Talk:Terenas Menethil II

Two questions

Two questions regarding the information as posted:

1. Was it not through Terenas's throat Frostmourne was driven? It always looked that way, and the sort of raspy noise that escapes Terenas as he dies made me think so. Maybe I was wrong...

2. It states that King Terenas's remains must have been somehow found and brought back, as the coffin inscription states that. However, isn't it possible they just wrote that because they wouldn't want people knowing that Arthas went and stole what remained of their king? I mean, I doubt we'll ever actually find out, but I'd think this more reasonable/plausible.

--Wasted 00:20, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

According to Christopher Lee ( Saruman in the LotR film trilogy ) that's the sound someone makes when stabbed in the back, and being impaled through the heart might have a similar effect. He was in the British Special Somethingorother in World War II and I guess saw alot of people get stabbed, and heard the noise they made. If you have the extended edition of Return of the King you'd be able to see him talking about that. I think it's on one of those huge WETA featurettes. If Frostmourne were driven through Terenas' throat, the only sound he'd probably be able to manage would be a raspy gasp, followed by a low gurgling noise. Super Bhaal 10:13, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

What's this about Frostmourne whispering to Arthas? Sounded alot like Arthas was talking. Super Bhaal 20:27, 21 February 2007 (EST)

It's Arthas' voice. But whether it was Arthas' speaking, or Ner'zhul speaking to Arthas is up to interpretation. Personally I think it was Arthas talking to himself.--Aldrius 02:25, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

I always thought that it was Nerzul speaking at first, but Arthas then adressed King Terenas himself. I'll admit that the voices did sound pretty similiar, though. Swiftstar 01:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)Swiftstar

Theories about the remains.

Here's an interessting rumour about what lays in the grave: It's rumoured that a few forsaken, more loyal to Terenas than to Sylvanas, went and asked Thrall to call onto the spirits to get the lost ashes from the earth and water and bring it back to where it belongs...--Maibe 04:41, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

Eh. It's probably just Blizzard being forgetful. If you want a real explanation, though. I'd say the best guess is propaganda.--Aldrius 02:26, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

Why didn't the guards do anything?

There were ten guards in the throne room when Arthas killed his father, yet the guards did nothing to help the king. Are we to assume that Arthas' own two guards (obviously corrupted men similiar to acolytes, as no undead could have entered the city unnoticed) took care of these ten men, who without doubt were some sort of elite. Regards, --Theron the Just 23:42, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

That's a very good question. -_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:00, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Perhaps you would like to offer your view? Regards, --Theron the Just 12:48, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Maybe they had to keep guards from Arthas until he kills his father and then he helped them to defeat guards. After all Arthas is far more powerfull than any guard. What i cant figure out its how Arthas left the city. People outside probably heard noise in throneroom and the City was probably hardly protected by guards because of recent attacks of undead. Why they didnt stop him? --Axell 12:59, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

I suggest sheer shock. People act unpredictably under pressure and many would probably have not believed it to be real. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 15:09, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

When he first enters, I seem to recall that there is sounds of a celebration going on. People are happy that he's returned. His father is expecting him to return, so the guards just let him pass, not thinking anything of it (despite his strange clothing, and deterioted look). Once he was up to the throne it was too late for anyone to do anything, because Arthas made his move quickly.Baggins 15:14, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Honestly? For cinematic reasons. That scene builds up to the moment of patricide excellently, and is by far my favorite clip of any of the games. Showing the shocked faces of the guards or whatever happened to them would probably have seriously detracted from this. You don't need a reaction shot, or shot of his two acolytes slaughtering the guards. If they included that, it would reduce the effect of the scene. What happens to the guards is inconsequential, anyways. It's safe to say through a combination of surprise and superior skill, the two acolytes took care of them. The same combination allowed Arthas to leave the city safely. --Mikaka 04:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

@ Baggins: Yeah, visible celebration, complete with rose petals Arthas causes to rot.

@ Mikaka: Looked more like necromancers ( pincer-tipped staves, Gandalf beards, old man posture ). If that were the case, I'm sure they just used some kind of mind-affecting spell or caused their skin to slough off. That or after Arthas made his statement ( which I felt was overdoing it ), he and his guards either gutted everyone else or just hauled ass. RoC Arthas seemed more "hit & run", while TFT Arthas seemed more "why don't I have some fun before I go?". --Super Bhaal 14:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

His two lackeys do run to the sides of the room. I think that was to deal with the guards as well.--SWM2448 23:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

How you could make sense out of what I said back then, I'll never know...but yes, I also noticed that. I also noticed that there were no guards present during his return. Isn't that kind of irresponsible, leaving your ruler's room unprotected? --Super Bhaal 06:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Terenas Menethil II's blood

If you look closely at the bottom of the throne to its right as you're facing it, there is a visible streak of blood on the floor. It is possible that this blood is the king's and was a result of Arthas stabbing him with Frostmourne. --Spectrezh 04:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes blizzard has said it is in fact his blood in quite a few places, once i know for sure on the CE dvd. Warthok Talk Contribs 07:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Yep, looks like his blood was high in iron content, too. --Super Bhaal 07:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Fan Art

Terenas, by User:Xavius

Concentration Camps?

I am editing it from concentration camps to internment camp.

Not only is that a lot more accurate because Blizzard in every single official piece of lore, and in game, and in unofficial lore has called them Internment Camps, but the helpless Orcs are actually described in Lord of the Clans, and anybody who thinks the conditions was similar to the very unique horrors of the nazis is seriously intellectually challenged.

I'm sorry to sound so harsh, and I apologize if I broke the rule by being so, but lets face it. King Terenas was not commiting genocide, if he was Blizzard wouldn't have him actually be a topic of honor for the Horde during childrens week.

--LangstonTheCoward (talk) 03:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

While I do agree with the change on the basis that they are officially called internment camps in lore, the Nazis did not invent concentration camps, nor were they the only ones who employed them; theirs were merely the most brutal and well-known. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 05:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

While generally speaking they are called internment camps, I seem to recall coming across the use of "concentration camp" in a warcraft source once, oddly enough. Can't remember where it was though.Baggins (talk) 05:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Although, there are supremacists in Warcraft lore according to WoWWiki. I think the people behind the idea of the orc camps, which i think were internment camps, were probably not supremacists. Some people even cared enough to study why the orcs were becoming lethargic and also some orcs meet humans and vice versa and had children. Rolandius (talk - contr) 06:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation?

Some of us bandwagon WoW whippersnappers have never heard either his first or last name spoken aloud - and some of us also lack the right computers to go out and play WC3. Could someone add a basic pronunciation to the top of the article? We probably don't need any fancy upside-down dictionary symbols, just a tip on which syllables are emphasized. Thanks. :) Bluemalkin (talk) 02:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

His name is spoken aloud in the Warcraft 3 intro, which you could probably find on YouTube. The stress is on the "Ter" part of his name. TARE-uh-nus. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Not like Tyranasarus? Rolandius (talk - contr) 06:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Length of Reign

I just read Rise of the Lich King (which is why I'm putting it here, and not in the article itself) and the confrontation between Arthas (as a death knight) and Uther has been changed somewhat - instead of "your father ruled this land for seventy years", Uther says fifty years. Did Golden (or perhaps Blizzard's lore people) change Terenas' age and length of reign? Admittedly, I thought ruling for seventy years and having a kid in his 20s was pushing it just a tad...then again, we don't know how old Terenas was when he took the throne, either. --Joshmaul (talk) 16:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Voice Actor

This page listed Tony Jay as providing Terenas' voice in the Wrath of the Lich King cinematic. This is unlikely; he died over two years before WotLK came out, and his IMDb page[1] lists no involvement with any Warcraft games. Terenas was more likely voiced by Earl Boen, who narrates the introductions you get when you make a new character.[2] Egrem (talk) 20:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The intro guy and Terenas from the opening sound very much the same, but I would take anything at IMDB with a 'grain of salt'.--SWM2448 22:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Unless Jay recorded the Wrath intro on August 12, 2006, it isn't that likely that it's him, unless they did a MarlonBrando-as-Jor'El type thing or otherwise synthesized it. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)