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Fixed

Sorry, I finally fixed the references! --Falesa (talk) 22:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Goblin and Worgen Classes

" Possible classes at this moment: Mage, Warrior, Death Knight, Rogue, Hunter.[2] "

In the demo version they allowed attendees to play, I know Worgen and Goblin could all be warrior, hunter, rogue. Worgen could be Shaman, and Goblin could be Mage. One of them could be Warlock but I cannot recall which. Death Knights were greyed out, but probably because the demo accounts did not have a level 55 toon. Yourbuddybill (talk) 23:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Goblins and worgen can be all but 2 each, Goblins can't be druids or paladins, and Worgen can't be Paladins or Shaman.

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 23:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Cool. just noticed that the main page was updated with a super handy link to a matrix . <http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/_images/features/raceclassmatrix_en_US.jpg> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yourbuddybill (talk · contr).

Can goblins really be Shamans? Because if so Blizz has made a big mistake.Centaur77 (talk) 23:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Quotes from a blue at http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10543537977-blizzcon-09-classes-items-and-professions.html explaining the classes and such. So it's pretty definite that Goblins can be Shamans. Suicidal_SNiper (talk)10:43, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Question

Whats a "character progression?" Also who is that old ally that is shown bringing the worgen into the fold? Is it supposed to be Velinde Starsong? I don't know if she was a druid. --Darkling235 23:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

As I recall, "character progression" is one of the new features, that keeps track how far somebody is phased, alot of people liked the phasing it WotLK, however, they couldn't get in a party with their friends properly. So a new UI feature was / is developed. I think that is it. About the druid, no idea. Deliah Shalièn (talk) 00:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Velinde Starsong was a priestess, wasn't she? When I did the quest where you follow her trail, they all remembered her and said stuff like "You don't often see a night elf priestess 'round these parts". Scarletsorcerer (talk) 22:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Vashj'ir

Has anyone else noticed that this sunken city of Vashj'ir is located smack dab in the middle of the Maelstrom, where Nazjatar is supposed to be?

They mentioned during the panel that the map they showed was not actually to scale properly so in actuality it is south of the Maelstrom like they said. Leviathon (talk) 02:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

A later panel had a more accurate map that clearly showed it being quite a ways south of the Maelstrom. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 05:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Any idea what panel it was so maybe a image can be found? Leviathon (talk) 05:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe it was the preview panel. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 05:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Found it: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/august/cataclysmpreviewpanel_076.jpg -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:41, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Guess I will re-watch through the panel. 1 thing I found interesting was when they were talking about the map and the zones being added he said "and Kezan with is not on the map" which makes me won der if we will be seeing it added also. Leviathon (talk) 06:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Dungeons and End game content

Are the abyssal maw, skywall and firelands confirmed dungeons? it still seems like speculation at this point. Deepholm seems a more probably dungeon than those three. --1201 (talk) 05:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

They were confirmed during the World of Warcraft preview panel. Leviathon (talk) 06:00, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Abyssal Maw is accessible via Vashj'ir (I believe he said there will be two dungeons in there, actually), Firelands is accessible from Hyjal, and while they didn't say where Skywall connects to they did say it would be there. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

My guess is that Skywalls entrance will be in Silithus since with the Qiraji and Silithids having been defeated then the only other enemy could of been the Twilight Cultists and their summoning. Leviathon (talk) 07:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily. I seem to recall there being a huge tornado appearing in Darkshore. Now this is just speculation on my part, but it seems to make some sense that a tornado may be the way to get up to the sky. --JPlowman2 (talk) 02:38, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Would be interesting if that is what the tornado will be for and if it is near that corpse in the zone. Leviathon (talk) 05:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The Second sundering

Should we make a page that details how this disaster happend and it's aftermath? Gorvar (talk) 17:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Agree, but only once it would have happen, or only the confirmed facts.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 17:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Facts sounds good, the Goblin page on the Cataclysm website allready mentions it as the 'Cataclysm'.Gorvar (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I meant, do not be over-confident about a zone modification you may have seen in the trailer.

Stick to the modifications clearly announced (for now)

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 17:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't recall Wetlands being said to be completely 'destroyed' in any of the panels so I am not sure about that part of the article. Twilight Highlands is located on the eastern coast so it isn't what is replacing it. Leviathon (talk) 02:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Little edit: wowinsider has a somewhat fuzzy pic of the continent layouts and you can see that while Wetlands is heavily reduced it still is a full zone. http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/august/artpanel_081.jpg Leviathon (talk) 17:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I edited the Southshore part. Really I question how much of it may have entirely been joking on the devs part that it was lost at all but saying the 'Alliance finally lost southshore' could just as easily mean a tidal wave and the cataclysm itself destroyed it instead just like Auberdine. Leviathon (talk) 04:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Didn't they say the Horde got it? Gorvar (talk) 07:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

No, they didn't.

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 07:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

It almost seemed more like a joke that everyone is looking too into. Leviathon (talk) 07:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Darkshore is getting Horde reinforcements and Ashenvale will be more favourable towards the Horde once the expansion is released. Don't you think it will be at least a little unfair if Southshore would too end up in the hands of the Horde? I mean, balance and stuff: that's pretty important, right?AMBER^(RΘCK) 09:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks like that a lot of areas that will be 10-20 will likely have both factions in them. We know Darkshore has a Horde camp, Worgen will likely be pushed towards Silverpine and there is a Alliance camp in Northern Barrens which is likely where tauren and some orcs will go 10-20 at. Leviathon (talk) 17:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The night elf's leveling progression is getting a little wierd. Ashenvale is now hordie, part of darkshore too, hyjal is a hi-lvl zone, where the night elves are going to level past lv15? Pudim17 (talk - contr) 18:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Ashenvale is being heavily attacked by the Horde but there are other Alliance outposts in the zone that are likely more built up. For example Forest' Song near Azshara is likely built and Maestra's Post is probably where the Astraanar night elves are now at. For all we know the night elves are attacking Splintertree outpost for example. Leviathon (talk) 20:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

What Cataclysm is not

I think this calls for a "What Cataclysm is NOT" page, like that "What Wrath of the Lich King is NOT" page we had up last year. Anyone else? --Super Bhaal (talk) 04:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

No. --Pcj (T•C) 04:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Will it be... cataclysmic? Blackhawk003 (talk) 05:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, go to your room. --Super Bhaal (talk) 05:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Trailer video

You should really stop changing the youtube link every 10 seconds:

You spam the Recent changes
It's all the same video anyway

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 19:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Tell that to all the logo and in-line uploaders. It may have stopped, but everyone wants (wanted?) their thing to be the one WoWWiki uses.--SWM24 48 19:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Just want consistency in the icons.

02:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

No problems with the icons, but this video, they're all the same!!

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 07:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Bastions of Antiquity

That was previously in the article, but after googling, I can't find any mention of it anywhere else so I removed it (assuming it was just some marketing hoopla for "new dungeons"). Does anyone have any idea what that would be? If so, maybe we could re-add it. Howbizr^(t·c) 4:45 PM, 24 Aug 2009 (EDT)

They mention it in the trailer.--Centaur77 (talk) 02:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The so called "bastion of antiquity" would be Uldum and Vash'jir. Abyssal plans are not really part of the "antiquity" (antiquity=first living being imo).

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 07:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Cover image / Box Art

I just added an Temporary Image where the box art should arrive soon, to show people how 'orangey' it might become, and, I also edited the logo out of the movie, (removed the black) and put it on here, I hope it's adequate, and mostly, allowed!.. If not, remove or something! :p Deliah Shalièn (talk) 23:49, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I noticed somebody made an other box-art that looked alot nicer, Might somebody answer me why it got reverted to my silly cropping of the WoW/Cataclysm site? Deliah Shalièn (talk) 17:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I made my own box art yesterday, what do you think guys? Please comment. It features the Worgen. Took about 3 hours to make. -- 06:28, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Less furry love, more goblin love. Seriously though, I like it. --Super Bhaal (talk) 06:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks nice! - I think however, it's not the worgen going to be in the circle, but Deathwing, yet, a worgen is probably going to feature in the bottom-left corner :)! Deliah Shalièn (talk) 17:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Very cool box :) I hope you do one for the goblins too. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 17:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind - I moved the image above to the right so that conversations indent properly.

I removed the cover art only because it's not official. I agree we need a better picture, but we can't have the official page show unofficial fan-art in the box at the top. However, I'm fine if someone wants to make a gallery of fan art and show it there! There's already been confusion that some things weren't true, even though they were announced at BlizzCon 2009. I don't want to add to that.

Howbizr^(t·c) 1:49 PM, 28 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Scam

"It cannot be stressed enough to players that Blizzard will never ask you for your credit card, password, user name, e-mail address or any other information it already has."

This is sort of false. Blizzard does ask for your account name so they know what account to deal with, your email address if you're requesting to change it if you can't by the website (or your login could be your email if you're using a Bnet account), and sometimes your credit card if you're trying to confirm you're the owner of the account. Password, however, is never asked. This is me.I am the sexiest Dwarf ever.If you disagree, click here. 18:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

They mean in game. Once you're logged in, they already know all that stuff.

Howbizr^(t·c) 1:50 PM, 28 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Cataclysm class chart

Is it really on it's correct location.. right in the middle.. messing about the entire layout? Deliah Shalièn (talk) 01:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it really that hard to put new comments at the bottom instead of the middle of the page (or were you doing that intentionally)? Leviathon (talk) 01:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, will do next time ^^;; But still, you didn't quite answer my question. - Atleast now you see how annoying the chart is to me though too :p Deliah Shalièn (talk) 01:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Box art #2

People wanted to see a combo of the goblin and worgen and this is what I managed in 3,5 hours. I just wish there were some decent artwork with the worgen in profile. Thoughts? -- 08:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow.. o.o Just Wow... however, the logo is orange / red ish, so, we can only asume the cover will be orange / red ish too, your worgen one was pale blue, and this one is brown. That's the only 'flaw' I see. Other then that, very pretty! I like this one more then the worgen one though! :p Deliah Shalièn (talk) 08:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah exactly. Wow! Just Wow... I think you did a superb, excellent, job on both boxes, but I feel this one is more inline with what the box-art will/should look like. -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

13:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Ehmmm, Delilah it's the exact same Worgen. It's just an illusion that he's pale blue on the first cover because the whole image there is bluish. So no, I won't change him. --

13:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Being a image manipulation enthusiast myself, I thought I'd step in. Shandris: yes, it's the very same worgen but with the blue glow emanating from the worgen, the image looks utterly out of place. The worgen would fare better with a bit of colour manipulation; more specifically: the blue glow 'translated' into reddish or brownish glow. Yes, in the source he was pretty blue, but that no longer looks right in this box art.AMBER^(RΘCK) 14:09, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Daddy liek. -Super Bhaal (talk) 14:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, after reading I notice a flaw in my own comment, I ment, the box-case background colour was pale-blue, and this one brown, not the actual worgen! - And, personaly I asume the box-background colour will be orange / red-ish, not brown, or pale blue. So, I don't mean, change your worgen!.. I mean.. make one with an orange / red-ish background! :p User:Deliah Shalièn/Sig 17:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Very cool box, I like it more than the worgen one. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 20:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I thought brown-orange (as it is now) was a better color than fiery orange. --

20:42, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone also made a flipside cover. -- 20:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Cataclysm - Surely an April Fool! Wait, What?!

Am I the only one here who thought Cataclysm was simply an April Fool based on the various promises suggested such as re-design of Azeroth, the new player races, level cap that isn't 90 and the Archaeology secondary skill (Whatever the Hell would you use that for anyway)?

This may be me being cynical but personally I still don't quite believe this is actually the next expansion. I know it seems rather an elaborate scheme, but when Blizzard does their April Fools, they like to make them good ones Scum of the Earth, COME ON! (talk) 01:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

You really think that all the BlizzCon was just a fraud and the demo was made just for fun? I thought that when it was first told in MMO champion before the BlizzCon 2009, but now it is official, besides we are not in April ;) Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 05:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

April Fools is just that: fooling around on the first of April. For one, we're in August and for two, Blizzard would have thrown away huge amount of money and resourcing just developing fake content. And for two: April Fools lasts one day, this Cataclysm-thing hasn't been debunked even though official word on it has been out on the streets for a week now. I'm sorry to say, but if there really is a fool, it has to be you, Drakauk.AMBER^(RΘCK) 09:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Firstly: Blizzard's April Fools are NOT and have NEVER been specifically done on April. They are simply revealed to be tricks on the 1st of April, and if you paid enough attention to the Blizzard website itself you'd already know that. Blizzard's April Fools can potentially last months before they are revealed to be untrue. Secondly, how much revenue would you reckon Blizzard gets from the thousands, even millions of players on WoW? It would probably most likely not even make a dent in their coffers to stage all this. Thirdly, is it being foolish not to believe they are already developing the next expansion when they have not even released all the content available for WotLK? And for the record, if you are going to insult me, at least have the decency to remember how to spell my username properly. Fourthly, neither of you have responded to my starting point of whether you thought that it was a joke when you saw it announced initially. Finally, you should really wait to see whether or not it will actually appear in the "Under Development" section before believing that it will actually be coming out. The fool is the one who trusts blindly, not the one who waits to make sure that all the facts are straight. Scum of the Earth, COME ON! (talk) 14:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Jeez, take a nap. --Super Bhaal (talk) 17:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd respond to that, but that would actually give dignity to such a comment.Scum of the Earth, COME ON! (talk) 17:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Selling tinfoil hats for 10 gold PST! Leviathon (talk) 17:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what you're talking about. Sincerely. The bard class, Warcraft III within WoW, Ogres as a playable race, Molten Core for Atari and much more. All of them revealed on April 1st and April 1st only. Besides, I don't trust blindly, but Blizzard is too much of a smart company to let thousands of players fly to Anaheim in order to let them listen to nothing but bullshit. They know they'd get sued for that. Besides, the playable demos and stuff are more expensive to make than you think. They wouldn't create so much content in order to say "haha, fake". Blizzard is a company that makes money, not one that wants to piss off people.AMBER^(RΘCK) 18:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not going to argue that matter any further because I don't have the necessary reference points to prove my point. However as far as I recall these things were merely revealed to be April Fools on the 1st and were in fact suggested weeks in advance to get people thinking maybe that'd be the case. Point of play though: technically they have done W3 within WoW, just not in the manner they suggested. (See: Caverns of Time) I will concede though that it would be a rather extreme means to fool thousands of people. Okay, instead of whether it is a trick or not, How about this: What is the reckoned likelihood that the upcoming expansion will garner enough interest to actually be produced? Will it come out or will it be another Ghost? Who knows, maybe people are too wrapped up with WotLK to want another expansion so soon. Scum of the Earth, COME ON! (talk) 20:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

That could be the same said for what happened between BC and WotLK. All we can really do is watch and wait to see what comes or doesn't. My opinion is the concept is interesting and I hope it is true.Toasty 21:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree Blizzard has done many April Fools jokes ever since the game has been released: Patch 1.11 (Evil Patch Notes), [Tinfoil Hat], Wisps, and many more - but they have Never done a April Fools joke in the previous year (we had our April fools joke for 2009 already) they always announce them in January / February and reveal they are jokes in April of the same year. - They never have shown a working (Playable starting area) for April fools joke either - when they announced Blood Elves as playable races they had them as a playable race at BlizzCon 2005 but not the Wisps since they were the joke. This has been my 2

copper pieces worth of input. -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

22:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I find it indeed doubtful that the expansion itself is a very elaborate joke. However, I am certain that in January, there will be some bogus as to what will happen inside or as additional content for the expansion. Like, suddenly Murlocs as playable race too, or something silly like that. User:Deliah Shalièn/Sig 22:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Why Draenei will not get any new classes?

It is stupid. Just think about Draenei in War3. They were best stealthers in game. Well, these ones were Broken, but i don't think they differ in this point so much. Draenei rogues is perfect idea. Warlock is less lore-based, but as many races prefer fight fire with fire, possibly Draenei will do so, as they are arch-enemies of Legion. Druid is possible due of influence of near-located Night Elves, as well as shamanism. Asdruabel (talk) 11:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

This is a place to discuss changes to the article, not express your dissatisfaction with a decsion made by Blizzard. take it to the Forums.Warthok Talk Contribs 11:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

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