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Faction rep

I was wondering if anyone can help me to get Stormwind faction. Any med lvl zones that give SW faction would be very much appreciated.

I haven't tried it, but this one says it's repeatable and give 25 faction at lvl 40.

Apparently the runecloth hand in is also repeatable, but that's gonna be higher level.

Im 35 (a little more then half way to 36) and im like 2000, 3,000 xp out of 2100 xp, does anyone know any quests that can get me a lot of SW honor? Mr.X8 03:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Turlyon's Statue

Each statue in the valley shows each warrior in prime condition to fight for the alliance.Each not having a single sign of grief....that is..except for turlyon.If you look closely at his statue he seems to be crying.Can anyone give a remote guess about what he is crying for? Thanks Hammerdin

Bowing his head in reverence to the light?--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 22:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Probably because he became a commander after Anduin Lothar died. Yaki 22:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


I thought that 200,000 was a typo and it really is 20,000 according to a footnote on Lands of Conflict. And it makes sense too, because otherwise there would be more dwarves in Stormwind than Ironforge. --Amro 03:35, 1 September 2006 (EDT)

I think it says there are more dwarves in SW then IF Mr.X8 22:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

It was speculated that it may be a typo, however, the population has never been updated in any other source. It was actually reprinted in a later book.Baggins 04:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

That also means there would be more dwarves in Stormwind than HUMANS. -- Dark T Zeratul 06:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Nope, the numbers of humans definitely outnumber the dwarves, 140,000 humans to 28,000 dwarves. Ya the numbers for dwarves in Stormwind does outnumber dwarves in Ironforge, but not the entire Kingdom of Ironforge--Baggins 07:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

200,000 is pretty clearly a mistake, if it were true Stormwind would be more than 10 times larger than any other city in game, which doesn't logically make sense, and as pointed out earlier, it indicates that there are 28,000 Dwarves in Stormwind compared to the total population of Ironforge, which is 20,000. Also, Adam Loyd's website states that the printed population of Stormwind is wrong and should be 25,000. Burzolog (talk) 03:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but remember that RPG writers aren't considered cannonical if they aren't supported by Blizzard; besides there are 2 sources that state 200,000. Also note that the Alliance has 800,000 members so it's not strange if stormwind has 200,000. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 04:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Pig and Whistle?

Can someone site this info? It's not in-game as far as I know. If it's from an outside source, it should have a tag denoting that. --Varghedin (talk · contr) 19:38, 3 January 2007 (EST)

it is--Truckman1 06:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Instance portal

In SW theres what looks to be a gated off instance portal. I know of 3 people who've been in there. All their accounts of whats in there is different. Does anyone know whats in there or how to get in? Mr.X8 03:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

If you search for it on YouTube you'll see how many people got there. Behind the portal is nothing. You'll appear under Stormwind at a untextured flat area.
Hewbie (talk) 13:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a placeholder for what was originally to be player and guild housing, which to date has never been implemented. Deepred (talk) 22:11, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
Source?--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 22:14, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
That's the popular theory, but there's never been any confirmation on that point, and comments by Blizzard regarding player housing in general make it unlikely. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:20, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
I remember asking one of the producers (possibly Metzen) that way back, in 2006 or so. At that point, he needed reminding that it was even there. And that was a year after release. I'm pretty sure whatever plans they had for it are changed by now.--Telperiel (talk) 22:11, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
Somehow got behind the portal by taking the ride from Lakeshire... anyway, it's all empty and although it seems underground, I jumped off one end and fell down by the Stormwind gates, where the corpse spawned. Can't mount inside there and can see under the nearby cliffs, and that's about it. Doucher4000 (talkcontr) 03:13, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


Anyone here that thinks the level design is unfair when it comes to raiding? Like Ogrimmar for example, players can sneak around the back entrance and bypass the level 72 npc in the front. In Stormwind, players have no choice but to take the front. Me and a group of friends tried to raid it, we eventually made it to the King (dying and rez) and we couldn't even attack the King. How unfair is that? -extremepain

Unfair or not... "Working as Intended". City designs is probably one of the few places which Lore takes precidence over "raids". Invin Dranoel 17:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Stormwind has three entrances. 1. Main gate. Duh. 2. Harbor. Swim in, but lots of guards and NPCs. 3. Deeprun Tram. No guards, short walk to the exit, and right next to the Royal Hall. That's where all the raids I've seen have come from. Deiena (talk) 16:38, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


The Half Orc's article says some live in SW, so shouldn't we add them too? Mr.X8 23:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

And Gnomes, there's a lot in the dwarven distrect Airiph/T/C/B 02:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

3?--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 02:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

LOL. Sure you add them to the list after the numbered ones, but don't try give them populations :p.Baggins 02:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Airiph/T/C/B 02:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Wildhammers? Airiph/T/C/B 02:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Are they in the city?Baggins 02:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I dont know,Id imagin because of the gryffen masters Airiph/T/C/B 02:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Not all gryphon masters are Wildhammer. To be sure, look for tattoos. Also most Wildhammer on Azeroth in game are neutral to the players as far as I know.Baggins 17:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Not at Wildhammer Keep or the one in Shadowmoon. I saw those dwarven guards chase a blood elf almost all the way back to the entrance of the Hinterlands.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 17:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah,and I saw that the SW FP is a human female Airiph/T/C/B 18:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Wait, you're lvl 41 and just now you see that the SW Flight master is a human chick!?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 19:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

...maybe I forgot Airiph/T/C/B 19:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

No, all wildhammers attack Horde. I meant neutral to the Alliance, however after I checked in the game, they are now all green to Alliance.Baggins 19:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


in the article where it lists the groups of people who live in SW, under Gnomes someone put harpies. wtf? does ne1 know if a source says or shows harpies in SW? if not it should be removed from the articleDunnsworth 20:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe the rpg meantioned harpies living in the hills above/behind stormwind. honestly can;t remeber though.Warthok Talk Contribs 20:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
seems kinda wierd becuz i havent seen them anywhere outside of kalimdor

Dunnsworth 21:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Harpies are also found in AV.Warthok Talk Contribs 21:18, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
well can ne1 find an official source of lore showing that harpies live within SW, if not i think i should take it out, and i dont think living in the hills around Stormwind counts as living within SW
Was already removed before this conversation. If someone can find the source (im betting on Lands of Conflict). Feel free to place it back up.Warthok Talk Contribs 21:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm thats a differnt page. One talk page for two articles? Nvm this whole stormwind divisions is starting to confuse me.Warthok Talk Contribs 21:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Found the source. LoC pg 53. In the pass north of stormwind. The Harpy entry was in the region article not in the city so it's alright.Warthok Talk Contribs 21:38, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this discussion is in the wrong section. It should be in the region section.Baggins 21:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Portual City

"Lord Anduin Lothar concedes that the Kingdom of Azeroth has been lost. He rallies his countrymen and leads them in a desperate retreat across the Great Sea, eventually landing upon the shores of Lordaeron." -- from First War
"VanCleef commissioned the construction of a gargantuan leviathan of a vessel armed with enough firepower to shell Stormwind into submission." -- from Edwin VanCleef
"A reasonably large shipyard lies on the northeastern part of the city, and provides the Alliance with naval craft." -- from Stormwind#Geography

So, why don't add some of these infos under the lore-only "Stormwind University" in the page? Stormwind undoubtedly has a Harbor. It needs a page too :P GnomeMage Eraclito Runetotem-EU 03:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

In the current Wotlk alpha, Stormind has an harbour added on the western edge of the map, and according to the rumors the boat to Theramore will start from there making room in Menethil for the Northrend boat. On the 2.4.3 PTR there are some construction efforts on the way to the "new harbour". --Hurax (talk) 15:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Suggest merge of Stormwind City and User:Aletto/Guide To Stormwind City

This two articles is almost identical. I think they should be merged. One excellent article is better than two good articles, at least when they cover the same topic.
Hewbie (talk) 13:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Stormwind - renaming of the article

Every faction in the game has the same name as its capital (for example - Ironforge, Silvermoon City, Orgrimmar,...). There is no faction called "Stormwind City", there is only faction called "Stormwind". Thats the reason why this article should be renamed to the "Stormwind", and current Stormwind renamed to "Kingdom of Stormwind". --Novis-M (talk) 17:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

It is confusing because in the game they say the faction is Stormwind and not Stormwind City. I am not sure if they mean Stormwind City when they say just Stormwind or if they are counting the whole Stormwind Kingdom as a faction.  Rolandius Wc3Knight.gif (talk - contr) 17:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
In all other factions they are counting with the city, which is also the faction (see Faction and Reputation). Kingdoms are not important for the game. --Novis-M (talk) 17:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I know, but Stormwind I guess is huge. It would have been nice if they just made the faction Stormwind City instead of Stormwind then.  Rolandius Wc3Knight.gif (talk - contr) 17:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Kingdom of Stormwind is huge, not the city itself, and every faction and player belong to their capital. So I think we both are for the renaming this article to the "Stormwind". --Novis-M (talk) 17:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
The official name of the "kingdom of Stormwind" is actually just "Stormwind" in published lore. Yes, a second definition of "Stormwind" is for the faction. Stormwind City is not a faction, but the capital of "Stormwind". This really shouldn't be that difficult to understand. Yes, to make things more confusing, Stormwind City is often abbreviated to simply "Stormwind" itself in many of those published sources, making a third usage for the term.Baggins (talk) 17:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Problem is, we link to Stormwind City, as if it is the faction. Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it is the faction, but under the name of "Stormwind". --Novis-M (talk) 21:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The Stormwind humans page is more of the factions page, or should be in this instance. The city page is more about info about the "city". All these things can all be called "stormwind". I could suggest making Stormwind a disambig, and have it go to Stormwind (kingdom) (or kingdom of Stormwind, if preferred), Stormwind City, and Stormwind human like we have done with the Lordaeron and Azeroth disambig pages. It might also be possible to create a specific Stormwind (faction) page devoted to just faction rep information. It should be noted that "kingdom of" is more of a description rather than a proper title for the countries in question, and thus kingdom is usually lower case rather than upper case.Baggins (talk) 00:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
When I started my character I was put in Northshire Abbey and not Stormwind City. So does that still count as a Stormwind human? I think it is getting confusing because on the one hand, I read that Stormwind does not go much beyond the city and that Stormwind Kingdom broke away from the Kingdom of Azeroth. On the other hand, I read that there are Stormwind humans, a Stormwind faction that is not just the city, and also that Stormwind's control stretches to the Redridge Mountains and Duskwood. After reading all these pages, it seems that Stormwind is both just a city but then at the same time a huge kingdom. Also, after reading all these pages, it seems like the Kingdom of Azeroth is the same as the Kingdom of Stormwind, but then at the same time that the Kingdom of Azeroth lost a small piece of land and acted like it had to change its name? I found all this by just reading the pages Stormwind and Stormwind City. Which is the correct story?  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 02:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Just as their are several uses of Lordaeron there are several uses of Stormwind, and several uses of Azeroth. The stormwind humans bit comes from the WoW manual and website. Yes you start in Northshire Valley, but your character is said to be from Stormwind in the manual. Its similar to how Ironforge dwarves start outside of Ironforge. Draenei of Exodar start outside of Exodar. Orcs of Ogrimarr start outside of Ogrimarr, et cetera, ad nauseum.Baggins (talk) 02:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok what about the rest of the stuff? Does the Azeroth Kingdom no longer exist? Is Stormwind Kingdom just the city and Elwynn Forest? Also, if the Stormwind faction is not the same as Stormwind City or the Kingdom of Stormwind, then what is it exactly?  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 03:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Azeroth the kindom more or less is more closely related to the most of the Azeroth continent. Actually in some uses the continent and kingdom may refer the "same" region. While the continent definitely still exists; the original kingdom no longer exists (the original boundaries have more or less been erased, the article for kingdom of Azeroth tries to explain things in more detail). Stormwind faction relates more to the faction of people from Stormwind (who have moved to various places in the world or live in stormwind) than the region itself.

Finally kingdom of Stormwind is considered a region seperate from Elwynn Forest, that is Elwynn Forest is considered its own region, and Stormwind is another region altogether. Although in the MMO the two overlap onto the same map somwwhat (although Stormwind does get its own seperate map ingame). MMO's presentation is a matter of game mechanics though, and not necessarily lore. As mentioned previously the MMO's maps do not represent "real world " scale, and some things get truncated a bit.Baggins (talk) 03:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay so when the Kingdom of Azeroth broke apart, only the Kingdom of Stormwind was significant? All the other groups did not become kingdoms but instead just small regions? The Stormwind Faction is more of a decentralized faction while the other 90% of them are centralized factions?  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 03:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Well all the smaller regions are either influenced by Stormwind (though they each have their own governments) or in the case of Westfall "independent". I wouldn't say any of the factions are "centralized" exactly, you'll run into members of each of the factions all over the worlds.Baggins (talk) 03:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but it seems like the faction of Stormwind is the only faction people are getting confused with. Unless I am forgetting a faction, Stormwind is the only faction that is both a city and a kingdom, with land stretching way beyond the city borders.  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 03:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it is confusing, Blood Elves have also their faction called "Silvermoon City", and have no kingdom. I agree with Baggins, he wrote exactly what I just want to say: I could suggest making Stormwind a disambig, and have it go to Stormwind (kingdom) (or kingdom of Stormwind, if preferred), Stormwind City, and Stormwind human like we have done with the Lordaeron and Azeroth disambig pages. This is the best solution, let the people choose what they want to read. Everything will point to this disambig page called "Stormwind", and that is much better than what we have now - 50% of pages point to Stormwind, another 50% point to Stormwind City - simply chaos. --Novis-M (talk) 08:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh you guys already made disambig, thats great. Now we should redirect every "Stormwind" and "Stormwind City" link to this disambig page. I'm new here on wowwiki, but I can see that it works perfectly - I had a problem, I wrote it down, everybody read it and talked about it and solution came quickly thanks to you. Thanks for help! --Novis-M (talk) 09:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about Novis-M, you were the original person that was confused and started asking about the faction. Yes, Blood Elves have a faction called Silvermoon City and no kingdom, which is what I just said in my last entry. Also, you did not say what Baggins just said. You said we should change the names of the actual pages.  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 09:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Thats not difference if we have Stormwind (disambig) or Stormwind, so I agree with him now, after the discussion. Yes, I was confused and I was not alone. I was just answering this: When I started my character I was put in Northshire Abbey and not Stormwind City. So does that still count as a Stormwind human? - I was trying to say that blood elves also not start in their city, although their faction is called "Silvermoon City". --Novis-M (talk) 09:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok are we all agreed that all mentioning of the Stormwind faction should point to the page Stormwind human? I think Baggins stated, "The Stormwind humans page is more of the factions page, or should be in this instance." It looks like we agreed on this now.  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 09:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think so, Stormwind faction is now Stormwind Kingdom, because it is huge and important, and as we said, SW city is not the faction. Other factions has no similar big kingdoms, only cities, so Stormwind is exception. I think that links should point to disambig page. --Novis-M (talk) 09:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay everyone just got done saying that the faction was not the kingdom or city. Now your saying it is the kingdom, but you want to point the faction to the disambig page?  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 09:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I think its better to point to disambig page so people are able to choose. --Novis-M (talk) 10:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

So people are able to choose which page is the faction? The disambig page is there so that when someone searches for "Stormwind" they can pick which "Stormwind" they were looking for. I don't think a faction should point to a disambig page.  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 10:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
You're right, but theres problem with the faction. Look, every other faction consist only of the city. Stormwind faction is not only SW city nor only SW kingdom, it has something about 75% of the kingdom and 25% of the city. With the disambig page I think it is OK now. --Novis-M (talk) 10:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
If everyone else agrees with that than okay.  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 10:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Stormwind's other flag

Stormwind flag.png

Does this flag represent Stormwind also?  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 10:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Alliance taxi flag.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh I see. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 02:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Location of Stormwind Now vs. Warcraft II

Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but I have had this question for a while. When the survivors of the fall of Stormwind fled the Orc Horde, they fled across the sea to Lordaeron, right? This is shown by the opening cinematic of Warcraft II, as well as in the book "Tides of Darkness" by Aaron Rosenberg where Marcus Redpath, upon hearing that Lothar comes from Stormwind, states "Stormwind? But that is across the sea!" How is it now then that both Lordaeron (now Undercity) AND Stormwind are on the same continent (Eastern Kingdoms)? Stormwind was won back by Alliance forces, not rebuilt somewhere else. Is this just a plot hole, something Blizzard is hoping to ignore so that game mechanics work better? I was wondering if anyone had any ideas or could help me with an answer here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Superstition77 (talkcontr).

Plot hole/retcon. It's not "across the sea" anymore, but they still traveled BY sea to reach Lordaeron. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Based on the Warcraft II map, a sea route may have been much faster, and it is between the two cities.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
A combination of all the above? Although both Lordaeron/Undercity and Stormwind are part of the continent of the Eastern Kingdoms, they are also on two different continents because the Eastern Kingdoms was actually made up of 4 continents (3 in WoW) (Azeroth, Khaz Modan, Lordaeron, and Quel'Thalas). Lordaeron/Undercity is part of the continent of Lordaeron, while Stormwind is part of the continent of Azeroth. Back to the "across the sea" question. According to this map
, they technically did travel "across the sea" because they went across The Great Sea. To us, it looks like they just went across a "gulf" or something. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 02:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I like the explanation above this post, as it is the one I have been considering lately. Looking at the maps, the sea route between Lordaeron/Southshore and Stormwind would be large enough to be considered a sea, so I guess that answers that. Thanks for the help settling that one!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Superstition77 (talkcontr).


Why does the weather never change in Stormwind? I spend a lot of time there, and it is constantly sunny. I mean, it rains in Darnassus. It snows at the Gates of Ironforge. Exodar is one big building. It rains in Orgrimmar, and it gets foggy. I've seen it drizzle in Silvermoon. I've never been to Thunder Bluff, but I bet it rains there. Undercity is, well, under a rock. Do the mages have nothing better to do than keep the rain away or something? Come on! I'd be happy with a drizzle, Blizz! Deiena (talk) 16:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

The mages at Stormwind know you like rain, they don't like you, and they're keeping it from raining so you don't bug them...and so their gardens don't get flooded. --Super Bhaal (talk) 16:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Nuts to them. Deiena (talk) 15:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
It is so windy that it drives the clouds away. :) Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 12:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Ive noticed this too when i first started playing there was like a monsoon outside the gates where people where dueling..Take one step and its clear and the epic music plays take step back....Monsoon again and i was thinking to myself... Righhhhtttt..... Siggy time! Nicktehplank 14:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

High Elves

High elves. Population says they're there. ... Where? I ain't never seen no high elf in Stormwind. (And that's a triple negative, so it's right.) Deiena (talk) 00:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Well in the MMO World of Warcraft there is one in the mage district. Remember WoW is only a window into into the Warcraft universe, a limited window, and one of many windows. It's not a literal interpetation of the warcraft universe. It takes more than 1 minute to traverse the great sea, and you can't hold entire sets of plate armor in a bag. The information about the number of high elves in Stormwind comes from the Lands of Conflict RPG book.Warthok Talk Contribs 03:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
There's also that mage or portal trainer in the tower in the middle of the Mage District. Blood elf model, high elf "skin" texture. --Super Bhaal (talk) 07:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
You can also add the Wintergrasp Battlemaster, and also a possible ambassador or council member in Stormwind Keep. At the end of the day though, WoW is merely a glimpse of the wider Warcraft universe, although the much smaller Dalaran has a higher concentration of high elves. Deepred (talk) 02:34, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

New population source

I've been reading through a couple of pages, such as Ratchet and The Barrens, as well as this one. I've noticed that a new source is being used from some unofficial RPG guide which seems to be little more than a player's opinion. Why are we switching population numbers to totally random new figures based on unofficial words of a player? It doesn't make sense to me. I'd change it back, but maybe I'm missing sometthing here. Heck, even if you believe the 200,000 was just a typo, where does 25,000 come from? And 7000 for Ratchet?Alliance mage (talk) 11:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

It's from the webpage created by Adam Loyd, one of the writers of the RPG books, that corrects many of the editorial mistakes found in the rpgs. Not just a random fan's opinions, though technicly it has no official capacity. I believe the reason Stormwind doesn't cite his correction is because a later source reaffirmed the 200,000. But i may be wrong.Warthok Talk Contribs 11:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I remember I asked about this and was told by admins that it isn't "official" so it should not go on here. Lo and behold it is now on here and by an admin to boot. Makes you go hmmm. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 11:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Would it then be possible to assume that the populations of the races have a 0 knocked off (i.e Humans would be 14,000 not 140,000 etc.) --Lokarash Snowbite (talk) 18:28, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe, but the problem is that two RPGs show the 200,000. So that means that it's been confirmed by Blizzard. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 18:45, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Worgen in Stormwind City in Cataclysm

It was stated on the Cataclysm website that the Worgens would get a section in Stormwind City. I've been looking carefully at the layout of the city, and doing some ingenious Shaman-style investigations with my shaman alt using her Far Seeing ability and the area behind the Dwarven District overlooking the side of the harbor and to the left of the entrance to the tram is the most likely place for it in my opinion.

Here's some reasons - all my own assumptions and NOT IN ANY WAY anything suggested by Blizzard:

1) If you "glance" over the wall there is a "park-like" area with some tables and chairs arranged as if they're a seating area for inside an inn. The trees are arranged in such a way that there could be roads in the centre of the area.

2) if you're at the harbor and instead of riding right into the city you turn left there is an odd looking "cellar" squeezed in between a stone masonry wall on the left and a house/shop on the right. If you "glance" over the top of this building you see the same grass area. If you stand on the packs in front of the left shop and pan your camera it shows the back of the house and cellar unfinished. In my opinion this could mean these two houses are fillers and may be removed for a road into the park area.

3) In the Dwarven District is an empty building in the corner next to the engineering trainer. Now if you "glance" over the wall behind the trainer the same park is visible. It could easily be that a gated section could be added in this wall similar to the one to the harbor and this building could become the ambassadorial building for the Worgens.

4) The canal between the Cathedral District and Dwarven District could be extended into this park and it could either be an elongated canal or (if Blizzard was more ambitious and daring) it could turn towards the mountain and a special instance entrance where - maybe after a short quest line - one could get a key and then "go diving" in the underground ocean or aquarium visible from the tram when you ride the tram. Easily could make this the same instance as the tram itself so people on the tram could see people diving and maybe make this underground ocean or aquarium a part of the archaeology questing/achievement/gathering system in some way with "hidden treasures" that can be found in there. ;)

Anyway, this is some thoughts I had about the upcoming Worgen area in Stormwind City so please reply to this page if you got any comments. --Iluvcritters (talk) 05:21, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Editing bug

I've noticed the References section has been empty since the Gallery was put in. When the gallery is temporarily edited out, the references re-appear. But put the gallery back in again, and the references vanish quicker than a tauren rogue. Even putting in raw «gallery» tags causes this problem, and there's no obvious editing error. Other pages I've observed don't have this issue. Deepred (talk) 08:42, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Seems to work just fine when in preview mode, but get out of that and it doesn't display... curious. User:Coobra/Sig4 18:54, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

In the next world of Warcraft after Cata will they rebuild the park as a park or as someting else.

And also why are there Stormwind refugees. I thought only the park was destroyed. In the next world of Warcraft after Cata will they rebuild the park as a park or as someting else. Rimor Conscientia (talk) 06:46, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well... given that the whole cliff side collapsed, that along would make it hard to rebuild that park... at least in that location. User:Coobra/Sig4 11:15, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
It's too bad too. I know alot of people liked that place. Gamerd (talk) 03:05, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Aye... I was one of them. User:Coobra/Sig4 03:05, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Lol. Darn Blizz. Another place goes down. Gamerd (talk) 03:07, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Deathwing doesn't discriminate. ;) Korval (talk) 03:28, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
They should at least stop the canals from draining out into the sea. Of course, if those floating rocks in Nagrand (And Outland itself) never run out of water, Stormwind should be safe.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 03:15, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
What would be fun is.. if during Love is in the Air, that occasionally one of the boats with a passenger is pulled the wrong way and goes off the cliffside =P User:Coobra/Sig4 03:45, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Is it wrong that I find that funny? --Sairez (talk) 04:05, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Nothing wrong with finding that funny... but then.. I'm evil. Grin.png User:Coobra/Sig4 04:21, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Don't worry, the canals are safe .... for now :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 13:43, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
Just thinking what Coobra put and seeing the people in the "lovey" mood only to have thier boat go off the cliff. Lol Gamerd (talk) 02:46, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


I was just flying in Stormwind City (beta) and while around the Old Barracks, just past the Stockades a subzone named The Catacombs appeared on my screen... which since I was going 310% quickly turned into The Old Barracks. I tried to find it again, but it would not reappear. The Catacombs doesn't seem to currently be a subzone of the city, so if anyone else can manage to find it that would be great. User:Coobra/Sig4 06:47, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Its a new subzone empompassing the halls underneth the cathedral of light. Benedictus retreats there after he is revealed. See [1].Warthok Talk Contribs 06:59, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
I figured it might be under the cathedral, so I went there before making a comment here... but it never became catacombs while I was down there. =( I'll have to try again then. User:Coobra/Sig4 19:26, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Portal between SW and Exodar

I remember reading somewhere that Blizzard was going to add a portal between the Exodar and Stormwind, and I assumed that was to increase the population in the Exodar. I saw just yesterday that they decided to put the portal in Darnassus. Exactly why did they do that? Catianda (talk) 20:47, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't recall them ever saying why exactly. It seems that it would have made more sense to include it in Stormwind, as the Goblins have their own little district in Orgrimmar, but maybe they moved the portal for the same reason they moved the Worgen district, as it was originally supposed to be in Stormwind as well. Raylan13 (talk) 20:56, January 24, 2011 (UTC)


Being a wiki with WoWs namesake, it's just a bit confusing to attempt to attribute the name "Azeroth" in every way it has been throughout the original Warcraft games as well. In WoW, Azeroth is strictly the name of the planet, so using it as another name for the Stormwind Kingdom and/or Elwyn Forest, or even the Eastern Kingdoms, just makes things ridiculously confusing (i.e. Name ALL the things Azeroth!)

I suggest (as with everything else) to use WoW's nomenclature as opposed to Warcraft's where WoW contradicts. —This unsigned comment is by Digital Utopia (talkcontribs) 12:42, March 14, 2012. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Trust me, this has been argued to death before, but we won't go over that. WoWWiki, despite its name is a wiki for all of Warcraft, just with a focus on WoW.
As much as I'd like to take your suggestion and decree, "make it so!" WoWWiki doesn't work that way. Your suggestion would amount to a policy change, so you'd have to go through the policy change process like most every other policy at WoWWiki. You can start with proposing a policy change.
After finding and reading the policy, I don't really see a need to request a change. Simply following the policy to clarify what source the information applies to should be more than enough to avoid confusion. The trouble is that making a statement such as "Stormwind City (a.k.a. New Stormwind or simply Stormwind) is located north of Elwynn Forest on Azeroth's northwest coast" Without specifying that Azeroth, in this case, refers to the RPG's definition, makes it confusing for anybody who has only played WoW.
I'm not so sure we want to make WoW the standard anyway. WoW has had a lot of stupid naming things in it like two different things called "Adventurer's Journal" (one a buff consumable and another a quest starting item) until they figured it out and renamed one to "Fallen Adventurer's Journal". --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 14 Mar 2012 12:36 PM Pacific
With all due respect, using item/spell names as a reason to ignore geography doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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