Bookkeepers (Pre-emptive Retcon task force)

Your Head Bookkeeper (ie, me) would like to remind you that any lore-shattering developments should be reported immediately, so I can secure the appropriate pages. I will NOT allow a repeat of the E3 Dranei Crisis. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Um, Dalaran is moving to Northrend. That bad? Kirkburn talk contr 05:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Not a retcon. plot twist. Slightly "out there" plot twist, as it implies that Malygos is still mad, but still. Floating city that looks like Istanbul made of amethyst... nope, can't see getting mad at blizzard for that one. Addendum: However, if they make Malygos killable, I think I'll have reached the end of my rope.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
No, Malygos wasn't suggested as killable as far as I remember. Red dragons + Alextrazsa will be helping to sort him out. I gotta spend some time seeing what is on the wiki as what isn't >< Kirkburn talk contr 21:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

its nice to know that rhonin might be the newly appointed leader of the Kirin Tor. He well deserved it. Finally the Knights of the Silver Hand is now controlled by Tirion Fordring who well deserved that as well. Barthilas made me so mad. Great to see him perish the way he did. I for one believe that Tirion will help the raid group fight the Lich King, and at the end either Arthas flees and drops a box or Tirion gives him the killing blow with ashbringer. I really dont think that malygos will be killable. Doubt alexstrasza would allow it. Another note, wow has been out for over 3 years now, dont you think people should age in game, such as anduin wrynn. I know he's just a boy, but he cant stay a boy forever. He will soon be old enough or mature to take the crown and show his face right? think about it.  '//ired 18:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


Why i'm blocked from the #wowwiki irc? ---Zizanzu 08:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Are you using Wikia's irc gateway? It was banned because we were seeing abuse from users joining just to spam Fiskert/c  09:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

The Wikia ban was preventive, its been after less than 48 hours. There is no active ban on #wowwiki atm. --Adys 18:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

WoWWiki development memories

I'm trying to remember now how none of us were admins at the time, yet we developed WoWWiki to give it structure and all we needed is an admin to check it off and "officialize" it. lol. I've never been a part of any other project with a similar capacity, and I'm not sure I ever will be again. I'll still be around intermittently, but I just wanted to maybe remind you of the good old days when we had to viciously combat spammers and more mildly correct the more innocent vices that people tend to have at times. As much as I don't want to go back to that time, I will probably always remember it fondly, and certainly with pride however misguided. Schmidt 02:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Nostalgia is a wonderful thing :) It certainly was ... fun ... times, and I hope that you continue hanging around as long as possible! Kirkburn talk contr 21:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I find it much more enjoyable to ban someone than frantically reverse their vandalism. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, frantically reverting stuff is how I got this job :) Kirkburn talk contr 00:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
You raise a good point. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, these good old days seem gone... I feel worthless, and like no edits of mine are half as good as some new people's are ¬¬.--K ) (talk) 12:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Don't be alarmed, that's how I've felt for months. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:02, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but you're among the ones who decide what's worthy and what isn't here. I daresay that, your job being harder than ours, you have less to fear for your status. Not that I belittle your responsiblity, though.--K ) (talk) 15:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


Can I get a shiny badge for making WoWWiki virtually spelling mistake free? :P Hawkspur 08:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I already gave you one! Check your talk page >< Kirkburn talk contr 08:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Not shiny enough imo. Hawkspur 08:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
So make yourself one! Template:User spelling or something like that! :P --Sky (t · c · w) 08:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

lol Kirkburn. Real shiny, that one. Schmidt 14:43, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Question regarding naming policy

I read the naming policy, and i don't see what i did wrong. I found this...

  • Any wiki contributor can move personal articles to the author's sub-page.
  • Authors can move them back if they wish to surrender control over the page. Make a note on the talk page that this is indeed the case so it does not get moved again.

It doesn't matter to me if people edit it, in fact, i want it to be like that so my guildmates or even the community can add their own stories. That was the whole point. It also kills the roleplay type vibe when you see the big USER:ZUMESTER/Zima Stonehammer

Settled over Irc by me. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 08:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating a New page.

Mind if I create a new page on the Mercenaries Arthas betrayed. Zarnks 21:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Front page dev

Howdy. Just dropping in to suggest two things. On my Firefox 1024, the Official Sites section is looking really crammed. Could we link the words to the website and then parens (forums)? Also, the advert that sometimes shows up on the right, could we center that in the box so it's a little more sexy?

I'll be getting off of work soon for an extended period of time, so maybe I can get back into regular editing. Peace, grease!--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 21:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Good idea! Done :) As for centering the advert, will mention it to the ad people. Can't really do it manually, as that would force the articles like playxpert to center as well.
And yay for your possible return! Kirkburn talk contr 21:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Far northern friend

I hope you know what you're doing...--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Ohnoes' Claims

Ohnoes, or TotalBiscuit, claims that Punchline's FEW SENTENCES were inaccurate posts on his personal WoWWiki entry. However, it was 'Ohnoes' posts that were extremely inaccurate and not at all factual. Just letting you know..--Punchline

If that was indeed TB, I am disappointed in him. To be honest, I don't care as much about whether the information is accurate, but that slander and harassment isn't encouraged. Kirkburn talk contr 21:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Slander (it's actually libel btw, it's written) has the absolute defense of truth, which is exactly what that information is. The fact of the matter is that Punchline has a history of causing drama, and deliberately stirring up trouble, as well as theft of intellectual property from other members of the community. He is a menace, not the e-cowboy he makes himself out to be. Ohnoes 22:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I understand, but this is still not the place to be playing out the drama. I'm all for keeping the WoW Radio article unbiased, so long as fights do not start anywhere on the wiki. Edit: damn, it is 'libel', not 'slander'. Not sure why I didn't notice when I wrote that! >_< Kirkburn talk contr 22:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I'll back off. My interest is solely in ensuring that the community is not further damaged by Punchline's previously malicious behavior, and that he does not attempt to simply pretend that it never happened Ohnoes 22:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

... TB, how can you call me a thief of intellectual property? Punchline 16:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

My talk page = not the place for this. This wiki = also not the place for this. Kirkburn talk contr 20:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I apologize, Kirkburn. Punchline 19:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Bot still running...

Hey there,
I'm still a bit busy with non-wow(wiki) stuff, but I just realized while doing some maintenance that my WoWWiki:Guild list bot is still up and running smoothly. I will keep it that way as long as you like (and I have my server).

So I'm off to hiding again ;) -watchout 14:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Yay and boo! :| Kirkburn talk contr 19:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Kirkburn

Might want to keep an eye on Adys, after all - all this was settled by you before he/she(it) started banning and deleting. Gods speed. -- CrashC 19:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Wowwikis "In other languages"

Dear Kirkburn,

In other languages 
Norsk (bokmål) <-----

The In-other-languages-list on the main page states that the Norwegian Wowwiki is using bokmål, "booktongue". However, we are using riksmål, so I was wondering if you could change it?

PS: I don't know if I will discuss this here. Adys informed me that he just “keeps me around” because he thinks I am entertaining. After taking into consideration his actions against me and the unpleasant incident on the IRC channel, I no longer feel that there is a prospect of a relationship based on mutual friendship and respect between Adys and me, which makes my efforts at Wowwiki futile. I would like to thank you for your understanding, and for the help you have offered me. Bear in mind that I will always visit your page from time to time, even if I won't involve myself directly in the Wiki’s work. Keep up the good work ;)

Best wishes


I can't find an option for that :( I think the no: link is by default bokmål. I can't really help further, but I would suggest visiting the #wikia channel and asking on there. Kirkburn talk contr 22:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Riksmål isn't a proper official language anymore, and anyway it differs so little from bokmål, it shouldn't make a difference O.o --User:Varghedin/Sig 12:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Ammo table

Hey, G! I added icons in the cheese, meat, fish and ammo pages, and noticed you changed the table on the ammo page in between my edits. Your table looks cleaner than mine, but I'd like to keep the item icons if possible... I didn't mean to completely overwrite your edits, I just did it in a hurry and my brain caught up with me after I hit edit. I can undo my edit later, got to run now. --User:Varghedin/Sig 12:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorted, and done the others too. Kirkburn talk contr 12:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, mate. Looks great --User:Varghedin/Sig 22:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Table CSS

Kirk, I've got some new CSS up on User:DuTempete/wowwiki.css and User:DuTempete/monobook.css. If you get the chance, this weekend, would you take a look? I added a hover bg change to darktable, and the nohover class as well. I've also put some CSS in for the colored tables like the one on Race. You can look at a model table I made at User:DuTempete/sandbox.

Thanks, dear! (*twitches at the thought of no IRC all weekend*)--DuTempete talk|contr14:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello Kickburn :P

The page Kobolds is citable, methinks. You agree? Garm 18:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

A friendly kobold. That does not count as a playable race, I doubt the NEs would raise an entire faction of kobolds.--SWM2448 18:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

CSS addition

Kirk, I'm following up what I mentioned on IRC. There is a yellow text used in-game on tooltips, for instance the flavor text on items, and debuffs, spells and talents. That color is hardcoded in a lot of places, and looks bad on monobook or other white backgrounds, so a class CSS would be helpful. The value is #FD0 --Piu (?!) 19:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


Is there a way, for a non adminsitrator like me to nominate people for adminstratorship? Mr.X8 01:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure, either just mention them here, or come onto the IRC channel and mention it either to any of the admins online or me if I'm around :) Kirkburn talk contr 02:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


Hi there! I'm afraid I have a little argument with Baggins right now, concerning the recent changes he made to several articles concerning the Scarlet Crusade, and it seems like we won't be able to solve this without other opinions. Usually I wouldn't bother you with something like that, but the Scarlet Crusade articles really mean a lot to me, and although I'm a big fan of the same sources he is using, I am under the impression the article's quality has been seriously hurt. :/ Maybe you can take a look and state your opinion if you think the changes he made are correct or not? The link to our discussion would be --Tulon 14:50, 13 September 2007

Help with my Wiki =)

Hey can u give me a hand to install the Template Tooltip in my wiki? I tried install it but lot of errors happened. The template and the page test. We use 1.10.2 media wiki.



Err... Boss-bot, why are the character infoboxes now off-white, making the white text impossible to read?--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

My apologies, a tiny error crept into the CSS. Should be fixed now! Kirkburn talk contr 21:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Not quite. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:46, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


Is something up with irc? I'm logging in but not seeing anyone else by myself.Baggins 02:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine for me! Kirkburn talk contr 03:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
must have been just a netsplit of the server you logged in to, those still happen sometimes. --Hurax 07:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


Hey, how this tooltip that appears when mouse is over a link that use the template loot?

sorry for the bad english

Javascript. Not sure how to make that work though. --Sky (t · c · w) 04:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Can't upload image - blank page

I'm trying to upload a map of LBRS, but all pages that link to the image become white. What's wrong?

--  Shandris  talk / contribs 13:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

It's too large, I think. Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

WoW Radio page

It is not acceptable for those who left under negative circumstances (ie. those that were fired) to advertise competitor links, especially those who took WoW Radio brand-name shows without WoW Radio's consent, on our Wiki-page. We reserve the right to remove them, it's not their page, and their reasons for leaving have absolutely no relevance, and are quite frequently misrepresented. If we cannot keep our WoW Radio page for WoW Radio shows only, then I will simply nuke the entire page. I'm sick to high heaven of other podcasts attempting to profit off of our hard-work. It's an epidemic that's happening all over the place and it needs to stop, NOW. User:Ohnoes 8th October 2007.

I think you misunderstand what a wiki is ... no-one "owns" articles. You are free to edit it as you wish, but so are others. Anyway, I have edited WoW Radio/OldShows with a possible compromise? Any good? Kirkburn  talk  contr 11:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Thinks it would be best if he didn't say anything. Also notes that the compromise looks like a fine one to him. --Sky (t · c · w) 11:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Boilerplat Preload Links

I like the boilerplate preload links (the links next to "This article is for: an ability - an item - a mob - etc." that are on the edit page. I am thinking about implementing the same thing on our wiki site but I have no idea how to accomplish this. Is this accomplished through an existing extension or did you guys custom code this using hooks? Or did you modify the actual mediawiki code? Any advice would be appreciated! Ahui 19:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Newarticletext shows the main code used. Smiley Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Kirkburn. Unfortunately, I don't know how this is embedded in the edit page. Where do you hook this code into ? Is there a .php class (if so which one?) or is there a better way to hook it in? Ahui 20:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
No special code - you should be able to edit that MediaWiki page on your wiki and add similar code. Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Death blow

I know that the strike was described as cowardly in the novel, but I took it out because it's still a biased viewpoint from only a few characters. Characters praise and attack certain actions all the time, but I don't usually see personal in-universe viewpoints included in articles. When I do, it's specifically stated and cited that it's thought by certain characters or factions. Since its inclusion adds little, if anything to the artile, I would like a specific justification for keeping it in.--Austin P 13:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


Sorry. I hit cut in the stead of copy.--SWM2448 22:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Greymane Wall

Why remove that? It was taken with Eagle Eye by standing at the gate it's hardly any sort of exploit. Change it back please, it's part of WoW so people should be allowed to see what is behind the wall.

Also right, you won't accept pictures which any lvl hunter who has Eagle Eye can take in a few seconds yet you would accept a line like this 'With the help of an epic mount and a bit of time, the other side of Greymane wall can be accessed on a live server without exploitation.' which hints to people there's a way into a place your not meant to be in? Explain that please.

Please think before you delete things. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darkodium (talkcontr).

Continued on User talk:Darkodium Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Picture on the front page

I never had the time to check that out =(

Do you have an archived version of the front page where I can see how it looked like? --  Shandris  talk / contribs 13:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's Main Page/FM/3, so just imagine what the main page would look like with that in Featured Media. :P --Pcj (TC) 14:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


I need something confirmed about the race capitalization policy. Does this apply when referring to a dragonflight (IE, Red Dragonflight) or are they meant to be capitalized? Another thing I wanted to confirm is whether or not the rule applies to dreadlord.--Austin P 22:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a tough one ... I'd suggest a Village pump question to see what people think. Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

By your command.--Austin P 23:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


I know this sounds silly but how can I change my signature so it looks cool like... your signature is pretty cool! :D Well... Thanks anyway! XP --The Lich King 18:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

WW:SIG should be able to help you :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much, even the Lich King himself must bow infront of you great "god"! /bow  :D --The Lich King 19:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

heh... I am really new to signature stuff... whats a signature code? >.<

User:Kirkburn/Sig3 for example. Kirkburn  talk  contr 21:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

retcon whiners and lore complainers

Can I please start banning them for creating an inhospitable work environment? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 15:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Popular pages

On the very left hand side of wiki there is a little window about mid way says popular. What generates that? That an auto thing or is that something you edit? If its something you edit do you think we should link ZA there maybe instead of kara? Laurly 08:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Manually edited, and I think that's fair :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 18:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


<insert dog smiley> --DuTempete talk|contr 19:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

<insert Bogie smiley>... boyfriend --DuTempete talk|contr 14:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


Sorry about adding spaces I didn't think it could be that bad, especcialy if it "fixed" 4 edit signs all in one place with a heading line through them. And once so wrong with a few spaces anyway?Geeko 08:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC) O yeah i didn't realize that till later when I started to look at it on my phone.Geeko 20:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Why d'ya get rid of colored bands?

They were kinda fun.--K ) (talk) 12:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the coding is somewhat of a mess, and doesn't support skin changes :( Kirkburn  talk  contr 13:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Very well, I guess that had to happen any day then...--K ) (talk) 21:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
You can hard code the stuff on your user page if you want, but I would like to remove those templates so as not to encourage their use. Kirkburn  talk  contr 21:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The greatest site on the Internets

Long time no see. =c) I looked over the Village Pump. Looks like you guys are doing some awesome stuff, even a couple things I noted in the Master Plan a while back. Keep up the great work; the site looks amazing, and it looks like it's moving in the right direction. // Montag (talk · contr) 21:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


What`s up with the info line issue?You`r replacing everybodys bands with an infoline. Airiph/T/C/B 02:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, I'm getting rid of the bands templates - they're not good for skin changing on the wiki. {{infoline}} can serve it's purpose for now. Kirkburn  talk  contr 02:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

?Wha-what?So whats happening to the bands? Airiph/T/C/B 02:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm ... getting rid of them? Infoline can serve their purpose for the moment. Kirkburn  talk  contr 02:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

So can we...color them.Sorry if Im bugging ya Airiph/T/C/B 02:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, seems I meant {{Band}} is the one that can do the colouring. Kirkburn  talk  contr 02:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

And they don`t work.=\ Airiph/T/C/B 02:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Look at {{band}}, it shows you how to use it. Kirkburn  talk  contr 02:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Ahh ok thanks! Airiph/T/C/B 02:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand why the color bands have been banned, and when (if possible) can we get them back?  IconSmall HighElf Male Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 01:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

He said they do not work in all skins of the wiki. Skins are different layouts and formats for the pages. Use the replacement.--SWM2448 01:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Infoline isn't a replacement, it's still a band by a different name :P At some point I'll phase band out entirely, since Ambox can replace it where it should be replaced. Having band has produced some awful guild pages. Users can continue to design their own stuff of course. Kirkburn  talk  contr 04:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Template Problem

I noticed the repeatable quest bars in all the reputation tables are broken (e.g. Thrallmar#Reputation, Sporeggar#Reputation). I'm not fluent enough with the template syntax to figure out what's wrong, though it looks like a problem with nested templates, since the bars for mobs that give rep don't have a problem. I noticed you had modified the template a few days ago, so I thought I'd bring it to your attention. Aidan 03:05, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Noted, and fixed. Was due to a change in Template:Questlong. Reverted and notified the editor. Thanks! Kirkburn  talk  contr 05:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

"Karen" page deleted?

Not cool. You needed to at least re-add the content to the linking page for the Server: Elune US realm.

It's one of the more famous forum events in WoW's history. Stillfresh 19:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


Sandwitchman and I spotted a vandal vandaliizng the Gnome page,Tauren page,night elf,a guild page,2 servers,and wont stop vandalizing our userpages!When you got online,check his contributions.User:Bob mcnormalguy Airiph/T/C/B 23:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

He's like a plague, he spreads and he comes back.  IconSmall HighElf Male Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 23:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

He technically called me a midget! And he misspelled "base" on my page!! <=*{}  IconSmall Gnome Male Ibbert T/C 00:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Use your wowwiki.js and wowwiki.css

Hey Kirkburn,
can we use your wowwiki.js and wowwiki.css and all the graphics (no screenshots, only the icons) from here for our german WoWWiki on Wikia?
Thanks in advance Slashimport 12:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 02:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


How many World of Warcraft Characters wore Capes?(SmashingPumpkins1 07:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC))

Unless you're prepared to go out and count them, I'm afraid we really don't know. Good taste in music by the way. ;) ---- Battlegroup RoundIconVorbis AvailablequesticonTalk ActivequesticonContribs 10:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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