The banner for Warsong Gulch is NOT a banner for Warsong. I don't know what the hell Blizzard is thinking using the banner for BLACK TOOTH GRIN clan for WARSONG.

In fact, you kill one of the leaders, Rend Blackhand, of the Black Tooth Grin clan in Blackrock Spire.

I agree, the tabards should be replaced by the colors worn by Warsong orcs in WCIII, which was a purple garment, and not black. -- Lilythmageborn
the tabards on the emissaries are still black, but the flags depicting the sysmbol of Warsong is now red. Eman91 00:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)Eman91 25 February 2008 18:32 (PST)

It's not the Black Tooth Grin logo as far as I can tell, it's the Warsong Logo on a black tabard... I'm pretty sure Chris Metzen knows what he's doin'.--Valkors 22:12, 29 April 2006 (EDT)

Well, if he does, then he wasn't involved in this particular decision. Because although the tabards that the Warsong guys wear bear the Warsong Clan symbol (two eyes, a nose, and a huge open maw), the banners that appear throughout the major horde cities bear the symbol of the Black Tooth Grin Clan (two rows of teeth with one of the teeth missing). Blizzard should definitely fix this, cuz it's a major oops.

Ah, I never noticed the banners... has anyone brought this to the attention of blizzard? --Valkors 01:02, 3 May 2006 (EDT)

Someone must have, because the Warsongs now at least have a banner with a red background, but the tabards are still black. Perhaps in the near future that will change, though I wager it will not. -- Lilythmageborn
Grom warsong banner
Blizzard should return to the purple color. Red one is the major color of the Horde, while the current Warsong tabard (skull-face, with teeth being the most clearly seen, on black background) does resemble the Black Tooth Grin too much. And I mean the dark purple as seen in W3, as no other clan (except Twilight's Hammer, now-extinct, who used rather violet colour than purple, at least in W2) uses it. Oh, and I added a picture to show those who don't believe that it is Warsong Clan banner. --Sul'jin 16:49, 12 January 2007 (EST)

Twilight's hammer is not extinct its just started to allow in more races other than orcs and ogres, Twilight Hammer Cult is still the clan.Baggins 19:37, 12 January 2007 (EST)
Twilight's Hammer Cult. Just a bunch of survivors that somehow managed to evade Doomhammer's wrath, which retained only the name and it's former leader's destructive nature, nothing more. In addition, aided by some weaklings and serving an Old God. As an orcish clan they're no longer exist for me. (Too much RP... Gotta sleep more...) But let's go back to the topic. --Sul'jin 19:59, 12 January 2007 (EST)
Actually according to Horde Player's Guide;
"While the truth behind how this happened remains a mystery, the modern Twilight's Hammer retains the destructive nature of Cho'gall's clan, but almost nothing else. Somehow, one of the Old Gods has managed to make this clan its pawn; and since that time, the clan's numbers and power have dramatically increased. Even humans and other former members of the Alliance flock to join the service of the elemental lords and help bring about the complete destruction of Azeroth. The largest groups of the twilight's hammer now camp near the locations where they believe the Old Gods and their minions are sealed away; many wait for C'thun's awakening in Silithus, and others serve Ragnaros in the Blackrock Depths along side the Dark Iron dwarves."[1] (HPG 169)Baggins 02:00, 13 January 2007 (EST)
But not being apart of the Horde, including other races means that they are no longer a clan. They are a cult. you can't have a orcish clan if only 10% of it is orc. I say 10% because Doomhammer wipe most of them off the face of Azeroth. It's like the Burning Blade cult, they were a clan, but lost that status after a series of events.

Why is Warsong in a pink color in the clan list? The clan colors were black and purple. Baldr 9/17/07

Article name

Is "Warsong Clan" the in-game name, or is it "Warsong Outiders", which currently redirects here? We could either have articles on both if they are distinguishable, like Stormpike Guard and Stormpike Clan, or choose one or the other to cover both.--Aeleas 13:31, 11 January 2007 (EST)

It is the "Warsong Clan". Warsong Outrider is just a type of class for the Warsong orcs, that could be likened to the Orgrimmar Grunt, though "Orgrimmar" is not yet a clan. But yes, there are various orc clans, and the Warsong Clan is one of them. -- Lilythmageborn
It is actually the "Warsong Outriders" who are the WSG faction. The reputation screen description is "Fierce orcs of the Warsong Clan, locked in battle against the Silverwing Sentinels." I don't know if there is enough information for a separate article; Silverwing Sentinels looks pretty bare. The article should at least mention, though, that it the Outriders as a particular group within the Warsong Clan that forms the battleground faction.--Aeleas 01:17, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Grom fixation

The dialogue from one of the FMV cutscenes of Warcraft 3 has been added to the article. However, its relevance is IMO spurious, and its ortography dubious. Suggestions?--Larris

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