Tauren (Warcraft III)

Black dragons

Add Black Drakes and Black dragon to the race list, the dragonmaw have enslaved some.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:54, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

No, they can have a note under the dragonmaw clan section, but they're not a Horde race. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 04:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Same applies to the kobolds and wyverns yet they are on the list, they are a horde slave race.--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Wyverns are not slaves, they mutually work together... and if you want me to remove Kobolds I will then, I wasn't all that into having them on the list as is. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 16:45, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

If you gunna remove Kobolds doesn't that take out Low Common aswell, what other horde races speak Low Common ?? --ArbiterX122591 (talk) 20:21, 91 June 2011 (UTC)

Ogres. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 02:02, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Wait a second, I did the quest and the kobolds were beaten until they swore loyalty to the Horde, though they are considered slaves they are more willing slaves if you know what I mean. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grazzbek (talk · contr).

Lady Liadrin

Lady Liadrin is as a Horde leader as Tirion is an Alliance one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lebleuet (talk · contr).

Plz use sigs and make new section when appropriate, i don't agree Tirion fused the silver hand and made it into the argent crusade a neutral faction, the blood knights still exist as a faction although allied with Sha'tar and renouced ties with the prince, they didn't renounce their ties with the nation of Quel'thalas and continue to teach blood knights in the horde.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:03, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

She fits the bill of secondary leader perfectly. She leads the Horde's primary paladin sect, and has ties elsewhere too like Hamuul and Malfurion; albeit slightly weaker since the SSO is meaningless now. Unlike Tirion, who was, you know... exiled from the Alliance. Grissom (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I really don't agree. Those who have exiled Tirion (Daelin, Arthas, Teranas and Antonidas) are all dead and the human kingdoms they represented no belong to the Alliance (excepted Kul'Tiras). For instance it's not because the Alliance tried to execute the blood elves (high elves at this moment, racially speaking) that there's no high elves part of the modern Alliance today.

File:LadyLiadrin.jpg Furthermore, as you can see on this screenshot, Liadrin is wearing the Shattered Sun Offensive's tabard, a neutral organization. She was never involved in any Horde global events so I don't think that's relevent to put her in the Horde secondary leaders list.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lebleuet (talk · contr).

You're grasping at straws; I don't quite see where this is coming from and your argument is frankly incomparable. Here's the thing - Lady Liadrin leads the Blood Knights. The Blood Knights are a prominent Horde organization with a lot of exposure. If Liadrin was somehow deposed of her rank as Blood Knight Matriarch, then sure, she would have no ties to the Horde. But she hasn't been. She still leads this Horde organization as its supreme leader. That's why she's on the secondary leaders list.

And sign your posts. Four "~"s. Grissom (talk) 18:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Forsaken zombies not ghouls

The Forsaken have one zombie Algernon, they don't have ghouls. User:Ultimatex (talk)

Very well, ghouls removed, Zombies and Wraiths added. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 01:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

We really don't know for sure. She had all of the Scourge in her arsenal in Wracraft III but that was likely game mechanics. Also if you don't mind my asking were are forsaken Wraiths?  MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs) 20:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

At least one I know of is one of the bankers in Undercity, Ophelia Montague. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 01:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

I actually just discovered a forsaken plague eruptor, an Unstable Assistant in the Twilight Highlands. Is he worth adding to the list?  MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs) 00:56, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but only because this has long since passed ridiculous. If you want to help save sanity from oblivion, then probably no.--SWM2448 01:02, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Add it, the more complete it is the better.--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd say no... he's an unstable experiment, not a member of the Horde. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 03:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)\

...That actually makes sense  MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs) 03:37, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Wait a second, wouldn't that mean abominations are just successful "experiments" from the Royal Apothecary Society? If the abominations get in why doesn't Calder Gray get credit for his little creations?Grazzbek (talk) 03:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Garrosh's magnataur and proto-drake

"Having brought down a number of captive magnataur and proto-drakes from Northrend that he domesticated by holding their young hostage, Garrosh plans to see his dreams of expansion realized."

Should we list these two in the info-box?  MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs) 19:54, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Not until we actually see it happen. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 23:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Nah it's very brief and used momentarily so they ar not part of the current members altrough we could probably add a note to former members section, since i don't have the book i'll leave that note to someone esle.--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:01, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't say former members considering I read the book and there doesn't seem anything saying Garrosh doesn't have them anymore and he still has the young. Grazzbek (talk) 03:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Boss Mida

I'm thinking she should be under secondary leaders. She seems to lead the Goblins in Orgrimmar, if not the whole Cartel, in Gallywix's absence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crewx (talk · contr). 13:57, 12 November 2011

Please sign your posts. And I can see what you mean but I think she's only running the slums. Running a town doesn't really justify a spot on secondary leaders. If we had anything of her saying "Im taking care of the cartel while Gallywix is out" then I would have to say yes.  High Warlord GentlemanChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 17:22, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Code update request

Change this line:

{{RaceIcon|BloodElf2|Male}} [[Tae'thelan Bloodwatcher]]<br />

"|Small" is the default value and doesn't need to be written.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:49, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Mag'har orcs, Dragonmaw orcs, and Ice trolls.

I was wondering why Mag'har and Dragonmaw orcs are not on the race list, I know they may not be a seperate race but they are classified as differant races in other articles so I'm just pointing out, also I found out the Horde has some Ice Trolls in Alterac Valley such as the stable master.--Grazzbek (talk) January 7 2012

Sigh. Im really against even Ice Trolls even as just a note I think that the SINGLE NPC is just a Darkspear. Dragonmaw orcs are orcs no evidence they aren't and they dont even have a proper racial name. Mag'har are the only possible exception. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MoneygruberTheGoblin (talk · contr).

I'm just judging from what race the NPC says it is, I believe Coobra edits the infoboxes I got the information from. And the fact that Dragonmaw orcs are "just orcs" as you so think, they are not of the average Tainted Orc skin pigment and that would mean all the species of trolls are "Just trolls" from what your saying. It also seems your opinion on the Ice troll thing as your trying to just make sure they aren't a part of it since that quote you made "I'm really against even ice trolls." notes bias. I take what I see, It says she's an Ice troll and just because you think it is just a Darkspear whom are Jungle Trolls, doesn't mean your right. You gotta think these through, if Blizzard backs you up then hey your right but I also got a couple more reasons to back me up seeing as Single NPCs are counted such as the Wraiths and Zombies. (Though there might be two zombies if you count Boyle.)Grazzbek (talk) 03:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Even if they were somewhat of a subrace. You need to keep in mind. They are still orcs and we have orcs listed. Dragonmaw however are NEVER called a subrace, they show no differences to orcs other than skin color. Let me give you a real world example. African Males and Asian Males may have different skin colors, but they are still humans. As for Ice Trolls. I love trolls. If I could have every troll unite into one faction and take over the bloody world I would love that. But if the Frostwolves had any Ice Trolls don't you think it would be mentioned? At all? Zombies and Wraiths are reasonable to believe in an undead faction. Ice Trolls in an orcish clan however are not.  High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 06:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Where your coming from does make sense. I was surprised yet happy when I saw the Frostwolf Stable Master which seems to be an Ice Troll, I am just taking from what I saw. But if you take it as the fact that would Jungle Trolls really be found in Alterac, it supports the fact that the stable master is an Ice Troll because I have seen Jungle Trolls in forest and jungles, not tundra. Grazzbek (talk) 14:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Female trolls have always been harder to judge, since all the males received model updates over the years (except jungle trolls), but you'll usually not see a jungle troll with white hair, that tends to be an ice troll trait. Generally more than 1 known creature type is needed to be added as a Horde race however, not including the forsaken races of course. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 04:16, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

We wouldn't have an issue if this NPC was male. Because if it was a jungle troll it would just use the same icey skin. But if it was a Ice Troll it's model would have been updated. I just don't feel that, this lone female ice troll decided to assist the horde as a stable master. All other Ice Trolls were hostile to the Horde. With Ice Trolls actually in Alterac then it's believable a faction might betray them for the Horde. But the problem comes to it's only a single NPC and we dont see her being inducted into the Horde. No lore to if she joined the Horde. Or even if she is an Ice Troll at all. I feel like there needs to be a line. A line we went past with when we added Chaos Orcs. Because it's the same thing really. An NPC that could be a skinning error blown into an idea an entire race joined the Horde. Chaos orcs atleast make sense. They were Warsong Orcs. Ice Trolls have never been involved in the Horde. No communication between orcs and Ice Trolls has ever come about. And if she was an Ice Troll and she was confirmed in the Horde. If she was just that single one exception. I would still say no because 1 special case doesn't justify as Horde Members. Like the Quilboar in that Barrens camp from Vanilla.  High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 04:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Bloody Hell Coobra you always get there before me.  High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 04:20, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I quickly slither in to make my strike and vanish into the night. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 04:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Let's just leave it be that it is assumed Ice Troll but not sure. It's one NPC so moving that aside we are down to the Mag'har orcs. They are quite likely a seperate race of orc. And we're not sure if those Chaos orcs are Warsong Orcs. But that's another topic because Blizzard just has to randomly throw in these things. But again Mag'har. Could they be considered a speerate race then the normal orc race because unlike Dragonmaw, Mag'har are uncorrupted. Grazzbek (talk) 20:38, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

If a comparison was to be made, I'd say the Mag'har orcs are like High elves, whereas the green orcs are like blood elves. Essentially the same, but different. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 21:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Tainted Orcs or Blood Elves are corrupted. But thats all. Corrupted not mutated like felblood or fel orcs but corrupted. High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 00:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Dangit Moneygruber, you cancelled out the post I was going to make. Either way. Considering there are actually several differances between the two including, size, color, and demonic taint. So would it be safe to add Mag'har? Grazzbek (talk) 01:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Im curious to your comment about size.  High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 01:42, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

If you read the novel Beyond the Dark Portal, it states that when the orcs took the Blood of Mannoroth, they grew in size, this would mean a height differance in Mag'har and Tained. Grazzbek (talk) 23:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I'd still say no to mag'har. It's a tough one but tainted orcs are just orcs...tainted. They are orcs under a condition but not a seperate race. Only Fel Orcs justify being another race because of the heavy mutations High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 03:57, 12 January 2012 (UTC)