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Borean Tundra and Coldarra
Now on Blizzards map for Borean Tundra shown at Blizzcon in the Coldarra area it said 'sub-zone', and while it is hard to see on the map it is possible to make it out. So technically the Nexus is in Borean Tundra with Coldarra being a sub-zone. Basically it would be like saying Auchindoun is in the Bone Wastes instead of Terokkar Forest. I would go with Blizzards own map being more correct then speculation that it is it's own zone based on a RPG book map. The little text under Coldarra on the larger map just says 'sub-zone' while the other zones it gives the level ranges for that zone underneath the zone name. Currently there are 10 zones in Northrend them being Howling Fjord, Borean Tundra, Sholazar Basin, Dragonblight, Lake Wintergrasp, Zul'drak, Storm Peaks, Grizzly Hills, Crystalsong Forest, and Icecrown. If Blizzard went with a 11th zone I could go with it being a part of Ajzol'Nerub not the area of Coldarra. Coldarra is just the Bone Wastes of Northrend as a rather large sub-zone with a multi-winged instance in the middle. I can remember people speculating the Bone Wastes was it's own zone. http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o101/leviathonlx4/borean.jpg Leviathon 19:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- However, we have separate articles for them as they are very different areas. Given that map, it does seem fair to say it is a subzone of the Borean Tundra though. This isn't about making the numbers fit, but clarity. The game is still in development, so things can change. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 19:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Yea I understand having 2 pages since both areas are pretty different. Just right now it should be mentioned that it is currently a sub-zone not its own actual zone since thats what it is right now. Course things can and will change a lot between now and the alpha next year, but Blizzard does tend to follow their layout maps for zones and instances with little to no changes. Leviathon 19:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- It's because if it would be two different zones, it would look ugly when looking on the Borean Tundra map that a big island to the west doesn't have texture. Instead of making two identical maps - one with fill, the other without - they made it all into one. Compare other zone + island scenarios: Durotar + the Echo Isles, Feralas + the Isle of Dread, Western Plaguelands + Caer Darrow, Silverpine Forest + Fenris Isle, etc... If an island isn't as giant as Kalidar (Teldrassil is the tree, that's the name of the island), it will belong to another zone. -- Shandris talk / contribs 19:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- It depends on the map Shandris on maps such as the Alterac Mountains map the Fenris Isle is a untextured island in the northern part of the map since the island is in Silverpine. The zone really is just like Terokkar. It has a rather large portion that is a sub-zone that just isn't big enough to warrant making it its own zone. Leviathon 20:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Previous to that map, however, Coldarra has always been a completely separate area, RPG-wise. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 20:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Basically it's like the Bone Wastes which looked like and was its own zone before TBC on the old Warcraft II map. Blizzard probably figured it was best just to treat Coldarra the same way. Leviathon 20:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
New landmass
Aside from Northrend, take a look at the new map. There is certainly new land just west of Stormwind. New zone, perhaps? Blackhawk003 13:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
- That zone is in the WOW intro cinematic and was in the WOW alfa. They may have used the map just for blizzcon because the zones aren't finalized Zakolj 19:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'd imagine it was just easier for them to fit Northrend into that map but it's also possible its a map thats even older than the alpha map. Since originally they intended on Northrend being in the original game it's possible that map was their original map just with some modifications. So rather then making a new map they just took one of their older ones and editted it a bit. Leviathon 20:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
- What was in the zone, then? Kind of weird having something that looks like The Barrens in the middle of pretty, green Azeroth...I also like how they didn't include the Sunwell Plateau. D: The old game map had it. Maybe they mixed the current maps and the old ones and threw Northrend on top? --Super Bhaal 18:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Last Expansion
This damn well better be the last expansion, I'd hate to have killed Arthas only to find that the game goes on to kill Ashara and/or Kil'jaiden. Blizzard must get this straight - the Lich King is the ultimate enemy, end of story. Plus they need to keep some enemies alive for Warcraft IV!Mannerheim 07:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Why is he the ultimate enemy? Is this what you have been led to believe? How do you know Azshara is not more powerful? Most enemies from WC3 didn't exist before WC3 and nearly every NPC is invented in WoW - why can new ones not be made? Basically, I'm saying - there is little need to panic. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 07:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- They do have it straight, Arthas isn't the strongest enemy in the universe (at least in my book). --Raze 08:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hate to break it to you Mannerheim, but I heard somewhere that Blizzard wants to make one expansion per year. I'm sure if we bug them enough they'll make that one featuring The Great Sea.
We've still got to fight Azshara, Malygos, Deathwing ( he's got to be in another expansion if he's still alive... ), and the entire Burning Legion. Oh, then there's the Old Gods. If those don't work, I'm sure the writers'll come up with something else. Hell, we might even have to fight Garona. D: --Super Bhaal 09:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
It would probably be Sargeras that's the 'ultimate villain' in the Warcraft universe, especially since his status is kind of nebulous. Since the portals are now open on Outland (according to comments by Metzen on blizzplanet) it's probable that we'll get a Twisting Nether expansion pack. I'm guessing that after WotLK, we'll get two more XPs; one dealing with Azshara and the Old Gods and another dealing with the Burning Legion permenantly. Since this would bring the level cap up to 100 (presumably), I'm guessing that that'll be the last game in the series.
Anyway, that's just me.Hawki 13:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Still plenty of characters for us to fight after Arthas. We have Ashzara, the Emerald Nightmare and whatever is causing it, the Old Gods that are left, The Elemental Plane and the rest of the Burning Legion. Also Metzen said new bad guys and heroes will arise in the game from the WoW comic. Leviathon 16:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Notes: Scarlet Crusade and nasty Gnomes
What would be great would be to have a few of the Scarlet Crusade expedition alive and friendly to Alliance, and the rest raised by the Scourge, with large areas of battle scarred land.
Also, why are there nasty Gnomes in Valgarde in the expansion trailer. Gnomes didn't take part in the Third War and they'll ruin the majesty of it.Mannerheim 07:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- What nasty gnomes? User:Kirkburn/Sig3 07:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sure there were some gnomes that lived in Ironforge with the dwarves back then, who helped in Lordaeron. --Super Bhaal 09:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- There were no gnomes around during the Third War according to WoW manuals and RPG. However there has been plenty of time for gnomes to have moved to Northrend between TFT and Wrath. According the RPG there has been travelers to Valgarde for a while now. Its essentially the Alliance main port and base of operations in the NorthTemplate:Baggins10:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm, thanks for clearing that up. I always thought since the gnomes and dwarves were such good friends a couple of them would've tagged along to Lordaeron during the Third War or something...you know, contributing but staying in the dwarves' shadows...you'd think that at least one gnome who happened to be there would take an interest in the plague or something. --Super Bhaal 10:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- I think That a few years have past from warcraft III I think its 4 to WOW and another to TBC and maybe another 1 to WOTLK there is a female draenei in the trailer if they could get to Nortland in a year then gnomes could and can get to Nortrend. IF you think of the gnome town that is in the Borean Tundra Zakolj 12:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Like, five or six years I think. I got nothing against it, after all it's entirely possible with all the technology at the gnomes' disposal. I'm sure they'll strike up a neat little rivalry with goblins there too. Something along the lines of oil rights, mayhaps? ...glacier water? --Super Bhaal 17:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- The gnomes may not have played any role in the Third War...but they did contribute to the Second War (Gnomish Flying Machines, Gnomish Submarines). I was actually a little surprised that they weren't in WC3, truthfully; maybe that was when the whole war against the troggs in Gnomeregan was going on? --Joshmaul 03:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)