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Hey! Sorry about the late reply; I've been away for a while on a business trip and all of the mail for recruitment goes directly to my mail box. Bleh, we'll need to fix that in the future. However, I thought that I'd drop you a quick message, say hi, let you know that I'd love to have an interview with you sometime soon. Sorry again for being neglectful! {{User:Cynra/Sig}} 03:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 
Hey! Sorry about the late reply; I've been away for a while on a business trip and all of the mail for recruitment goes directly to my mail box. Bleh, we'll need to fix that in the future. However, I thought that I'd drop you a quick message, say hi, let you know that I'd love to have an interview with you sometime soon. Sorry again for being neglectful! {{User:Cynra/Sig}} 03:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
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:That's more than fine. I just felt guilty that I hadn't been able to make a prompt reply to your request! We'll see you sometime in December then. {{User:Cynra/Sig}} 04:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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Hello everyone! I am still new to the wiki community and still learning. I really enjoy contributing to this site, and I hope that I am doing good things here. However, if you have a problem with something I have done or a suggestion for the future, by all means please post here and let me know!

Mulgore Quests

You aren't done with Mulgore Quests right? When you're done, please put either {{Transclude}} or [[Category:Quests]].

Any questions just ask me! Smiley --IconSmall Orc Male1336 12:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


Thank you, I added the category and also added a link to the page from the main Mulgore page. I think we should include tables like this on the zone pages and have questing guides linked, what do you think? --Jiyambi t || c

Sig template

You should investigate things like Tekkub's signature template. Easier to maintain and change retroactively, less additional text on the page. And easier to parse while editing comments like these... :) --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Object

While the Boilerplate:Object is great idea, could use {{Elinks-object}} addition, Totem of Akida is treated as an NPC by the game. --GRYPHONtc 22:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't think of that. I plan to work on it a little more before putting it up as an actual boilerplate. And I haven't actually made the totem's page yet, I will change the example to an actual object tho. --Jiyambi t || c 22:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
It occurs to me that some people may not know the difference between an object and an NPC or an object and an item. Should this be described in the boilerplate as hidden text or should there be a separate article for it? --Jiyambi t || c 23:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Might want to avoid the use of {{loot}} when they are only going to self link. It makes readability a little difficult. And the item name doesn't need to be in the section headers. --GRYPHONtc 19:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I will change those things in my edits/contribs from now on. However, we might want to change the item boilerplate because it uses "ItemName as a Quest Objective" and "ItemName as an Ingredient". So if we don't want the item name in the section headers, we should change the boilerplate to read "As a Quest Objective" - just as understandable without the name. --Jiyambi t || c 23:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Minor edits

When you're doing things like categorizing pages, could you check the "minor edit" box? Helps a lot when I'm scrolling through the recent changes list, especially if you do several million of em. Thanks! Pzychotix (talk · contr) 02:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Ha, I will next time. Sorry about that. I had just read a post where someone got berated for using minor edit too much, so I didn't want to get in trouble. But for categorizations from now on I will use it. --Jiyambi t || c 03:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


Quest chains

Looked at those chains you pointed me to... I can tell you what I would have done differently, but ALL of this is personal preference. Whose is "better" is a decision for the audience, perhaps. Errands for Kravel Chain, and Freedom for All Creatures.

I'd have left off the "chain" at the end of the names. It's part of the Quest Chains category, after all. Though I might have prefaced it with the pseudo-namespace prefix of "Quest Chain:". Or I might not have. Examples of both exist, though lately I've been using the prefix. That's one reason I created the {{questchain}} template.

I feel that the rewards section really deserves to be on a level with the summary, not a subsection of it. And I'm a big fan of the summary being at the end...

I also stated in the boilerplate why I didn't like using the quest names as section headers. This holds for these pages too.

On the content: You may have noted that my quest chain descriptions are closer to what you did for Freedom, than for Kravel. But even there, my descriptions are more "in character" where yours are more technical. I do like the pictures you've added to these, but I am somewhat less in favor of how 'open' the pages are, all that blank space. These are mostly issues of taste, though.

On the technical aspects: I would probably make "Fool's Stout" a note under under "Get the Goblins Drunk". Its purpose is to provide you with another Fool's Stout in case you lose the one you had, or it expires due to time or whatever. It's not really part of the quest chain as such. And, are you able to complete both get XXX drunk" quests? Or is it that once you complete one, the other is not offered? On Freedom for All Creatures Chain's reward section, I would have listed the sprite darter egg first, for two reasons: 1) it's more special than the reputation award (though that's a nice batch of rep). 2) less confusing with the optional rewards currently listed directly above it.

On the quests making up the content: I note a few things about them. First, Took me a while to find the link to the quest chain, despite several opportunities for it to appear. I (currently) feel it belongs up in the header section of the quest, rather than buried down in the "quest progression" section where you have to slog through the page to find it.

Second, a personal preference: I find the "indented, italic, using <BR>" style irritating. This may just be "Not Invented Here" showing through, but there it is nonetheless.


On The Newest Member of the Family, I would add a notes section describing the fastest route (and times) for getting to the Hinterlands. ... or at least a request for that information. Perhaps a suggestion that picking up the flight point in the Hinterlands might be a good thing?

And again, on Freedom, you've included the rewards for each quest directly with the page. I don't feel this adds to the information provided, since the reader is going to go to the quest page anyway, and the individual totals are already summed up in the Summary. A last technical bit, I think you may have lost something (information, recommendations) on moving much of the Sprite Darter Egg page to the quest chain page. Err... I see. pcj diddled the page with Foxbot. (Don't get me started. Seriously. That's a rant I've already done elsewhere.) Please DO check the history of the page, and see if there's anything that should be recovered. It might really be useful to recover the walkthrough and all.

A consequence of your summary being early on the page (and describing individual quest rewards) is that you are left describing (again) the ultimate reward as a sort of afterthought at the bottom of the page. I find that ... unappealing, I guess.

But I guess the biggest real difference between your pages and the ones I've done lately is that I've tried to take the opportunity to use the chain page to tell the story, rather than simply list the "do this, do that". And believe me, that takes a LOT of work. ...which is why I've done so few, where you've managed 2 or more in the space of a few hours. While I think there's room for improvement (also room on chain pages I myself have created), there's enough quest chains still begging for description that it may be a while before these get edited again.

I apologize for being quite so long winded, but ... I am. Can't help it. Don't mean any offense, just my honest opinions. Thank you for feeling my opinion to be worth asking about. I do appreciate it. --Eirik Ratcatcher 19:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Lest it get lost in all the verbiage above, "Good Job" making the pages, the associated quests, items, etc. Even if I do carp unceasingly about particulars. After all, can't carp if the page ain't there. --Eirik Ratcatcher 19:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Its fine, in fact thanks :) I actually hadn't got around to working on those individual quests for the "Freedom" chain, those were all made by others or by bot (except for 2 of them). I think I will go through and have another go at those two pages, taking some (probably most in fact) of your suggestions. I will let you know when I am done, so you can look at them again if you like. I really did find the advice helpful, thank you :) --Jiyambi t || c 19:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
See my response on Help talk:Quest chain articles --Jiyambi t || c 21:18, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

First I was going to suggest that we go with Taming the Beast quest chain (Night Elf), rather than Taming the Beast (Night Elf) quest chain, but then making templates like {{questchain}} (which I'll be changing to make work for "<name> quest chain") won't work. Hmm... --User:Sky2042/Sig 22:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Ya, I wasn't 100% sure what to name it, but the main quest is named Quest:Taming the Beast (Night Elf 1)... hence the name. I agree it doesn't sound quite right, but I suppose we can move it later if we think of something better. --Jiyambi t || c 22:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to draw attention to

Powerlevel_Coldridge_Valley :). There are a few others in the guides category, most of which can be seen by entering "powerlevel" into the google search. Have fun importing to the quest guides and prettifying. :). --User:Sky2042/Sig 17:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

OOooo thankies. I will provide a link to it somewhere too. --Jiyambi t || c 17:18, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Use template:t

Don't worry about fixing the references to {{tlink}}. Just putting you on notice :) --User:Sky2042/Sig 21:15, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

No prob, I was using {{t}} most the time anyways, I think I recently cut/pasted some stuff with {{tlink}} in it tho. I will use {{t}} from now on. --Jiyambi t || c 23:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

just a note

Yes, I'm back. It's preferable to use <strike> and </strike> to show irrelevant or old comments which don't hold ground that you've made. Just an fyi. :) --User:Sky2042/Sig 21:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, will do. I was a little worried because I figured normally deleting talk comments = bad, but since it was a minor issue I went ahead and got rid of it to avoid confusion. But I will use the strike next time. --Jiyambi t || c 21:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Leaving another note :D: Have a look at Ghostlands#Quests: Your tables could probably use some of that. Also, check the most recent changes to Teldrassil quests and Teldrassil. Thank ye's for your hard work! :) --User:Sky2042/Sig 07:59, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, now I remember seeing that ghostlands one before. I dont like that the faction/level/quest name are separate (its fine with just questlong in my opinion), but I do like the prereq note. I will try adding that to the next table I make, or modify an existing one, and see what people think. Oh and I like the Teldrassil quests changes. And your zonebox = rawk. That is all. --Jiyambi t || c 16:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
"capital" was supposed to be used to replace the "Kingdom" section of the tables... :P --User:Sky2042/Sig 17:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I know. Kingdom sounded dumb, capital is much better. I just had to make it so it didn't show up for zones that didn't have a city in them. --Jiyambi t || c 17:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
But that was the point. It was to show which capital that zone was affiliated with. Which NPCs are gonna be the main ones one finds there.
As to categorizing, I saw you working on the category, and I was like, sure, why not, I'm bored and need a little bit of automation. :P --User:Sky2042/Sig 22:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Ah, so the intention was for the capital to be for all zones. Well, I suppose it makes sense for some, but really most zones aren't affiliated with one capital. It seems to me that the "races" section is enough for the NPC info in the zone box. However if you feel like going back through the zones I worked on and adding in the capital, I won't stop you ;) --Jiyambi t || c 22:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
All the zones which would have one affiliated with them. Elwynn -> Darkshire, but not STV, would be under "Stormwind". As to going back and fixing it, maybe. Heh. --User:Sky2042/Sig 22:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I can see your point. For example Darkshore = Darnassus, Bloodmyst Isle = the Exodar. I might change those myself, since there are only a few. I got through all the Kalimdor zone pages, but I'm done with zone pages for at least today :P I will move on to the Eastern Kingdoms, Outland, and the City pages eventually... --Jiyambi t || c 22:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Timeframes

As a point of note, pretty much only WRPG represents the time around TFT. Anything from Lands of Conflict and Lands of Mystery (which I actually have to highly edit in order to remove the informal first person style, and make it closer to formal third-person style we use in wiki) represents a timeframe of within a year or two, before World of Warcraft. Anything starting with Alliance Player's Guide on up takes placing within the timeframe of World of Warcraft, although before The Burning Crusade. A basic timeline can be found in the main Warcraft RPG article.Baggins 17:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Ha, I really ought to get some of those books o.O Again, I really appreciate that you responded so quickly and comprehensively to my concern. You rock, you crazy hobbit! --Jiyambi t || c 17:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
No problem :).Baggins 17:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


ew!

no, don't do [[Quests:x]], please! Category:Cooking Quests was fine. --User:Sky2042/Sig 21:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

No it wasn't. It screws up the questbox. Questbox lists things as category:quest:"category field", which is why all the zone quest categories are like that. Please leave the change, or change the questbox, but they need to work together. --Jiyambi t || c 21:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Quest box needs changing, but that's gonna break all the other quest categories, which there shouldn't be more than 20 or 30 of. Could you fix that possibly, or too much work? --User:Sky2042/Sig 21:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it should do everything pretty automatically, we will just need to copy and paste the categories. There will of course be an issue with the numerous quests who don't have a questbox yet or have hardcoded categories (as opposed to those put there by the box). But these are an issue anyway. I will mess with it when I have a big block of wiki time, that may not be until after I move next week. Can we agree to leave it as is until then? --Jiyambi t || c 21:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
No problem; I've had this in mind for a while. --User:Sky2042/Sig 21:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC) PS: I'm gonna kill Alliance, Horde, and Neutral categories; those are the easy ones from what I can see. --User:Sky2042/Sig 22:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok, looks to me like there are at least 150 to 200 that are hardcoded with Quests:Alliance/Horde/Neutral. I'll have a go at those when I get the chance. :) --User:Sky2042/Sig 08:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Good, good - they are probably in a very outdated format anyways :P In fact, looking at which quests have the wrong categories could help us find out which ones need reformatting. --Jiyambi t || c 17:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Sky, there are over 400 that are hardcoded just with Category:Quests:Alliance. /Cry. This is going to take forever.... --Jiyambi t || c 18:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If you do just 10 a day, and I do just 10 a day, and Mikaka does just 10 a day... I'll have a go at it tonight. :) --User:Sky2042/Sig 04:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Quiting

I am quiting both WoW and WoWWiki for a period of 3 months. After that time, I may or may not be back. Wish me luck! --Jiyambi t || c 01:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Good luck! Hope to see you back soon. --Pcj (TC) 02:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Awwww! School? I will miss you! --DuTempete talk|contr02:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I wish you well, and hope you have a speedy recovery (back to WoW) :P Kirkburn talk contr 02:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Come visit us on IRC sometime! Ignore the wiki; some of us love to chat. :) --User:Sky2042/Sig 02:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks guys :) I will come visit you on IRC, and leave you messages on facebook :) --Jiyambi t || c 02:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I am a bad person :P It is very boring up here, and though I am still quiting WoW for the 3 months I might sneak in and edit things when I am bored. At least for the next two weeks before school starts. Bah. --Jiyambi t || c 19:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


Going to miss your new quest chain pages! --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

questrace

New {{questrace}} template for your use. Noticed someone doing it the hard way on Mulgore quests --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks much :) --Jiyambi t || c 02:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The Regiment

Hey! Sorry about the late reply; I've been away for a while on a business trip and all of the mail for recruitment goes directly to my mail box. Bleh, we'll need to fix that in the future. However, I thought that I'd drop you a quick message, say hi, let you know that I'd love to have an interview with you sometime soon. Sorry again for being neglectful! -- Cynra (T·C) 03:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

That's more than fine. I just felt guilty that I hadn't been able to make a prompt reply to your request! We'll see you sometime in December then. -- Cynra (T·C) 04:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
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