Talk: Timeline

It says something about Spoiler Protection of some sort, so that a reader has to select the text to see the information. It gives an example of this, but it does not occur in any part of the Timeline. What's the point of it then?--Neri 05:33, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

Math

I could have sworn that Warcraft 3 took place 15 years after Warcraft II, yet it's listed as 19 years. 6 + 15 does not equal 25. -Kongurous 23:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

That date has been changed many times, the listing here is the most up to date resolution of the date and should be correct. I can't confirm because I don't know the detials or the source anymore, as i stupidly didn't make notes. Baggins, who heavily contributed to this behind the scenes can probably answer it better. -- Zeal ^(T/C) 23:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, seems its the result of changes post-wow to the timeline via the RPG and novels. See the more recent official timelines for details. -- Zeal ^(T/C) 00:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

War of the shifting sands, problem.

the timeline on the main page shows the war of the shifting sands to happen before the war of the ancients, but that conflicts with events detailed in the war of the ancients trilogy. During the war malfurian was young and not yet mated to Tyrande, but in wow it is quite clear that malfurion's son was killed by General Rajaxx of the Quirajii, not to mention that during the war of the ancients malfurion was somewhat unknown and in the war of the shifting sands he was clearly a powerful leader of his people.

Malfurion doesn't have a son. You're confusing Malfurion with Fandral Staghelm. -- Maenos 22:29, 14 November 2006 (EST)

In

[The War of the Shifting Sands] Shiromar recalls the war "as if it were only yesterday and not a thousand years past" during the opening of the scarab wall. Not very precise but that may help place the war in the timeline. I cannot find any reference to the war as occurring prior to the war of the anchients as described above. Can anyone else locate such a source? Micron 22:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

It was said to to be one thousand years ago in TBC manual as well.Baggins 22:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

"The spirit of Balnazzar"

In the section of the article entitled Between 21 and 25 Years After the First War, there's a note that the "spirit of Balnazzar [...] possesses the body of the paladin Saiden Dathrohan." This seems inaccurate, since when you kill Dathrohan, he transforms into Balnazzar, not resurrects Balnazzar. It seems more likely that the dreadlord is actually masquerading as this paladin rather than possessing his body. See the article on Balnazzar for more information. I'd like to change that note to something more accurate but can't quite think of what that might be yet. User:Montag/sig

Well actually it is a possession, of a corpse.Baggins 16:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Revision as of 19:29, 7 January 2007 (EST)

This timeline has been compiled and completele revised to match the latest official sources, taking retcons into account. The events and sources are now marked and offlinked from the timeline. This means all events Blizzard consider important and have provided an ability to order and determine relations by are present. This means no adding on random notes of events from the sources, as these are already included in the written accounts and the sources from Blizzard and would be very messy, difficult to place, and would result in admins needing to determine what what deserves to be added, and when enough is enough. It's better to leave this up to Blizzard. Feel free to question and discuss issues you may see, and make correction. I will be revising this personally on the release of each new source a information revealed from them. --Zeal (talk - contr - web) 19:29, 7 January 2007 (EST)

To-Do

Rest of the In-Game books
In-game stories and pecies of text
War of the Shifting sands and other patch related stories from the official site
Double checking all the RPG placements

Update

Just to point out i'm no longer maintaining this page (infact, i stopped a long time ago now). I will however be updating the one in my userspace here from which anyone is welcome to update this one where they see fit. -- Zeal ^(T/C) 12:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Add the fall of the Betrayer?

Maybe we should add a few events to the latest facts of this timeline.--K ) (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The Temple of Atal'Hakkar and the Gurubashi Empire

In the world dungeons page the temple's destruction is described as "over a thousand years ago". DO we have enough information to be more precise and relate the initial summoning of Hakkar to other events in the timeline or the Gurubashi empire's history? Micron 22:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

New Horde

Lord of the Clans and the New horde are misplaced. They would allow for Thrall to be only 10 year old during the liberation of the orcs, who's lethargy would have only lasted two years with this placement. Also, Lord of the Clans takes place at roughly the same time as Of Blood and Honor, which is listed as taking place ten years later.Tweak the Whacked 21:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Well this is a difficult issue, but I recommend you look at all versions of the the timelines and note that LOTC is placed all over the place on every time timeline... There are issues with each one... Not even the ingame/TBC established dates match up with other timelines published or released in other locations. In anycase I forget where I put down the numbers, but LOTC placement has varied anywhere between 7 and 20 years before TBC depending on the timelines... --Baggins 23:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)!!!23:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

This is a case of Blizzard not thinking or planning well.

There is no possible way for Thrall to have been found as an infant during the time calculated by The New Horde. No matter which timeline you use to place the events included it, they all prove the date in to be false. This means the presumed age (18-20) is also wrong.

Having said that, i've gone back over and expanded the span of LotC and other text that match it's events so they better reflect the length of events given by other timelines. Those events basically now span from 8-24. This leaves the New Horde starting around 14, which means Thrall was actually only 4-6 (as we only knew he was an infant, typically 1-2 years old, when found) when he started fighting, 6-8 when he escaped and 10-12 when he becomes warchief. Ridiculous i know, but it's just evident to how poorly the Warcraft timeline has been managed.

You can see my changes at User:Zeal/Sandbox/Source:Timeline (unofficial) -- Zeal ^(T/C) 01:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Additions

I added in Ghostlands after Shadows of Ice, World of Warcraft (Wildstorm comic) immediately before the Burning Crusade (it occurs before the Exodar's crash, but perhaps after the Blood Elves have joined the Horde), and Dragons of Outland immediately after the Burning Crusade, since it's fairly safe to assume that's when it'll be set.

I'm also curious about whether or not it might be a nice idea to include signifigant content patches and world events (which were referenced in the BC manual's "Then and Now: Conflict and Triumph in the World of Warcraft"), listed using their official titles. For example:

World of hostilities

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Shadows & Light ends«
Rise of the Horde
World of Warcraft (Wildstorm comic)
Before the Storm
The Dark Portal Opens
World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade
The Black Temple
Dragons of Outland
The Gods of Zul'Aman

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World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

I'm not sure exactly how some of the older stuff would fit in around the RPG books, though I imagine the Monster Guide would have to be after the Scourge Invasion. Input? Suzaku 23:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll address in more detail later, but theres re some inconsistancies that have made Ghostlands hard to place (but i see you've settled for the same placement as myself).

I had intended to added lore and events added by the large content patches, but hadn't got round to it yet. Seem to placed correctly at a glance.

Dragons of Outland certainly occurs post TBC, though it remains uncertain if it happens before 2.1 and 2.3 yet. I'd think it happens before them both. -- Zeal ^(T/C) 01:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, the thing about Ghostlands is that it couldn't take place that long after Shadows of Ice, only about the length of time it would take for Dar'khan to fly to Quel'thalas on his dragon (Frostwyrm? Well, whatever it is...).

Most of the WoW patches are guesses, really just there more for an example, though I did try to place them roughly in the right timeframe. As for the Dragons of Outland, it's hard to say, since it's also supposed to lead into Wrath content, which could very well deal with Kalecgos being enslaved and other issues with the upcoming Sunwell Plateau content patch. There's also the possibility there will be multiple books, which could span a signifigant amount of the Burning Crusade "cycle".

There's also the fact that most of the patch pages don't offer a great deal of information lorewise, so perhaps some articles detailing the major events of the World of Warcraft and Burning Crusade cycles could be called for? Suzaku 09:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

The main thing to tage into account is that Sunwell trilogy and Lands of Conflict have to overlap.

1. The first book of Sunwell trilogy shows tarren mill before its taken over by the Scourge.

2. Brann Bronzebeard is journeying north on his way to plaguelands and later Quel'Thalas when he reachs Hillsbrad. He reaches it after its fallen and the Forsaken have already taken over.

3. He reaches Quel'Thalas before Silvermoon has been taken back by the Blood Elves. The Blood Elves are still trying to fight back from Quel-Danas (Sunwell Island).

4. Ghostlands takes place right after they have recaptured Silvermoon.

5. Brann sends the book to his brother sometime later, and starts on his Lands of Mystery journey.

In other words both books occur in around the same period of time.Baggins (talk) 06:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Info goes where?

I am not sure where to put this or if it is even evidence. In the Last Guardian there are a few quotes about demons being on Azeroth in the beginning. "In the First Days, there were demons in the land, and great heroes arose to drive them out." "From that, the general belief is that when the demons were defeated, they were driven out of this world entirely. They were pushed out of the light and living, and into thier own domain." Rolandius (talk) 11:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Not here, that's for sure. :p Probably best to put a mention of early apperances of Demons in Guardians_of_Tirisfal to expand upon what's there. If my memeory serves me correctly (which it usually doesn't) those extracts are in reference to the uncontrolled use of Arcane magic bringing in members of the Burning Legion and the need for a Guardian to exist to counter that. If not, then perhaps just in a an article about demons :S -- Zeal ^(T/C) 20:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The Speculation tag is not an excuse for random crap

If your gonna leave a BS statement like "but should be as accurate as, and more complete than, what Blizzard have provided" in the article, then you still need citations and references to justify where things go in the timeline. Using a {{Speculation}} tag does not exempt a page or section. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7:39 PM PST 5 Sep 2008

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