Talk: Timeline

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It says something about Spoiler Protection of some sort, so that a reader has to select the text to see the information. It gives an example of this, but it does not occur in any part of the Timeline. What's the point of it then?--Neri 05:33, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

War of the shifting sands, problem.

the timeline on the main page shows the war of the shifting sands to happen before the war of the ancients, but that conflicts with events detailed in the war of the ancients trilogy. During the war malfurian was young and not yet mated to Tyrande, but in wow it is quite clear that malfurion's son was killed by General Rajaxx of the Quirajii, not to mention that during the war of the ancients malfurion was somewhat unknown and in the war of the shifting sands he was clearly a powerful leader of his people.

Malfurion doesn't have a son. You're confusing Malfurion with Fandral Staghelm. -- Maenos 22:29, 14 November 2006 (EST)

"The spirit of Balnazzar"

In the section of the article entitled Between 21 and 25 Years After the First War, there's a note that the "spirit of Balnazzar [...] possesses the body of the paladin Saiden Dathrohan." This seems inaccurate, since when you kill Dathrohan, he transforms into Balnazzar, not resurrects Balnazzar. It seems more likely that the dreadlord is actually masquerading as this paladin rather than possessing his body. See the article on Balnazzar for more information. I'd like to change that note to something more accurate but can't quite think of what that might be yet. User:Montag/sig

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 It says something about Spoiler Protection of some sort, so that a reader has to select the text to see the information. It gives an example of this, but it does not occur in any part of the Timeline. What's the point of it then?--[[User:Neri|Neri]] 05:33, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)
-I'm going to admit the various timelines released by Blizzard are screwed up. Each labels the events in the games at different points in time.
-==Timeline Issues==
-It seems that various timelines printed in official sources don't seem to agree with each other and get retconned every now and then...
-For example, the timeline in [[Lands of Conflict]] is different than timeline in first edition of the [[Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game]], Second edition has a different timeline than in Lands of Conflict, and Lands of Mystery makes refrences to the timeline as it is in the second edition sourcebook.
-The books themselves describe events in a clear order, often stating that a book takes place after a previous book. The events described in every sourcebook predate the start of the World of Warcraft RPG. The newest book, [[Lands of Mystery]] clearly takes place before World of Warcraft, as Brann Bronzebeard has not yet gone missing, as per introduction lore in World of Warcraft manual.
-Here are some examples.
-The first edition sourcebook clearly states that it is set approximately one year(26 years after WC1) after the events of Reign of Chaos, which it states occured 25 years after WC1. However it briefly touches on what will happen later that year(events of frozen throne). Each sourcebook released after it are approximately one year after the events of Frozen Throne.
-Lands of Conflict "adjusted"* the timeline around a bit moving the events of Warcraft 3 backwards to 20 years after Warcraft 1, with many of the events set after it adjusted between 20-25 years after warcraft 1. The book taking place at a newly adjusted "25 years after WC1". This version of the timeline seems to be the one used in this article. It seems to be the least reliable version.
-The second edition of World of Warcraft RPG uses the same timeline from Warcraft RPG first edition, with Warcraft 3 being set 25 years after WC1. However it sets the new book at 30 years after WC1(just after the events of Lands of Conflict), approximately 2 years after Frozen Throne. Refrences in Lands of Mystery state that it takes place 2 years after Frozen Throne as well, clearly in refrence to the second edition book, placing it in the same year as the second edition. Since Brann Bronzebeard is not yet missing it occurs before the start of World of Warcraft. Which would be approximately 32 years after WC1 going by that version of the timeline.
-Metzen is said to be in charge of the timelines printed in various official sources, but I'm beginning to think he doesn't really have a clear idea, how much time passes between each event. But considering that Lands of Conflict's version seems to be least reliable timeline compared to other sources, I think it should be ignored, and this article adjusted to reflect the most current printed timeline. At least until blizzard changes its mind again..
--[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 02:36, 15 April 2006 (EDT)
-Now, we have yet another official timeline in [[Alliance Player's Guide]], june 2006...[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 07:46, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
 == War of the shifting sands, problem. ==
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 In the section of the article entitled [[Timeline#Between 21 and 25 Years After the First War|Between 21 and 25 Years After the First War]], there's a note that the "spirit of Balnazzar [...] possesses the body of the paladin Saiden Dathrohan." This seems inaccurate, since when you kill Dathrohan, he transforms into Balnazzar, not resurrects Balnazzar. It seems more likely that the dreadlord is actually masquerading as this paladin rather than possessing his body. See the article on [[Balnazzar]] for more information. I'd like to change that note to something more accurate but can't quite think of what that might be yet. {{User:Montag/sig}}
-== Epoch ==
-I was wondering, for us in articles, if we could establish a WoW version of AD and BC. Blizzard have been going off the first war/first warcraft game, so i've made a few ideas i'd like to propose.
-# War:
-#*BW - Before War
-#*AW - Anno War
-# Warcraft (Short):
-#*BW - Before Warcraft
-#*AW - Anno Warcraft
-# Warcraft (Long):
-#*BWC - Before Warcraft
-#*AWC - Anno Warcraft
-# First War:
-#*BFW - Before First War
-#*AFW - Anno First War
-Let me know what you think. --[[User:Zeal|<span title="Zeal Vurte">Zeal</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Talk">talk</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Contributions">contr</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[http://www.zealvurte.co.uk <span title="Zeal's Website">web</span>])</small> 00:23, 28 December 2006 (EST)
-:The only problem I have with it is that there isn't any straightforward locked down timeline and Blizzard keeps on releasing a new timeline, with changes practically every time they release a new book or game, :p...
-:Its the main reason I've been hesistant to give specific dates when I list information from the RPG. This article has some accuracy issues as well, sometimes refrencing a hodge podge of dates from random timelines, including the first one established in Warcraft I & 2, and later ones.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 00:27, 28 December 2006 (EST)
-::Well until i see reason otherwise, i'm sticking with what makes sense in terms of timelines, which i expressed in [[Talk:War of the Ancients (Alternate History)|War of the Ancients]]. Makes it straightfoward and locked down enough for me. Was merely considering appending (New) and (Old) to dates. --[[User:Zeal|<span title="Zeal Vurte">Zeal</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Talk">talk</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Contributions">contr</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[http://www.zealvurte.co.uk <span title="Zeal's Website">web</span>])</small> 00:52, 28 December 2006 (EST)
-:::So you are saying you just want to say happens before event, or after event, but don't plan to be super "specific" with numbering the dates?[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 00:54, 28 December 2006 (EST)
-::::I plan to be specific with dates as Blizzard wish to give, eg. Warcraft 3 = 21 AW (Old). --[[User:Zeal|<span title="Zeal Vurte">Zeal</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Talk">talk</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Contributions">contr</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[http://www.zealvurte.co.uk <span title="Zeal's Website">web</span>])</small> 01:01, 28 December 2006 (EST)
-:::::Well there you see we have a problem, which timeline from Blizzard do we choose? One time line states Warcraft 3 ends in year 21 {{Cite|WoWOSG|39}}, another states it ended in year 20 {{Cite|LoC|35}}, and some of the most recent timelines says it ended 25 years or in some 26 after {{Cite|APG|161}}{{Cite|WoWRPG|11}}{{Cite|WRPG|33}}. Or you can go back to the warcraft 3 manual itself, it gives yet another date, and I'm sure I'm not refrencing every possible timeline option out there...
-:::::You only used one event for an example, and I just refrenced 3 seperate timelines used by Blizzard, and I can assure you that for some individual events, they have been moved up or down the timeline into different years each timeline, so they don't all match up.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 01:12, 28 December 2006 (EST)
-::::::So many edit conflicts :p Didn't realize retcons were a topic up for debate for this issue :p Newest official source is always the most accurate source. In most cases, WoW, or it's website, is that source. I can't see any reason to ever reference retconed timelines unless it's a talk about the differences or the timeline specific to that source, and in that case, it's easy enough to append the source to the differing dates. --[[User:Zeal|<span title="Zeal Vurte">Zeal</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Talk">talk</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Contributions">contr</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[http://www.zealvurte.co.uk <span title="Zeal's Website">web</span>])</small> 01:23, 28 December 2006 (EST)
-Nope the official site's timeline is not the newest timeline source, it hasn't been updated or altered in ages. Infact most of it is just taken from the Warcraft 3 manual, or WoW manual, which are also out of date. To be honest Blizzard's most recent released timeline would have to be the one in [[Alliance Player's Guide]]. I think to be fair we would have to post every single possible timeline Blizzard ever released, and let people decide for themselves from that. But that is not needed on individual pages.
-Ingame WoW does not have a specific timeline either, quests happen out of order, and some events have not yet occured in the literature side of events either.
-This is one reason why bookkeepers as a whole have probably avoided using specific dates... Too much of a chance of Blizzard changing things yet again.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 01:26, 28 December 2006 (EST)
-:With you on the WoW out of order events, would never record them in a timeline until after WoW is over or Blizzard do one themselves tbh. But i still say the only timeline that needs representation across all pages is the most up-to-date version. Would love to see the timelime updated for APG, and rise of the horde (which is undoubtidly the most recent) too. --[[User:Zeal|<span title="Zeal Vurte">Zeal</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Talk">talk</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Contributions">contr</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[http://www.zealvurte.co.uk <span title="Zeal's Website">web</span>])</small> 01:41, 28 December 2006 (EST)
-::Well if RotH is anything like the [[Horde Player's Guide]] orc culture doesn't go for writing down specific dates on events. They just record important events, but don't care when it happened exactly. So they never write down specific timelines, that's an Alliance thing. The Horde tends to just round when they think the event occured, like "About twenty years ago", or "a few years ago", or, "many moons ago", etc.
-:::Well i was more refering to new events and even vague dates we have to add to the timeline for before the war. Btw i've implemented this is my mock npc article, [[User:Zeal/Sandbox/NPC:Broxigar#Timeline_2|Broxigar]], very simplistic though. --[[User:Zeal|<span title="Zeal Vurte">Zeal</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Talk">talk</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Contributions">contr</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[http://www.zealvurte.co.uk <span title="Zeal's Website">web</span>])</small> 01:53, 28 December 2006 (EST)
-::I've started listing the highlights of Blizzard's 2006 Alliance Player's guide timeline. You can find it at [[Timeline (APG)]].[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 02:00, 4 January 2007 (EST)