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What no Brox?!
Not a single note about his fight with Brox? I'm still making my way through The Demon Soul, but I saw this on his page and was surprised not seeing a note about it on this page! -Rovdyr 16:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- Well, it wasn't much of a personal fight, but it would be sensible to include some mention of that event. Kirkburn talk contr 20:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- I think this is a unique event, not many mortal has been accounted for wounding Sargeras(Demon Soul can't even affect him by the way).--Malygos (talk) 11:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
- The wound itself probably wouldn't bother him much - to him it was only a scratch. He would be more angry with Krasus, who caused him to lose his concentration. Jormungand01
(talk - contr) 18:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- The wound itself probably wouldn't bother him much - to him it was only a scratch. He would be more angry with Krasus, who caused him to lose his concentration. Jormungand01
Background Legends
I'm confused here- I only just saw the second version. What's the relation between the two? Is it a retcon? --Amro 11:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Later on the article says it was a retcon- I guess the first section should be clarified to show that. --Amro 12:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- Well, actually both versions appear as legends within the "in-universe" lore. The "retcon" is only a retcon from our point of view, I.E, the official 'what actually happened' telling. From an in-universe point of view they are just various interpretations by different authors/historians. Its not much different tha how in our own world you could read multiple variations of greek mythology, or five or more variations of the King Arthur legend.Baggins 19:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Powers
I'd like to object to the removal of my additions to the powers section. What I added was offical information from shadows & light. I didn't put citations there as, well, none of the other information in that section is cited.Tweak the Whacked 03:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Additions are fine as long citations are made. That is citations should always be made.Also I didn't get a chance to look at your additions, but unless you didn't, try to paraphrase the content so that game mechanics aren't portrayed. I.E. Give lore intent, but not specifics of RPG game play. Sandwichman can give you some examples of S&L paraphrases if you need it.Baggins 02:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Creating demons?
WHAT? Unless I'm very much behind the retcons, the conflicting stories are about eredar, not demons in general. Is there a citation for how he never encountered demons in the new lore? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Sargares ever be Confrunted again ?
I was wondering will Saragaras be a Raid boss or just interaction with him, if i remember The Tomb of Sargaras contained wats left of his power" The Eye" which Ilidan stole from the Tombs, but is he decesed or still alive ? DarckArchon
Re: Sargeras ever be Confrunted again ?
Sargeras isn't 'alive' or 'dead'. He simply 'is'. You can't kill a god.
And besides, to seriously take on Sargeras, Blizzard would have to increase the raid member cap to over 1000, and raise the level so that one player can solo Kil'Jaeden in the Sunwell.
So, it's extremely unlikely that Sargeras will be killable in-game.
Kirkyboy (talk) 18:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
He's not technically a god, because he's not worshipped by anyone. He should really be called a demigod, or even just a titan. And we've already seen that both can be killed. In the event of a raid encounter it seems likely that he will be somehow weakened prior to being attacked. Jormungand01 
(talk - contr) 18:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Reply to Kirkboy
Marluxious, The Rogue, Replies...
You don't neccessarily need to be worshipped to be considered a god. If you'll read the page on the Titans, it states that Titans aren't necessarily "gods" but forgers of worlds and part of a high order known as The Pantheon. Sargeras is almost like Arthas. He was slowly manipulated by evil until he completed embraced the idea of it.
Sargeras was the ultimate warrior and was corrupted by the very evils he fought. He plunged into madness and realised that the intentions of The Pantheon and the Titans themselves was corrupt and that holding order in the physical universe was a wrongful ideal.
Although he is "killed", it is true that he never necessarily dies. He is in "limbo" and waiting to find a being powerful to contain his spirit. No such being exists as of yet but soon he/she/it may soon come and he will take the first chance he has at taking control of said being. None of the articles in WoW Wiki actually explain how to even kill a titan.
So...The question is...Will it be possible?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marluxious (talk · contr).
Morgoth
Sargeras seems to be extremely similar to Morgoth from LotR. Both are supreme dark lords, with innumerable legions at their command. They are both one of the creators but fell into evil early on. And they have both been banished from the world but have left a servant to carry on their dark legacy. Furthermore in just about every battle the forces of good gave been pushed almost to the brink of defeat yet somehow prevail, although that may be just to make the story more exciting. Thoughts anyone? Jormungand01 (talk - contr) 18:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Posible End Game (End of WoW) Boss?
Yeah i know its a bit silly and he is a Titan/God but is there a way too defeat him like Kil'Jaden, still he was defeated in the Battle of Ancients, and gul'dan wanted too steel his eye, aswell as Ilidan but the possibility too be Reincarnated too repet history ? Well this came in mind from the poll with "Which boss do you want too defeat" and many voted for Sargeras. (Entaro Adun)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by DarckArchon (talk · contr).
In the War of the Ancients no-one, unless you count Broxigar, actually fought him. It was his Burning Legion that did all the harm. Gul'dan had no intention of stealing the eye while it was still on Sargeras. At that time his avatar had been dead for centuries, having been cast down by Aegwynn. And when fighting her Sargeras deliberately lost so he could corrupt Medivh. So that doesn't count as a defeat. And Illidan wanted to destroy the Lich King, not Sargeras. It was Sargeras' servant he took his orders from. Jormungand01 (talk - contr) 16:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I doubt he would ever be in the game. He is just too strong. Sure Blizzard could somehow find a way to put him in, and although it would be pretty cool, for certain people like myself would understand that even a 40 man group of the most geared lvl 80s wouldn't be able to take down a Pantheon Titan. He was also the Warrior and Champion (tank and can take a ton of damage) of the Pantheon. There are very few beings or groups of beings that could take on Sargeras, for example another Pantheon member or the Old Gods combined (maybe). Like I said, would be cool, but the last end game boss(es) I could imagine would be the current Lich King or Azshara. Hope this helped. jclipps (talk) 01:55, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Re: Possible End Game Boss
Marluxious, former patron of Stormreaver (Now Chromaggus), speaking here.
I highly doubt and agree with you. It IS possible that Blizzard may add Sargeras as the final boss ever in World of Warcraft. But you have to see that Blizzard wants to make money. The chances of them actually ending the series right then and there is not likely at all. Sure, at some point the story DOES have to end because WoW is becoming repeatative and it's somewhat the same crap over and over. Like I said before, there should be an ending at some point but defeating Sargeras in a group of 10 or more won't be an easy task.
It will require strict strategies and will require epic proportions. Also you'll probably need the leetest weapons in the game to beat him.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marluxious (talk · contr).
- If there will ever be an of WoW, it will be a confrontation against Sargeras. But players actually have no chance of winning that encounter, so Sargeras will literally step in and consume the world of Azeroth, thus marking the end of World of Warcraft.
- Otherwise, it'll simply be the most foolish thing that Blizz ever done in this game to add him as a defeatable raid boss to the game. I will see the world burn before seeing that. Neltharion (talk) 17:55, 26 December 2008 (UTC)