Affilation with the Lich King? This seems interesting, as you can build up reputation with the Syndicate by killing NPCs which are classified as Ravenholdt. I'm trying to get to at least neutral with them at the moment, but it takes a long, long while - anyone knows if it's useful? Tinkerer

Hmm it would fit in that they are allied with the scourge because they are at the only lordaeron zones that don´t have any scourge or undeadish units "Hillsbrad, Alterac and Arathi Highlands ('--Frejh 06:32, 28 June 2006 (EDT)',,);

The Argus Wake being affiliated to the Lich King makes no sense. The Lich King is at odds with the Burning Legion and it's clearly stated in the letter, which is the entire basis of what we know about the Argus Wake, that they're trying to summon the legion again. It is also signed "In Sargeras' Name". The fact that the letter calls for "a nation of our own and a base of power in this region" seems to indicate that whoever this group belongs to has no 'nation' as such, unlike the Lich King who has all of Northrend to begin with. Incidentally, Nagaz is another member of the Argus Wake, he sent the letter; but where does that fit with his status as slave of Perenolde? (Berry2K 19 Oct 2006)

Indeed - as (in the article of the Forsaken) the info says Sylvanas wiped out the bigger human strongholds - so is the Syndicate not human? Still though, you can get repuation with them, think I'll try that first and see what happens... Tinkerer

I'm thinking to make a rogue in the next test server, then use him to gain Syndicate rep. That way I won't feel bad about losing all the Ravenholdt rep, as it's only a test character. Amiedala

I'm trying getting neutral withthem aswell, i'm at a good point, unfriendly ATM. As I hit unfriendly i ran into their camp in alterac mountain, just for fun and don't be atked. But some1 atked me anyway, so i look who was and was a Argus shadow mage. so i noticed they aren't member of Syndacate, and is the same with Baron Vardus. I don't know if this is just an in-game thing. but that should mean syndicate isn't directly inluenced by Scourge. or it is, and for dont create mistake('cause u can't get rep with socurge) blizz. made that u can't speak with "argus' army"

i hope my edit helped. I'll hit neutral very soon, as i do that i'll tell you, hoping i'll help you.

bad news guys, today i went in their camp in stromgarde, and i've discovered the same of the lord in there, he sin't a member of syndicate. if u are farming i suggest u to sotp famring for 3 days. That means u can speka only with normal member sof syndicate, and usually they give u nothing of special. in 3 days i'll hit friendly, that day i'll tell u what they give.

To Tinkerer

I saw your edit to my post

well that's not entirely true you write there.. yes my human racial seems to have influence on this .. BUT not all the time

take Myrokos Silentform for example.. I often get 6 (ok racial perhaps) but there are times I get 5

Same for the guards / assassins, I quite common get 1, but sometimes I get 2 (racial)

There's something here quite weird

btw 35000 / 36000 hated now ;) 1000 mobs to go :P

Schoon, That's because one tenth of 5 is 0.5. That means sometimes you'll get 6, and sometimes 5 ;-) Same for the guards. User:Tinkerer true..but well tbh it wasn't "sometimes" :P it was like 10 mobs 6 and 1 mob 5 ;) anyway the below mentioned thing.. is that confirmed? (I haven't had the time to grind that much yet)

I suggest you all to stop farming... Max repu can hit is neutral, and you can speak with none at neutral, so seems they are an useless faction. I've try to talk with all member sof syndicate i know. Maybe ther's some1 with i miss, if u have any advice please tell it. Here or u can call me on server Aszune, horde side, my name is Nicky. bye bye

The faction isn't useless, if you do it right it can be strategic. Think about it: A faction that doesn't attack you, yet that attacks everyone else. Definitely an advantage to anyone who likes to choose their battles wisely. -Mad Hatter

Large picture?

Is the large picture at the top really nessecary?--D3115 20:47, 5 September 2006 (EDT)

I seems normal to have a large picture for each of the factions. It isn't really in the way, so why delete it? :) Tinkerer

I don't think we should delete it, just make it a bit smaller. --TM41 14:54, 4 November 2006 (EST)


Are the Syndicate at heads with the Scarlet Crusade or do they just not bother each other? --TheOneCalledRed - 3:50 2, March 2007

Considering that they are not in the same region,and there appears to be no cooperation with the undead I'd say no,neither side cares what the other does at this point. --Artranian 00:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Syndicate Logo/Insignia

Aside from the Mark of the Syndicate drop, there's no indication of what insignia they may use. I tend to discount the mark because it uses the same icon as Khadgar's Gem of Health from Warcraft 3. For that reason, I created a theoretical Syndicate flag at It is a colored version of the Alterac flag, with the Horde logo removed, as they are no longer aligned with that faction. I didn't want to include it on the Syndicate page because I don't know if we typically include things like there, but if somebody else thinks it's a good idea to add it, go ahead.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dr. Cheis (talkcontr).

I hate to say this when someone speaks so politely and so willing to help, but we can't add this to the article. I agree, it's really well-made and realistic, and on the contrary to most pieces of fan-art here it is not imposed by a smug and angry contributor. Nevertheless, it is not official in any way and it only deserves a place on one of your own pages (user, user talk) and on this talk page. Sorry again, and thanks for posting.--K ) (talk) 21:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Syndicate question&comment

I've noticed that Milton Beats (Giver of the Beatings) is not included in the rep. table, any idea wether he gives rep? As I went over the syndicate artical I thought of a logical reason there is no way to get above neutral with the faction(from a purely RP perspective). The synicate is made up of deposed nobles and whatever mix of thieves they've managed to attract. The nobles cooperate little and would just as soon see each other dead. These guys are barely neutral with each other! In the context of rep. gained you have(at neutral) become seen as a rival noble. All you RPers out there can start styling yourself bandit lords  :) --Artranian 00:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


Well, today I killed a member of the Syndicate and lo and behold, I lost 25 reputation with Syndicate and gained 5 with Ravenholdt. I think I'm going to try killing some more Ravenholdt now, as well as check out if perhaps the Syndicate leaders have become actually members of their own organizations...

What do you mean? You killed a Syndicate and lost rep with them? That sounds like a glitch of sorts... Anyway, I don't see any interesting stuff into getting rep with these rogues, not until we see if the Argus Wake, Searing Blade and Burning Blade gets a bit more of "background"... Or Ravenholdt revealing openly their intentions. -- IconLarge Troll Male [1] , the Necroshadowmancer 23:07, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Current Leader

Who is the current leader? as both of the listed main leaders are dead, Thanks guys Tankingmage (talk) 21:42, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think there is a current leader. I haven't seen anything in the lore, and they've lost the vast majority of their lands. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:35, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
Should we update that? and have current leader as unknown/not applicable/ that the Syndicate has quite likely splintered? :) Tankingmage (talk) 00:00, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
Absolutely - if you find things like that while you're running through pages, feel free to edit away. The worst that will happen is we'll revert a change if there's no/little support for it. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 00:04, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
Sure :) Thanks, I will do :P Also why is my name red? :P Tankingmage (talk) 00:41, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
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