! --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2 Mar 2015 12:07 PM Pacific

Nathrezim rogues

Since i am guessing you also deleted the Rogue class i put on Detheroc , let me ask what is the point of Nathrezim section including Rogue if there is not a single Dreadlord that has Rogue as one of his character classes ?

Well, let me put it this way - dread lords being rogues is sourced information, but who amongst them is that class isn't necessarily. Varimathras and Detheroc are only sourced as warlock and unknown, respectively. We're limited only to what is sourced - so while something might make sense on the surface, we've got to stick with what we can get our hands on, otherwise everything sort of devolves into an opinion war. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 22:58, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

I have to agree about Varimathras,but Detheroc is clearly a rogue . He has no warlock spells like inferno,doom,rain of fire . He has shadow strike that is most suited spell for rogues ( Maiev Shadowsong ) .How he tricked humans into serving him also goes in rogue favor . Even his inventory items suggest he is a rogue . You have to reconsider letting me add Detheroc class as Rogue ( RPG ) , i have seen the manual of monsters page 118 where it says that Dreadlords favorite class is rogue ,but if you don't have at least one Dreadlord have the rogue class it is completely pointless .

And why does Balnazzar get Warrior (RPG) class ,Tichondrius gets Warrior too when they are clearly warlocks . They both got Warrior class as a result of fan opinion hence Detheroc deserves a class too .

If either aren't sourced, they don't belong ;) Raylan13@fandom (talk) 15:40, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

They are not sourced ,but i do agree with the people who made those changes .The personality of those 2 characters matches the Warrior characteristics just like i am sure they would agree with my assesment of the best suitable class for Detheroc . Those classes were added for RPG elements and there is no reason that there shouldn't be a Rogue (RPG) class if a lot a clues point to that .

WoD Portal

Hi Raylan13!

I just went in to correct/update some information that was incorrect within the Warlords tab on the main portal page and realized that the information contained within the Warlords tab is not updating along with the the WoD portal page (ie. Yrel isn't on the list, Botani are still referred to as "Fara" and Saberon is spelled incorrectly). I'm not entirely sure how the main page works for updating, but I assumed each tab updated on-the-fly when the corresponding expansion portal was updated.
-Sitb (talk) 17:49, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up. I was hoping it would just fix itself, but appears not to be happening. I would leave a message on Celess22's talk page about this as he implemented the tab functionality. Hopefully he just doesn't know it hasn't been updating, but know what the problem might be. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 24 Mar 2015 10:16 AM Pacific
Looks like Celess got it all figured out, from what I can tell. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 01:35, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

When I try to go to or I get redirected to instead. Did something change? --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 May 2015 6:19 PM Pacific

See Celess22's comment at User_talk:Fandyllic#Domain. This also happened to me. My permissions (could not rollback) were broken by the domain change, which is how I noticed it. I also had to manually clear my cookies, log out and re-login to fix the problem. Also, the way Wikia's authentication works, I could not log out until I manually cleared my cookies.
Someone from the technical side of needs to explain the reason for this change, because I don't buy that it is for technical reasons. I suspect it is for convenience and marketing. Even better would be a blog post on WoWWiki with the explanation and reasoning. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 26 May 2015 8:46 AM Pacific

Stub templates

Looks good. Do it. I may try to find a different icon for the NPC stub, but a hearthstone works for now. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 28 Jun 2015 10:10 AM Pacific

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