More useless work for the botters, wee!

I made it when I saw again the one you used on your userpage. Try that: {{Wwclub|5000|img=5000Club_sealKBPNG.png|descr=No|float=center}}. --Adys 23:26, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

why not make the template easier with: {{Wwclub|<edits>|<adjective>}} resulting in: This member is a <adjective> member of the <edits> club and showing Image:<edits>club image. Just a thought :)
-watchout 12:29, 22 March 2007 (EDT)


Can we finally make that policy? Or something? It seems to have been forgotten (Option 2 won).--Sky (t · c · w) 01:32, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

It says ratified, it's just implementation now I think, so I guess you may just go ahead and implement :) You also can file a bot request, because it may be automated, but I'm not too sure if it's possible. -watchout 05:24, 23 March 2007 (EDT)


Can work wonders on wiki spelling corrections :P Hawkspur 02:26, 27 March 2007 (EDT)


Very thanks to fix lang to me, i tried but doesnt work, so i create one, sorry if it do any problem. Thanks again, if possible link my wiki in Main Page =) Sorry for the english


Epic template

What's the red star for?? --  Shandris  talk / contribs 04:00, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Did you read the code you removed? Kirkburn talk contr 11:13, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
Not really, please do tell what's the point of it. --  Shandris  talk / contribs 08:23, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
normal link: blue/unused link:red - if you lootify rare stuff, you can't tell the difference anymore -so the red star indicates: "blue item that hasn't been created"  Flotsam | (talk / contr 09:50, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
Lootify rare stuff? I'm lost... "Blue item not created"? The item is purple, epic, what u're talking about? No blue here. --  Shandris  talk / contribs 09:01, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
Actually, it is to signify that the template it uses needs to be updated/replaced. A tooltip should show saying that when you mouse over it. The code you removed also said that. Kirkburn talk contr 09:10, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

unused images

Is there a reason that you have every single one of the infobox nopics I need, and have never told me? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:05, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Uh. I didn't realise you didn't know? :) I was just categorising them anyway. Kirkburn talk contr 00:07, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
I'll go hog-wild tomorrow. Do you know how many elves are using female human nopics? Or how many high/blood elf males use the male night elf nopic? oh, the shame! --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:13, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
Eek! I'd meant to get around to this earlier - I didn't realise they're actually from last October :/ Kirkburn talk contr 00:14, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
Excuse me. I need to send a well-aimed curse in the specific direction of Weremagnus. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:16, 29 March 2007 (EDT)


what are your plans?--Sky (t · c · w) 21:53, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Resolved over IRC. DNP content as personal biography, heavily disputed, therefore removed. Kirkburn talk contr 22:04, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

This page has reoccured and contains inaccuracies. All the information posted on his page by Ohnoes was accurate and factual. If you do not wish this information to be on WoWWiki, then nuke the entire entry, since Punchline's 'self-written' biography is inaccurate. Ohnoes 18:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)Ohnoes.

He can say what he likes (within reason) on his own page. This isn't a site for "calling out" people. You can have your page as a subpage of your own (assuming he does not complain/you have proof), but you can't go editing his own stuff. Kirkburn talk contr 19:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

This user is known to have a personal vendetta against WoW Radio and as you are well aware, posted actionable slander on WoWWiki previously, as well as polluted various entries with misinformation or personal bias. Since he is, it would seem, continuing to vandalize WoW Radio related wiki entries, I would suggest that the administrators keep a closer eye on him. Personally I find it rather despicable that this child continues to try and make out that he is something more than a troublemaker and dramaqueen but that's simply personal opinion, I prefer to deal in facts and actual events. Ohnoes 22:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

What a coincidence TB! I prefer facts and actual events too! That's why I edited the WoW Radio WoWWiki entries with factual information. --Punchline 18:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

You have new messages

This is a message. PS: I hate you :P --Adys 06:42, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

The worst part is that my session had expired and I wasn't even logged in. *shakes fist* Amro 10:01, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
This got me a couple of times when checking Kirks talk page :( <Kiltek> blah / spam 10:14, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
It just got me too. Kitan T / C / B 15:20, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Kirkburn. You suck. In case you hadn't noticed, April Fools was 3 days ago.--Sky (t · c · w) 20:12, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Not to mention it's bad luck! After 12pm on 1st April you're not supposed to do or sustain any joke or "April Fools" <Kiltek> blah / spam 04:16, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
It's not an April Fools cause I added it here afterwards ... it just annoys people ;) Kirkburn talk contr 07:40, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
Haha.. if only it could direct to a page and automatically log who's been got by it and how many times! That would be truly annoying! <Kiltek> blah / spam 07:44, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
You almost got me. Again. grrr.--Sky (t · c · w) 19:12, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Can KitanBot get flagged please?

I plan on trying to run him tonight and you seem to be asleep when I am able to log in, 7:30p.m. US Central Time. I will be on IRC tonight but can't during the day due to the firewall. (edit) I have had the bot scan the Whatlikshere pages for the templates to be replaced. The bot has a set, no repeats, of just over 4000 pages so I definately don't want to run it without bot status. I will just wait until that gets figured out. :) Kitan T / C / B 15:20, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Kirkburn has (briefly) left the building

Well, he left yesterday :P I'm away for the weekend! Not sure how much I will be around next week, but after that I should be back to normal / not doing my Uni work. If anything big comes up, leave a msg on here for me to find out :) Thanks! Kirkburn talk contr 16:14, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

He's back :) Kirkburn talk contr 14:34, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo --  D ♠ T ♣ C ♦ I ♥ WP 15:18, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
You're such a vandal! Kirkburn talk contr 15:37, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
And he almost stole your sig! --Sky (t · c · w) 16:31, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
Almost? Kirkburn talk contr 16:36, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
He inverted the colors. :)--Sky (t · c · w) 16:50, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Fake Files?

Check out my recent contribs concerning two images, for speedydelete - I have a feeling these are fake/malicious files; considering the mime type doesnt match the extension! <Kiltek> blah / spam 07:46, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Deleted :) Kirkburn talk contr 08:50, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

I am speechless

Literally and utterly and completely speechless. I just plain have no idea what to say, other than I feel completely stabbed in the back (especially since the whole SoL 'vs WoWWiki' thing was over ages ago): Kirkburn talk contr 21:27, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

I guess I will never be visiting SoL again until they are able to cope with the possibility of differing opinions like we manage so well here. We do not ever, ever ban people for having dissenting views, or for coming from certain websites. People are only ever banned for vandalism or continuously violating our policies (the latter only resulting in very short suspensions). If I found any admin to conduct themselves in the way that some members of SoL have, they would have their privileges immediately revoked. You do not ban someone because you disagree with them.

There is absolutely nothing preventing people from belonging to both communities - in fact it is my hope that some manage it. It seems the main problem is that some don't quite understand how a wiki works - having a giant ego will win you no friends here. If you have a problem with an article, discuss it or at least provide a reason for your edit.

I do hope this is of interest to readers from whereever they come. Kirkburn talk contr 22:00, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

I don't get it... Are you mad that they called you Kickbum, or that they said you were dead, or both? --SWM2448 22:11, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
OH! You got banned! Ouch. They're jerks.--SWM2448 22:12, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
Without reason or notification. I didn't mind the name calling, apparently it's something that they do. Kirkburn talk contr 22:13, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Apparently one suggestion is that I may have deleted my account. I haven't the faintest idea how to even think of doing that - I didn't know it's even possible (nor would I want to) :/

If any members from SoL read this, I do not think that everyone in the community is 'bad', not at all, I just wish you'd stop being so anti-WoWWiki for little good reason. I'm not anti-SoL (this latest charade notwithstanding), and I really wanted to improve relations. Maybe I'll try again in the future.

Also, note that I really don't believe WoWWiki is 'perfect' or infallible (or mine!), as most people here know. The wiki is all about working together, so I can understand that it is difficult for some to come from a forum (where adversarial attitudes are often the order of the day) to here where you just can't spend your days making controversial edits. You may have discussed it at length elsewhere, but we don't know that, so you have often to discuss it here too or at least leave a summary note. Anyway, this wiki isn't a closed community, and absolutely anyone is welcome to do stuff here or join the IRC channel - just try not to rock the boat too much, because it just makes people sea-sick. Smiley Kirkburn talk contr 02:22, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

I didn't really see anything that would warrant you being banned (Especially since you didn't even create the thread to begin with. Alas, I think people are just too closed minded to accept different views on an issue. Personally, I think it goes to show how immature that community really is.   Steelclash  Talk / Contributions 14:29, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

He didn't get banned, it was a glitch —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Markellion (talkcontr).

I relize that this is an old thread but the fools DARED use 300 quotes with no understanding sickens me ...*shuder* tHE MESSANGER PIT A "WELL" I THINK NOT!!!!!111<shiftone>grrrScorpx2 02:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)scorpx2

Uh, perhaps I should talk to these SoL people? I am sure we could work something out for you togheter ;) Anyway, what do you think about my new project: The Quill?
File:The quill4.png
(Note: I got my account back, I'm just not posting there any more) Kirkburn talk contr 18:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm the Omacron that posts on those boards, feel free to ask me anything or if you need me to relay messages for you. Omacron 19:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The 300 quotes were funny. A lot of us are elitists, but most of us have spent over a year chatting together daily on that forum so it's to be expected. Elitism is only us liking the lore and taking it seriously. We have some good laughs, and a few exceptions aside, I'd like you guys to know that the whole animosity thing is mostly fabricated. Sure there are some who don't like Wowwiki, but that isn't that big a deal. There are some here who don't like Scrolls of Lore. Fine. It goes both ways. We have a handful of members who contribute to Wowwiki and are a part of this community too. I visit Wowwiki regularly myself, and fix up some things too. One last thing; random Wowwiki posters logging onto Scrolls of Lore to gain brownie points defending this site are not necessary. Don't do that. Anyway, yours truly. --Timolas 19:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I know. I didn't want it brought up again and specifically told people as such. Glad to hear you feel okay about contributing to both sites :) Kirkburn talk contr 23:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Please ask Voluspa to get the hell out of there if all he intends to do is provoke even MORE conflict and arguement. It's the same old story all over again. --Timolas 15:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

my pleasure

well, not exactly that, but you know what I mean ;) - Nathanyel 07:03, 22 April 2007 (EDT)


Our latest lore tool: Oh, and I also need to talk to you about non-editorial comments on talk pages.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:52, 25 April 2007 (EDT)


Looks v nice! What's up with the comments problem? Kirkburn talk contr 06:19, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
Shall I begin transplantation, then?
I think we need a more rigid talk page policy. As it stands, only a handful of pages have "non-editorial comments will be removed" banners, and there are all sorts of comments on the pages. I just think we need to have a clearer convention or policy on this. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 09:12, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Editing doesn't work

Hi! can't use the buttons to edit (link button, bold button, etc). It says Error on page. What's wrong? --  Shandris  talk / contribs 12:02, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Still a problem? Working fine for me! Kirkburn talk contr 06:20, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
Yes, still a problem, nothing happens when I use the diting interface =( --  Shandris  talk / contribs 13:07, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
This is a problem for me too using the newest version of Opera. On Explorer, it's working fine, and also on older versions of Opera. Not sure if there's anything that can be done about it on our side. --User:Varghedin/Sig 11:09, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

Bot Stuff

The other day, on irc, you said that there "will always be bot work" for the wiki or some such. That is just paraphrasing. Anyway I don't see any projects not spoken for. If you have something specific in mind please feel free to ask. I am still getting to know how a wiki community works and don't want to just start changing things willy nilly or some such. I don't want to put this page on my watch list and get emailed a kabillion times so please drop a note on my talk page. :-P Kitan T / C / B 15:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Mikkbot re-activated

Let's see what happens..... Mikk (T) 23:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Dear Sir,

You have my sincerest apology from the bottom of my heart. It was not my intent to infringe your regulations on editing articles; – I thought the debate was ended, and that I had the liberty to incorporate my own stances and suggestions in the mage article. I have recently been informed that you sanctioned a ban against me because of this, a ruling which I oppose. It is my conviction to favour dialogue over conflict; – you should have notified me and we could have talked this over. Putting me on your 'most wanted list' was not very nice¨. I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Yours Faithfully,

Teabingh 05:11, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

This had nothing to do with me. /sigh Kirkburn talk contr 11:18, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

That cake looks unhealthy...

Why do you have a picture of a cake on top of your discussion page? Teabingh 15:34, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

For my birthday, a while back :P Removed! Kirkburn talk contr 15:32, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

No bot

i did all of the edits by hand, i just saw that they were incorrect and fixed them, if i was wrong in that sorry —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ahkren (talkcontr).

Nope, that's fine! :) Kirkburn talk contr 21:50, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

not sure what to do

about GSDKP user, been throwing up his link on a ton of pages (spent 45 min removin them already this morning as he continues to do it) bunch of times in the middle of the page. His link on all the ones i remvoed contained nothing but the loot that was already on the Wiki, done quite nicely i might add. all of this in violation of the WW:EL think you could speak with him or something. I don't want to put him on the vandal list but i don't want to spend all this time cleaning up his mess either. IconSmall Draenei FemaleRESKAR(Contr) 13:24, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

GSDKP adds those links early in PTR testing usually, before the wiki has the loot listed (like the kael page). I think they're fine as long as the wiki lacks the data, but after the wiki is filled in... I dunno. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 17:29, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
As was requested of me, I left a note on his page regarding the fact that he rarely placed his links in the required external links section. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:53, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
the ones i removed yesterday were mostly from karazan (he was adding them as i was removing the previous one, all addtions were that day) and all the ones i removed contained no new info that was not already on the wikki(just a listing of loot that was already listed on the page).IconSmall Draenei FemaleRESKAR(Contr) 14:54, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

If someone has been notified about WW:EL and continues to ignore it (or is obviously attempting to advertise), you are allowed to remove such links :) Kirkburn talk contr 15:26, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

by the way almost all the quests in the eastern plaugelands section are elinks I have utterly no clue if they should be removed whether or not I have the right to and well quite frankly I am far to lazy do do it myself anyway and therefore prezent you with a questgiver exclamation mark as quests are realy just things you are asked to do by people who are too lazy to do it themselves (quoted from a pennyarcade).Scorpx2 02:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)scorpx2

You mean Eastern Plaguelands? Helps to include a link. Anyway, I see only one section of elink quests, and yes those should be changed to use {{questlong}}. If those links are red the thott link can remain after the template... like this: Neutral 15 [56] Scarlet Subterfuge [1] TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 03:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


My new draenei hunter has hit exalted with Stormwind! ... at level 35 Emot-neckbeard

No PvP, only one wool hand-in and one silk hand-in. Don't believe me? Icon-armory-18x18 The Armory never lies ...

Now I just have to reach 40 to get my horsie :P Kirkburn talk contr 04:44, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

My Draenei is getting close with darny... Icon-armory-18x18 Mishutka (Area 52 US) TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 06:33, 10 May 2007 (EDT)


Dear Kirkburn, theres this really gross thing on the lineage about races. It's under the tauren lineage thing. It's really gross and since you're an administrater could you get rid of it?

What page is this on? (sign your posts, please) --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:49, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Kirkburn, I need help. Someone has been editing my fan fiction and this time theyve gone too far! In the past, its theyve actually helped me because I knew I had some typos I was going to fix but I put it off till the next day. Someone fixed it for me. Among other things they havent been bad till now someone put a huge picture of something on my fanfiction. I dont know who put it there or how too get rid of it. I hope you can help, (Mr.X8 14:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC))

Dear Kirkburn, This is very urgent so I hope you read this soon. I have around 20 pictures on my main page. Around 19 of those I need to to get permission so they can stay there. I dont know how to get permission or who to get permission from. Since you are an administrator can you give me permission to keep them. Another thing, will I be marked a vandal for having the pictures. I hope not. Hoping you can help, Mr.X8 21:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

They are yours to use, Mr. X8, just so long as you do not claim them for your own. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 22:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes! So do I like put a Sources page on where I got them from?

As the images state who uploaded them, I guess there's no need to :) -- Nathanyel 06:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, thats good now I can get rid of the sources page. Mr.X8 23:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I'd like your thoughts on the matter of Delete/Talk. See my latest reply at User_talk:Sky2042. Pzychotix 01:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't take a shaman player

To realize that he was controversial, and that cherry-picking a positive response isn't remotely reflective of his reputation. Shem 18:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't cherry picking, you just originally removed the valid WI links. Kirkburn talk contr 19:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Un WoWWiki Contactable?

Excuse me Kirkburn, sir, I was wondering if there was any way to contact you that isn't thru WoWWiki. I would like to to discuss another user that has been harrassing me and would like to discuss this with some privacy. Thank you very much. FieryAxel 20:37 20 May 2007 (EST)

--FieryAxel 00:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

You can find his contact info at , or in the various IRC channels said on this page and his user page. However, I believe that you're blowing this out of proportion. Pzychotix 00:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
IRC is by far the best way of contacting me. My email responsiveness is ... not great. Kirkburn talk contr 10:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


I just LOVE how you call me on crossing the line the moment I do it, but it takes Baggins a page and a half of doing it before you consider that maybe he's doing it. Nice. Parqual Fintalas 18:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

This is because I am talking to Baggins outside of the wiki :P I apologised for my earlier pseudo-attack, but apparently you didn't notice. At no point does it ever make it okay to respond in kind. Kirkburn talk contr 18:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed your apology, and I got off your case. And I'm not going to say I had a right to cross the line, but obviously being reasonable and direct about it didn't seem to be accomplishing anything. And when in Rome... Parqual Fintalas 20:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Look, both of you need to cool your jets. If this is how bad you are over one image, what's going to happen when the new race for the next expansion is unveiled, hmm? Bottom line, no, the image hasn't been definitively stated as depicting Tyrande and Furion, but analysis and evidence strongly suggests that it is.
Hence, the image will stay in the article, which is in fact the whole point of this mess. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I didn't wish to make a decision without you there (to make it!), hence not stopping the discussion earlier. Perhaps I should have, but there was always more to say! :) Kirkburn talk contr 00:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thottbot / Allakhazam

From wikipedia:IGE, the story's all very confusing.

Apparently from what I can tell, "RPG Holdings was created as a new company that owns all MMO-fansite assets."[2] Thott was snapped up a bit of time before that, and Allakhazam was bought out later. However, what's confusing is that on the wikipedia page, it says that "IGE has since been sold by its current parent (Affinity Media)..." but this says that "Affinity Media continues to own Allakhazam. Brock Pierce, aka Rosemary's Baby, still owns Affinity Media and Allakhazam."

I'm guessing somewhere along the line, RPG Holdings LLC got bought out or was owned by Affinity Media in the first place. As I said, it's all messed up, and I'm trying to weave together a story with what I can muster up. Pzychotix 13:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

There's a lot of (intentional) misinformation out there, and it's nigh-on impossible to wade through :( Kirkburn talk contr 14:17, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Northrend Map

Hi Kirkburn,

you did sent me a message where you stated that the source of this image it unkown, and that might be true. second you told me that we should not decide whatever this map is fan-created or not, and I also agree with this. But in your version of the map you state that the map is made by blizzard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bas (talkcontr).

Can you link me an example? It certainly shouldn't say that anywhere! Kirkburn talk contr 14:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC), I would suggest changing the text to something like "the source of this image is unknown so we don't know this map is fan-made or official" User:Bas 17:13, 5 june 2007
It says "Possible in-game map of Northrend (the original source of this map is unknown, and it may be fan created)" ... I don't see much difference, except the latter is written in a formal tone. Kirkburn talk contr 14:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
well my apologies then must have made a mistake reading it then --Bas 14:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Rest assured, we do not wish to make a pronouncement on its validity until we have proof either way :P Can seem odd to some, but it's how we work :) Kirkburn talk contr 14:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi Kirkburn, I wanted to get your thoughts on something. I am trying to figure out which games coming out this year people are most excited for.. so Wikia can set up wikis for those games. Vlad suggested running a poll on wowwiki and I thought that was a great idea. Do you guys have any kind of poll or rating extension? If not, perhaps I could just make a list and let people add points next to the game they are voting for. Tt would be great to link to the page from a page that gets alot of traffic (perhaps the homepage). What do you think? angies 21:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The CM song

^ 'Why did you delete it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kos (talkcontr).

Probably because the CM song is a flame video against CMs...
 ∙ Zurr  TalkContr 04:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
That, and it wasn't notable. Kirkburn talk contr 05:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Where's the flames? Just have a look at it; it isn't flaming anyone. Oh, Kirkburn, what kind of English do you speak? RP or Estuary English? Kos 11:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Hertfordshire :P The video had about 200 views when I looked at it last night - I think that pretty much answers it. Kirkburn talk contr 12:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
The video is a bit.... NSFW and quite offensive with just the images themselves. I don't think we need that type of stuff here. Pzychotix 14:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Ever heard of irony? But whatever... Kos 07:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's a direct translation: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kos (talkcontr).

Hello ugly!
Hey Even
Wanna go for a ride?
Sure, Even.
Hah! Forget it!
I am an ugly girl
My body is pompous
Not attractive
Never had a mate
Vomit-green hair
Enormous legs
Skin like Ronald Reagan
I look like Jan Teigen
Keep Grethe Rhode on your mind
I am ugly and fat
I look like a potato
Not prima
Worse than Hiroshima
No one else gets as much lip hair as me
You must use a knife because razors don’t work
I am big
I am heavy
I look like a mountain
I have warts and acne
Well, name me Kjell
Smells repulsive and sweat 
You have never been light
Your arse stretches from Oslo to Drammen
Do you want?
Wanna stroke?
If I want to be yours forever?
I am an ugly girl
With legs like Gundun Jøs
Big ham
Never heard of make-up
Can’t stand mirrors – in them there are only mistakes
Eating old bread to decrease my weight
I have hair under my arm and I am quite dotty
My boobs have been treated with an iron
Go away, leave me!
You will never be a model
Thank you very much for a ruined night
Take me now!
I am yours
If you turn the light off I’ll even look good!
I have not enjoyed this, Even!
Well, Goosehild, your life’s just begun.
I hate you! I hate you!
Frankly, I don't care. Kirkburn talk contr 09:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Ironic, not whiney ;)

anyway, yours sounds better *goes back to enjoy the ability while it lasts* - Nathanyel 16:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Heh, have fun! Kirkburn talk contr 16:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


Dear Kirkburn, I recently had some fan art made and it was named BloodElf. When I went to add text to it, a different pic came up. Apparantly theres more then one pic named BloodElf. How can I rename it? Mr.X8 23:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Why not rename your own picture instead? Kos 16:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


Fan-Fiction is not allowed in the nominations are they?

Kirkburn's away for a while. I can't see why fan-fics can't be nominations, as long as they show a high quality of style, and follow the guidelines for a WW:FA. However, an extra criteria would probably present itself: does the lore presented in it make sense? I don't think we really want feature articles about the story of a puppy rising against Arthas and taking him down with a single blow. But if the fan-fic is very well written, and actually can be tied into current lore (no major contradictions), I'd say sure. (Not to be rude or anything, but most of the fanfic written on here don't meet the very basic standards of editing.) Pzychotix 03:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

More bots!

Can you mark User:Foxbot as a bot user? Mainly {{tooltip}} making related changes at the moment, and noticed that it does spam the RC list a bit. :) -- Starlightblunder 23:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. Kirkburn talk contr 02:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Check out my new sig!

I've seen several users that have signatures like that. How is it done? Must one have certain privelidges to use titles like that? 11:33, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

  • basically, what is the raw code you place to reference your template?

Nevermind, I got it! Sophia™talk contr 14:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

My Contributions

Like all Wikipedia's they require an intrastructure. I noticed that this Wiki can use many of the time template used in Wikipedia for tickers, feed, and time assets. Invision 19:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Well it is best to add them when needed. If they aren't going to be implemented, they really don't need to be here. --GRYPHONtc 19:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
All Wiki's of this format have interchangable infrastructures so that they may share information as well as import and export content and format. These templates I am adding will facilitate interwiki information systems. I've been talking with the WikiProject World of Warcraft about finding a way to import some of the content such as key concepts to the English Wikipedia. These templates will help here as well as there. Invision 19:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Please continue on User talk:Invision. Kirkburn talk contr 19:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


I've just finished work on a new bot for pulling in Armory profile data (so that people don't have to keep their character lists up-to-date manually if they don't want to). Could you flag it as a bot? // DarkRyder / Gossipgossipicon / Trainergossipicon // 18:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

First things first, I'm going to test it out :) Kirkburn talk contr 18:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
And with good cause! Apparently, WoWWiki doesn't throw 404s for non-existent articles and so APB was all set to post an empty table for you.  :-)
I've fixed that now and the new code is posted. Currently, I'm running the bot in "non-posting" mode. If you want to see the results show up in the wiki, just let me know and I'll let it post. // DarkRyder / Gossipgossipicon / Trainergossipicon // 18:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, what the heck. Looks like we've got several people interested in seeing this and the tests keep coming back good. I'm going to push a manual update. // DarkRyder / Gossipgossipicon / Trainergossipicon // 20:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
It didn't do mine :( Kirkburn talk contr 20:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
That is because you, sir, found another bug. The bot now correctly handles slashes in the usernames list. I'll re-run it. // DarkRyder / Gossipgossipicon / Trainergossipicon // 21:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks! Kirkburn talk contr 21:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


I have pictures from the beta in witch he is name Karsius the Ancient Watcher but from the town I am now I'm unable to upload them. Shall you patrol? N'Nanz 00:51, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by unable to upload? Kirkburn talk contr 01:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Can't modify firewall configuration. N'Nanz 10:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Here there is the link So Karsius the Ancient Watcher, not Karsius the ancient Keeper. N'Nanz 09:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Wrong link... That's better N'Nanz 19:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


I don't play Alliance, so I never heard that ram sound ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nathanyel (talkcontr).

Conversely, I still need to get a Hordie to 40 someday :) Kirkburn talk contr 15:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

THE Lightbringer doesn't serve purpose anymore - obsolete

I took the liberty of removing it as I made it obsolete when I moved my lines, although modified, to "Last name?", where a new discussion was sparked. As Ragestorm said when refering to my post that I removed; "It doesn't make sense", and it is true, it doesn't, I agree with that. What I have written now is pretty much what I meant to write ages ago, not the hastily written post that I deleted (I wrote it late at night and my (English language) head doesn't work when I'm tired). I do not see why Ragestorm would have trouble with what I did. It is only two posts (the other is mine in any case) of which the first doesn't make sense, and the other doesn't serve any purpose alone. No real, major discussion was removed, and I hope that (and don't see why it would) this won't cause a war now that I have made my reasons clear. Regards, --Theron the Just 04:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough :) I made the original move because I did a quick Google for it, and it came up showing "the" in several places. However, givent he name of the NPC, etc, I think it's fair to move back. Kirkburn talk contr 18:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Using fanart in infoboxes versus using non-fanart pictures

Some time ago we had a little argument in Uther Lightbringer article over the use of fanart pictures in the infoboxes. Well, you said that it is not a good idea, yet I disagree with this. Yes, I understand that infoboxes should have art that is related to Blizzard somehow (Metzen, RPGs, Sunwell ect), yet because there are so many things that lack this official or more official art, and many of the fanart pictures are absolute eye candy (no disrespect meant to any fanartist. I personally can't draw ****) I belive that it is a good idea to use fanart in infoboxes too. Also, given that one of the moderators, Baggins, recently added the VERY good fanart picture of Anduin Lothar (Respect Pulyx, respect! :S) in the article's infobox, I belive that we need to discuss this in any case. Regards, --Theron the Just 06:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

No he didn't. Someone overwrote the image that was there - Image:Lothar.jpg. So, still, no fanart in infoboxes, please. Kirkburn talk contr 06:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Bah, given the quality of the art, and that it's taken directly from WoW, I'm going to relent. it can stay :) Kirkburn talk contr 06:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Community disagreements about Progression formatting.


I've encountered a situation on this website whereby I see part of the community wants a Server Progression page sorted in chronological order, and the other wants it alphabetized. Lately we've seen the page changed back and fort a few times, i.e. Argent Dawn Server Progression.

I'd imagine that this is likely where the Discussion page comes into play, but in the case where changes are made avoiding the page all-together, who arbitrates a solution to these sorts of disagreements? Obviously trying to avoid confusion and magical overnight page changes here.

--Yuma 20:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Posted on [[Talk:Server:Argent Dawn US/Guild Progression]] Kirkburn talk contr 21:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Kirkburn, let's say that the page continually changes back and forth in presentation format (it has three times so far), is there some sort of final decision making authority within WoWWiki if the modifying parties won't discuss the changes on the Discussion forums?
--Yuma 22:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Yup - the admins :) Kirkburn talk contr 22:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Roger, will keep you posted if this continues to happen, but I'd be willing to bet it will.
--Yuma 23:06, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Changed back again without discussion by a user named "Azgul." Can we get a final decision, whichever way, to finalize this matter?
--Yuma 12:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

little pet peeve

can you edit the undo summary to "Undo revision $1 by [[Special:Contributions/$2|$2]] ([[User talk:$2|talk]])"? --Sky (t · c · w) 09:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Done TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 09:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
And can you add User:Mikaka to WoWWiki:RC/Skip? --Sky (t · c · w) 09:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Done. The bot did some weird stuff recently, so gonna tell Mikk when I see him. Kirkburn talk contr 15:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sylvanas's article changes.

Hello. You just posted me about the changes on Sylvanas article and I was trying to figure out how to reply. Anyways, thanks for the information. What I wanna know about the article is.. Is that main image from it, an official artwork from Blizzard? Cause if is not, I don't see why I shouldn't replace it for a more expressive and loyal to the Sylvanas's character one.

--Dragão 19:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it's from the Trading Card Game. Will get it checked. Kirkburn talk contr 19:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Its the trading card image, and ya I dislike it too... I prefer metzen's image myself...Baggins 06:48, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I checked on Google and it's from the TCG. Now let me ask you something, how you know the images from the TCG aren't Fan Arts as well? In case you don't know, Magic: The Gathering TCs were made by hundreds of different persons. That's Magic I mean, I dont know about the Warcraft ones, that's why I asked.


The difference with TCG is are the cards are authorized and published by Blizzard. The TCG is an official Blizzard product. Yes the art is drawn by lots of different artists, but the work was authorized to be on the cards by Blizzard themselves, thus becoming copyrighted to them.Baggins 07:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Just cause an image were published by Blizzard It doesn't make it more original or authorized than other image. The difference is the publish. nothing else, in my point of view. And since this is an open and free website, all opinions shall be read and discussed.


Er, if something is published by Blizzard, that is the definition of being authorized and official. Kirkburn talk contr 20:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say it wasn't, did I? What I said is, that the image be copyrighted, authorized and published doesn't make it more authentic to the Sylvana's character from all games (including WoW), than any other Fan Art. The difference is that it was copyrighted and published that's all. In my point of view, there are better and "more-loyal" to the character artworks of her than the actual one, and we should choose the one which represents Sylvanas best as the its official character in all games from the Warcraft series. And that again, in my point of view, is the Lament of Highborne image. What do you say about that?


Fan artwork is still not official. I don't care how amazing it is, putting non-official artwork as the main image of a character is just not going to happen. There's not much more to say than that. Kirkburn talk contr 20:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Though you are welcome to vote for which official artwork you like the best, ragestorm has said if the consensus likes one of the other official pieces better, he'd be willing to accept it int he racebox.Baggins 21:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Are you a registered employ of Blizzard or something Kirkburn? Cause the way you expressed yourself it looked like you were in charge here or something. Can you show me your badge or license? Cause if not you're just a normal visitor as anyone else here, and has the same vote power as me :). About the policy of the website, I didn't see nothing in the license when I created my account, that tells you can't vote or even change the images of the website if you're not meaning to vandalize or ridicule the official history, characters, etc. of Blizzard.


He is in charge. He is an Admin, nay, a Bureaucrat of the wiki.--SWM2448 22:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I do not mean to sound like I am not open to discussion, but this has come up a lot - so my apologies for any harshness in my response. As Baggins says, I have helped run the wiki for over a year, and one of the critcisms that comes up is that fan fiction could once prominently find its way into articles - having fan created images as the first image someone sees of a character article would certainly not give us an air of authority. Kirkburn talk contr 22:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Kirkburn - Yeah, It's ok. I tought it was a free open website, so everyone had the same power and free will to edit articles, and etc., as long you not injuryng the official stuff of Blizzard. I tought that because it's how it it works on Wikipedia. But Ragestorm sent me a message explaining you're one of the administrators of this website.


Now this one goes to Adys - Hey idiot freak, since I can't find a way to answer in your own profile, I'll have to post it here. - First of all) The only ones being "arrogant and pricky" on here were Kirkburn on this, and now you. But he apologized himself. I just replied asking him if he was an employ of Blizzard, cause I tought this site was projected by the official company Blizzard Entert., just like Wikipedia by Google, and found out he is an admin., and that there's an admin. crew of this website. - Second) I tought too, people had the same power to freely express what they think it's better to the articles or website, and freely edit the same (just like Wikipedia). I didn't know there were such policies as prohibiton of free-will edition, as long you not injurying the original works of Blizzard. Tought it was something like good sense of people to vote or choose an image who fits well to the original works of Blizzard. - Third and last) - You can ban me if you want, then pick your "Sucefully complete action" and stuck it right up your ass, cause I really dont give a shit dorky "almighty" ass, haha :D. You can go fuck yourself, idiot dorky "almighty" freak lazy ass, if you think just cause you're an admin. you can talk to me like that, useless piece of shit.

Repass this to him, or don't erase or edit this message until he reads it please. --Dragão

I'm reading, and I'll see you next year --Adys 16:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
An interesting read, certainly. Pity that:
  1. Wikipedia is not affiliated with Google.
  2. Wikipedia is not a democracy, nor does it run on absolute free-will or the freedom to edit as one pleases (and neither does this website). What wikis have are consensus, policies and guidelines.
  3. This ain't Wikipedia.
  4. Random threats over the internet have little meaning to me.
I am very sorry if this is your reaction to others who disagree with you, but such is life. Kirkburn talk contr 17:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Arthas's article.

Hey person, I saw you edited again an article I changed. First, I'd like to know why. Second, having that in mind, I guess you probably disliked the changes I made, so... I'll wait for an answer so we can come up with a deal that please both sides.

--Dragão 06:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Already answered on your talk page ... Kirkburn talk contr 16:45, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

No you didn't, all you did was send me an Auto-message of Welcome to WoWWiki saying "you" prefer Authorized Artwork from Blizzard on the info boxes, than other Artworks. I agree with that too, the change I did on Arthas was an official artwork from Blizzard, and since you edited, you probably did(do)n't like it or prefer the old one. So, I'm still waiting for an answer for we come up with a deal. Cause personally, I too don't like that actual image from Arthas still as a Paladin. So, let's respect both sides and come up with something that please both of us. I'll edit it again, till you answer me here.


As I said, the article is about Arthas pre-transformation. Thus, it's not appropriate to the picture of him as Lich King on there. I know what the policies of the site are, and it is not a case of "what I want". Kirkburn talk contr 20:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

The article says at the beginning This article tells Arthas's life as a human., tho, it tells about Arthas wearing the helm of Lich King's armor. Same thing with Sylvanas, the article tells her history but the main image is Sylvanas already as Dark Lady of the Forsaken. Before Arthas merge with the Lich King, he was a Death Knight serving the same. There's a different article telling the Lich King's history that the main image is Arthas as the one already. So, the point is, why not showing Arthas in the main picture of his article as his last look or form before merge with the Lich King?


Hmm, and about you knowing the policies, not sure you know but, this is a free open website, so anyone can come here, make an account, edit the policy he wants on his PMs and send to others :). I have come here lots of times to read about the characters and History of Warcraft, but I'm new helping and posting so, you're a registered employ of Blizzard or something? Can you show me your badge or license :)?


Largely because that is either: 1) last few seconds of his old life or 2) the first few seconds of the new one. And the article tells the story of his whole life. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Err, you didn't answer my question. In anyways, if it's about his whole life, why not show him in the main image as a Death Knight? Since +85% of his life's History shows and tells him as a Death Knight already. Not just it, also, it was his last look before merging with Ner'zhul.


These were your edits -
The problem: Arthas Menethil is not the Lich King, the Lich King is either Ner'zhul or a combination of Arthas and Ner'zhul. The image you changed it to was that of the Lich King, which has an article of its own.
Now, as to why it's a picture of normal human Arthas, well, that can be debated. I personally would still stick to the more human visage as it is more recognisably Arthas, and that the article is nominally about his human life. My mind is open, however, and Ragestorm is really the one to oversee such matters. I recommend posting on the Arthas talk page about it. Kirkburn talk contr 22:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


Enlighten me please. ~/Voluspå 10:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Bookkeepers (fear)

'morning sir. I've been wondering if you were serious in here. No, I'm not from the police, nor Blizzard, nor any other criminal organization. Are you still interested in joining us? Or was it some kind of prank, as nearly everyone now tries to dig a place among us? :) --K ) (talk) 11:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah well, I presume you're not very eager to join the bookkeepers in such a period. Anyway, mind paying a look at my talk page, last line? Thanks =)--K ) (talk) 01:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
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