Faction, not race
The Scourge is a faction of the Undead, not a race.--FeldmanSkitzoid 21:03, 7 Mar 2005 (EST)
Agreed. It should be removed from the race listing. Saimdusan 01:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Theory
Hey, I know I'm always against people who introduce abusive comparisons between real life facts and WoW facts, but some idea has hit me a while ago. I don't know if it's welcomeInsert non-formatted text here here. Considering everything that we know about the Scourge and the Cult of the Damned, I think these two organizations are what Blizz know about Communism. I don't want to offend people here, but there are many, many similarities. It's late and I can't write it now, but tomorrow I'll explain it further. Any thoughts ?--K ) (talk) 18:12, 12 December 2006 (EST)
I'll avoid being dismissive and hope your theory isn't far-fetched. I can't wait to read it. ScarletPally1:47 23 Jan 2007
Erf, I wish I had time for such speculations when exams prevent me from even reading my mail ... Sorry, I'll write it soon !--K ) (talk) 13:26, 24 January 2007 (EST)
The Scourge is similar to communism? That's BS! Why not learn something about communism before you say something stupid? Saimdusan 01:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, why not get brains before talking to me? I've been raised in a particular observance of neutrality about all ideologies, I'm about to join the greatest political & law school in France and I'm particularly interested in totalitarisms, to an extent that I'm reading everything I can about them.
Jerk off. I still don't have time to write it here, too much work.--K ) (talk) 10:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- Communism? Hmmm... I can't honestly see the similarities in political ideology, but if you've ever got time I'd love to hear your theory. I have a friend who is a communist, so I'm pretty well backed up on the Marxism front. (PS. Saimdusan, less of that please - and try to listen to your own criticism) --User:Vorbis/Sig
- Err... does the Scourge even have a political ideology? Communism seems just a bit farfetched to me- totalitarianism in general, perhaps? To be honest, there isn't going to be anything more that circumstantial correlation anyway, given the fact that the Lich King maintains control through psionics and plague, not indoctrination and secret police.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:50, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
- I don't want to preach or give a lecture on communism/Marxist thought, being that I myself am one(and well versed in it's literature).
- Though assuming you're talking about capital "C" Communism, being that thanks to the failed states that allow for anti-communist states to discredit(so much for neutrality...) Marxist theory via their grip compulsory schooling and mass media such as the USSR and North Korea(we could debate the causes). Those states follow a totalitarian bureaucracy(which what socialist revolutionaries are trying to get rid of in the first place!!!) rather than the intended post-Capitalist democratic socialist society originally envisioned my Marxist theorists.
- Following up on Ragestorm totalitarianism is, if anything, what the Scourge as a "socio-political" entity could be classified as.
- Please refrain mixing little 'c' communism(the goal of Marxist theory, basically egalitarian anarchy) with big 'C'(the State bureaucracy/political parties), it's really disheartening having to point that out, peace!--ScarletPally 02:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Stupid excuses. Give us your theory, or we might aswell delete this section. It's just taking up unnecassary space at the moment. It was eight months since you wrote "tomorrow I'll explain it further". As if you havn't had the time to write it in eight months.. Pathetic. --Odolwa 20:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Stfu. If you had any authority to stop a talking on this kind of page it would be widely known. You're the pathetic one because you're dabbling in our business. Just leave me time, you don't know me and you have no reason to assume I'm lying.--K ) (talk) 11:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- EDIT:hmmm, I'm sorry, it looks like I get pissed at every person that loses his temper... But, wtf, stop being so rude! What does it matter to you if I preserve a placeholder here for something I've been unlucky enough to fail writing, for lack of time? Keep cool, you know I can get mad at you too for something that's not my business.--K ) (talk) 11:34, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, I assume I could have been a bit less rude, my apologizes for that. Let's have patience and wait for your theory.--Odolwa 11:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
well its been bout a year, so how bout th at theory, plz dont say ur gonna do sumthin tommarow and a year later u still havent done it....--User:Dunnsworth
It's been more than thirteen months now..--Odolwa 18:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Member Races
I noticed that the races included in the Scourge are quite diverse but interestingly do not include Orcs. I seem to remember Arthas and Kel'thuzad slaughtering the remnants of the Blackrock clan in Lordaeron back in WC3. Does it not make sense that they would raise their remains and encorporate them into the Scourge as well? --(Julzwinfield 10:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- It would make sense, but we've never seen Scourge agents who were clearly undead orcs. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 03:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- There was an undead half-orc and an orc ghoul in the scourge in Manual of Monsters, and I think there was discussion of some in the short stories in one of the other books as well. But they seem rare. In most cases you couldn't tell much difference if they are skeletal scourge, except an orc would probably appear bulkier... But on the other hand scourge skeletons and ghouls appear exaggerated anyways...Baggins 03:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
It talks about that the Forsaken have let undead orcs into the apothecary society, so that means there has to be some, somewhere, I think Mr.X8 02:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Havent you guys played the Night elf campaign in TFT (The 2nd level) where in an optional quest you put to rest some orcs (Don't they look skeletal to you?)--The last Alterac 10:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, canonically Liches are Warlocks of the Shadowmoon clan thus orcs --N'Nanz 12:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- You raise a rather effective point. But I reiterate that the ones at the Broken Isles were not Scourge aligned. Judging by the appearance of Liches, their skeletal structure has been altered- but they are still technically undead orcs. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
The first Liches that was created alongside the Lich King were Orcs, but not all Liches existing today are former Orcs. As you know, there are Human Liches aswell, such as Kel'Thuzad and Ras Frostwhisper.--Odolwa 20:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I have another interesting point: Ner'zhul was an orc!!! :D --N'Nanz 11:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I just said those were undead orcs. I never said any thing about the scourge--The last Alterac 09:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- The matter is that you are on the Scourge talking page... --N'Nanz 18:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Cant we just put undead Humanoids?Because there are probuly a lot more races undead.Such as Gnomes,Dwarves,Yetis.Blood elves?Orcs?User:Airiph/sig 01:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Not just humanoids can become Undead, and thus, members of the Scourge - just look at Frost Wyrms, Crypt Lords, and Crypt Fiends. Any race that was living can die, and can then also be brought back with Necromancy. EDIT: Oh, and Orcs are definately in the Scourge. Its led by one, as brought up by N'Nanz.Torturer(OldStyle) 15:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I think its also intresting to note there are no signs of demons (yet) being raised despite there were alot of 'em during the second invasion. Though it makes sense they have (or created) an immunity for being raised, incase their pets would turn against them. (Duke Ragereaver 14:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC))
dreadlods can be necromancers,so they are probuly part of themUser:Airiph/sig 18:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
This picture I found on this site (and a hell lot of places)
http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Scourge.jpg
I have seen this image in a lot of places (I think it is called the Infinite Army?). (Example Dark Ages Of Warcraft. I remember mentioning Azeroth wars strategy its another wc3 custom game like it. (The genre it is in is either called other or I love Ironflinch (I did a poll on a forum called wc3diplo.org to name the genre that had the second most votes))--The last Alterac 10:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
And what are you trying to say with this?--Odolwa 13:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I see that picture in alot of places--The last Alterac 21:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)