Talk:Race ideas

Everything on this page is a rumor. All rumors deserve a home here, regardless if you like them or not.

There are now archives of the many heated discussions about this page:

• Talk:Rumored Races/Archive
• Talk:Rumored Races/Archive2
• Talk:Rumored Races/Archive3

Dark Trolls

Thricej37 made some good points on the Dark Trolls page regarding them as a possible new Alliance Race. Perhaps they should be considered on the official Rumored Races page? (Just a suggestion, take it as you will.) --Strawberree 16:37, 9 Mar 2006 (EST)

Well, why not ? It's not odder than anything else ! The only thing is : Just do it. Find reasons & arguements, by yourself or from Thricej37's points, a pic and voila =)--Kirochi 12:13, 10 Mar 2006 (EST)

I don't see the relation to outland? --Dotted 06:11, 29 March 2006 (EST)

That's fine. The races don't have to make sense to be on this page anymore. --Kakwakas

A little harsh, but increasingly true. This article started as a page for the rumored new Alliance race in Burning Crusade, but soon became a catchall page for any possible future playable races. --Fandyllic 6:30 PM PST 29 Mar 2006

WoW Lunar New Year

Moved to Talk:Lunar_Festival. --Fandyllic

Voting, etc.

Moved to Voting, etc. in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive. --Fandyllic

High Elves

Making High Elves Unlikely from Possible

Moved to Making High Elves Unlikely from Possible in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive. --Fandyllic

More High Elves

This will NOT be the race as the lore posted by blizz states that the night elves would never realign with the naga (azshara and her highborne) nor the high elves (aside from the shendar in DM they are all now blood elves or dead) due to fundamental differences in approach to magic.

To bring the high elves would mean the loss of the night elves. --Noct 11:12, 7 March 2006

Not exactly. Look at the respect given to Kael by Maiev and Tyrande when they visited Lordaeron in TFT - and he was a Blood Elf, using far more chaotic magic than the High Elves. I'm sure the Night Elves, haughty and bigheaded though they may be, wouldn't mind allying with the lesser of two evils if it means that they can give help; especially if that lesser evil is only descended from the old enemy and not the enemy itself. Remember this quote? "To err is human; to forgive, divine." - Alexander Pope.

Anyway, the High Elves are already in the Alliance - the multiple Lodges as well as Stormwind and Theramore. Remember that the High Elves, lorewise, still have a larger population than the Darkspear Trolls and possibly even the (untainted) Gnomes. --Vorbis 14:21, 9 Apr 2006 (GMT)

Unlikely?

Moved to Unlikely? in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive2. --Fandyllic

Huh ?

Moved to Huh ? in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive. --Fandyllic

Blood elf mount

Moved to Blood elf mount in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive2. --Fandyllic

Gaming Steve

Gaming Steve just posted our Rumors page as his top story. Funny, that this page also mentions him as a dubious source. --Xmuskrat 09:37, 23 Dec 2005 (EST)

http://www.gamingsteve.com/archives/2005/12/world_of_warcra_4.php , This "rumor" is fake, and the author has long wise stated it was photoshopped. Just like the fake image of the character selection screen. It should not be listed as a Plus. CJ 09:47, 23 Dec 2005 (EST)

Second, the pandaren have been debunked a number of times at the blizzard forums as well. possibly due to the chinese goverment not apreciating the idea of people "bashing up pandas". the rumor could just have been raised to get some attention though.. and Pandaren likely were never planned, because they "are" just an april fool's joke. CJ 09:51, 23 Dec 2005 (EST)

CJ, these are RUMORS. None of the things listed are "real". I want to encourage people to add rumors to rumor pages and keep them out of real articles. This is the place for them. --Xmuskrat 10:00, 23 Dec 2005 (EST)

More Murloc Information!

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/misc/murloclore/murlocs.html

Also at Official Info section of Murloc.

Quilboar

I personally believe that quillboar fit the bill exactly for the new Alliance race. I won't go into it but everything is there - a common enemy, armor models, plotline from previous quests, Kalimdor starting zone, a fit for Chris Metzen's comments.

Also, I notice that your lists don't relly take armor into account. I believe the new races will need to fit cleanly into existing armor sets. You noted the four legged races, but I don't see ogres, pandas, etc fitting into the models we have without SERIOUS rework.

Another thing, yes the expansion will focus on Outland, but it is about the Burning Legion too. The god of the quillboar, Agamaggan, battled the Burning Legion in ancient times.

this is my first wiki post ever, so forgive me.

Notice that armor in WoW already scales from the tiny Gnome to the mighty Tauren. Weapons and armor both scale. If a race like Pandaren or Ogres were slightly bigger then Tauren, they'd just set a slightly larger scale. --Xmuskrat 12:48, 26 Dec 2005 (EST)

Yay, but please try to take your Alliance character in the middle of a Quillboar group and try to survive more than ten seconds ... (excepting the PvP-thirsty-Horders)--Kirochi 05:01, 29 Dec 2005 (EST)

Take your Alliance character in the middle ofx an ogre, Draenei (Lost Ones), furbolg (any but Timbermaw), human (Defias), night elves (Druids of the Fang), etc. camp and try to survive more than 10 seconds... The factions that are currently in are hostile, yes, but all of them in possible existance may not be. --Kakwakas 16:43, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

Blizzard will write the correct lore to allow any race that they deem 'fun'. One of their FAVORITE tricks is this 'tribe' mentality. They're is always room for a small group of a race who act however a story, or new faction relationship, might need. --Xmuskrat 10:17, 6 Jan 2006 (EST)

Defias are renegades, as the Druids of the Fang, so these examples don't match. But I agree that any Horde or Alliance race have it's renegades.--Kirochi 12:32, 6 Jan 2006 (EST)

The correct spelling is Quilboar (one L), so I'm changing it where it seems sensible. Also, although there is a quilboar who gives quests to players and aids them with rewards, this quilboar name Mangletooth only gives quests to Horde players, so that doesn't indicate any friendliness to the Alliance. --Fandyllic 2:12 PM PST 1 Mar 2006

Ogres

Ogres (original thread)

Moved to Ogres in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive3. --Fandyllic

More Ogres

1. Why the heck was the discussion removed ? It had points which had to be explained ! Don't be such a pussy and take off your text when you see we don't agree with you !
2. What is that ?--Kirochi 16:43, 4 Mar 2006 (EST)

1. check the archive.
2. there's a quest that turns you into an ogre. --Kakwakas 16:45, 4 Mar 2006 (EST)

1. I didn't wait for you to do that, I knew the author removed it himself, but deleting stuff is stupid. Don't you see that deleting information keeps us from the reality ? We have to know that, to debunk false points to prevent somebody else from having wrong ideas, and to enforce right points to make people consider them. This was a typical example of useful ideas posting, may they be wrong or right. We have to criticize them but NOT to delete them !
2. Thank you then. Which quest is it ? Is it a class quest ? How do you get turned into an Ogre ?--Kirochi 17:47, 4 Mar 2006 (EST)

What is Shamanistic

Moved to What is Shamanistic in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive2. --Fandyllic

Also see Shamanism.

This Rumors Page

We're getting linked a ton with this page. Yay! --Xmuskrat 10:21, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Yeah, someone posted on the official forums... --Kakwakas 14:51, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

I've seen us on at least a dozen gaming sites with links to this page. I keep seeing it. --Xmuskrat 15:05, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

I guess we're just that good. =p --Kakwakas 15:06, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

It's way cool. I'm looking forward to seeing how many people we can get working together as contributors! :) --Xmuskrat 15:08, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Does that mean we have to be serious ? =) I'm sorry that French people cannot read these pages, it would make me proud ^^--Kirochi 15:52, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Look at the bottom: "This page has been accessed 1236 times." rofl nice hit count! --  _ℑilver§^ℑide 17:30, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Hot. --Xmuskrat 18:40, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Pandaren

This talk really needed a part dedicated to the Pandaren. First of all, how do we know that the screenshot showing the Pandaren as the new Alliance race is a fake ? When did Katricia say that "Pandaren will not be a playable race ... at this time" ?--Kirochi 17:57, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

It's a tauren model with a panda face. =p Pandaren are a neutral race, much like the goblins. If pandaren became playable, EVERYONE would roll one, thus negating the blood elves being on Horde to encourage more people to roll Horde (this is not speculation; Blizz has openly said this). --Kakwakas 18:05, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

You can search for the Katricia quote in news.thottbot.com, it goes quite a while back. Here is ever Pandaren related Blizzard annoucement. However, I can not get a post for "pandaren became playable, EVERYONE would roll one". I've searched these archives to find my official Blizzard sactioned information. --Xmuskrat 18:37, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Can we agree however that with the evidence arrayed against it that the Pandaren are at least 'unlikely'? --Vorbis 17:39, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

I can agree that they are Unlikely. Based on logic alone, they will not and should not be playable. --Anticrash 12:57, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

Xmuskrat, Kat said that back even BEFORE beta. Look at the map posted on this same page (by you, I think) and look at what's there. Naga and goblins. Things change. --Kakwakas 16:36, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

Don't argue with that at all. The point is, Blizzard has a bunch of races they like. Blizzard wants to put in races people love, there are about 8 races that people can't/won't stop talking about. Over the next few expansion packs, THEY will be the ones they will add. You really don't have any evidence anything changed, still. That map was from old footage on the behind the scenes dvd, filmed in beta. Kat's comment was in 2004, and that was while it was in beta. --Xmuskrat 10:17, 6 Jan 2006 (EST)

Urk, yeah, usually when I think beta, I think ST1/OB, since that's when beta started for me. XD --Kakwakas

I can understand the argument about Pandarens someday being an expansion playable race, but based on the intro of the Rumored Races page, the races listed are those rumored to be in Burning Crusade and not those to appear in WoW at some point in the future. Maybe the arguments about Pandarens are because some people are looking at the Rumored Races page as listing those that may ever appear in WoW?

--Fandyllic 4:23 PM PST 17 Jan 2006

It's always said on the first page, "One of these races may be be selected for the Burning Crusade expansion pack, or possibly saved for future expansions." I know, cause I wrote it there a long time ago, back when I started this page. This page will last for more then this one expansion pack. It'd be nice that all of this really was just misunderstanding and words, just a scope issue of the page itself. --Xmuskrat 19:50, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

Okay, that probably explains alot. It really shouldn't say, "or possibly saved for future expansions," unless the likelihood entry clearly points out it is either: A) The likelihood that the race will appear in Burning Crusade (which I assumed) or B) The likelihood of the race ever appearing in WoW. There is a HUGE difference between the two. It's sort of like the difference between saying there will be a new Start Trek TV series next year v.s ever.

Now that I know there is this possible misinterpretation, I'm going to make it more clear what the likelihood settings apply to.

--Fandyllic 5:58 PM PST 17 Jan 2006

My goal when I put this page together was to make a list of races that had the likely sources Blizzard might pick from for possible races. Additioanlly, I wanted to take all of the rumors and arguements out there and list them with each race so people didn't have to dig through nasty flaming threads to read them. Some of the stuff I dug up and brought here were from some pretty rank discussions. I'm not against classifying an expansion pack that a race might fit "best" in, if we're willing to use the Rumored Expansions page to pick future ones that might come out. Still, I'm not 100% sure we can really ever come to terms and have everybody agree about possibility or not, at least not without a forumula. Again, it's just bound to make fights.--Xmuskrat 09:17, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

Redridge Settlement and Katricia Comments

Here is an explanation why I unbolded (from strong to normal) the Redridge settlement point and italicized (normal to weak) Katricia's comments about pandarens:

1. The link provided after the Redridge settlement point probably refers to the Pandaren#Region section which makes no mention of Redridge (in Eastern Kingdoms), but does mention a splinter group somewhere in Kalimdor. It starts with "Pandaren hail from distant island nation of Pandaria...", so Redridge doesn't really qualify as distant, I think. So this point could actually be called misleading and removed, but I chose to just unbold it.
2. It takes quite a convoluted and hopeful interpretation of "Pandarens will not be a playable characters .. at this time," to become a + point. Instead I just made it italic.
3. The second Katricia comment, "Do Pandarens exist in World of Warcraft? Maybe they will be found in the beta or retail version of the game and maybe they will be granted a special place in an expansion," only indicates a possibility that Pandaren might appear in WoW, no hint of a playable race. Remember, Pandarens can't even be found as NPCs for the most part in WoW, so a comment about them appearing sometime is a very weak positive for the more involved possibility of them as a playable race.

--Fandyllic 4:21 PM PST 17 Jan 2006

Pandaren Likelihood

Moved to Pandaren Likelihood in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive. --Fandyllic

More Pandaren Likelihood

Continue here, if you want...

Moved from User talk:Fandyllic...

Fandyllic, I know you're an admin, but the Pandaren had been locked to Possible. And we voted. Please respect our vote. There were only three votes against the Pandaren likelihood at the time it was locked. Don't act as somebody who doesn't listen to the people.--Kirochi 16:24, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

I'd really like to be gracious and say okay, but considering the winning margin was 4 yes to 3 no and the lock was going to be at only 4 votes (seems very low to me), that is a very weak argument to lock Pandaren at possible. This isn't the Supreme Court, so I don't have to repsect a 1 vote margin, so I'm not going to.

Also, how can you vote on the truth of a rumor? The best way to set a rumor is by evidence you find, not voting. That's just silly. Also, if you're going to vote, you should at least get alot of people to support it and have only a few against. The pandaren vote was very weak.

If you really want people (including me) to respect a vote, start a new vote and see if you get alot more Pandaren = Possible yes votes than no votes. I bet you won't, but you can try. If you meet the requirements of the WoWWiki:Policy/Voting, then I will respect your vote and try to make sure other people do also.

--Fandyllic 9:21 AM PST 17 Jan 2006

Perhaps we should find more then 9 people who care. I've never seen a vote here break into the double digits. I startd the vote, not Kirochi. I didn't start the vote to try to pad it, or to go out and get people in, or register new fake people to make the vote win. I did it to see what the community wanted. I didn't believe that running a vote would show me how much negative energy would be created. I guess I can't expect you to be gracious over difficult, so I'll just hope for policy. If we still can't follow that, I'll just contribute my energy elsewhere. --Xmuskrat 13:24, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

How about implementing a Progressive Voting System, in which we designate a certain number of votes necessary to lock a vote, i.e., 4 minimum, then once that number is hit, the item in question can be changed. For example, 4 people vote for Pandaren to be locked at Possible.. 4 people vote accordingly and Pandaren is labelled Possible. Then, what makes it progressive, if another four people vote for Unlikely, the Pandaren liklihood will then change to Unlikely, seeing as to how the Progressive Vote has shifted. Then, if another 4 people vote for Possible, the liklihood will AGAIN change back to Possible. Thus the Progress Voting system remains in perpetual motion, as it should on a constantly changing site such as this. --Anticrash 15:04, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

I'm now sure of what I want. It's not up to us to decide the likelihood of any race. As Xmuskrat said, the best way to me is putting the whole races in an alphabetical order and forget about the likelihood and the war of the members. Just keep the positive, negative and neutral points. I'll start a vote about that.--Kirochi 15:33, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

Well, then visitors would have to read the points and make up their own mind? *gasp* What would we have to fight about? --Xmuskrat 15:36, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

Hehe, sounds frightening, doesn't it ? (-: --Kirochi 15:45, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

The page isn't locked. You can make whatever changes you want. Even if we remove likelihood, I'm sure people will argue about the order the races appear. Nobody has given good reasons to make Pandaren likelihood Possible yet, as far a I can tell, just arguing about how voting should be done and what constitutes a legitimate vote. I argued that Possible is wrong because there isn't enough good evidence.

Anticrash, put your progressive voting idea on the WoWWiki:Policy/Voting page if you are serious about it. It sounds way too convoluted for me, but it is still a valid idea. I just don't want this Pandaren thing to have a special voting system that isn't clearly explained. Also the progressive system still has the flaw that the winning side can perpetually win by 1 vote which makes it a weak majority. I'm totally against 1 vote majorities.

--Fandyllic 12:53 PM PST 17 Jan 2006

The Voting thing isn't a big deal to me. I was just offering up a solution to the argument at hand. Although I'm sure a defined voting system would be handy in the future... when the time comes we can all get together and create a specific system so we can avoid conflicts like this. --Anticrash 10:54, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

something missed: i've been on the forums over at wow since october. between christmas and new years blue finally replied in a spec thread in suggestions saying that pandaren were not the race because "the new race proves that the BL has been destructive to more universes than just the one that Azeroth is in." this would suggest it's something ENTIRELY NEW. barring completely new, only draenei have ties to outland in the lore posted on worldofwarcraft.com, and would be the only logical possibility at that point --noct 3/7/2006

Worgen

Urk... Who went and listed worgen as 'possible'? I knocked 'em back down to 'unlikely.' There's next to NO evidence that worgen could be an Alliance race. I'm sorry, but no matter how much you want to be a werewolf, the chances of it happening are slim to nil. --Kakwakas 18:06, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

I put them up there, only becasue I read a ton of people on the forums who thought it should be higher. I really don't believe they have a chance in hell. Still, I wanted to help out people too stupid to be able to push the edit button. --Xmuskrat 18:12, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Think of their being too stupid to press the edit button as a natural failsafe for things TOO terrible to get out of hand. =p From what I've read (and I know a fair amount of WC lore, if I do say so myself), Draenei, ogres, and furbolgs are the most possible races. I consider Quillboar somewhat possible, though. But alas, no one will listen to me. Maybe if I publish a magazine named "Gaming Kakwakas" people will actually believe me... --Kakwakas 18:20, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

I'm just trying to average out what people in general think--to be objective. There is a sheer ton on Pandaren related lore in the WoW RPG, and Chris Metzen basically approved all the lore himself. I'd love to play a Pandaren. Still, it didn't stop me from moving it to possible until there was an offical denoucement from Blizzard. --Xmuskrat 18:34, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Yes, and that's why I didn't complain about pandaren being marked possible. I highly doubt that pandaren will be playable, but there is some evidence. What's really annoying me the most is people having either no source for their points, or using pure rumor and stating it like it's a fact. Have you read that "Races Essay" that's linked at the bottom of the page? It's enough to make a loremonger cry. --Kakwakas 18:40, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Yeah. Part of this talk page is for us to talk about the lines there, and where we can't prove lore from a source edit them up. I mean, it's a rumors page. So it should be allowance for some amount of speculation, barring direct lies or stuff totally 100% made up and unobservable in game. I'm also up for redesigning the race as a template with each bulletpoint having a 'source' link. --Xmuskrat 18:44, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Important ! Just switched Worgen from "Unlikely" to "Very Unlikely" because of the amount of negative reasons and the only positive one which was unfair towards the others.--Kirochi 12:26, 8 Jan 2006 (EST)

Seems like a good reason to me. --Xmuskrat 14:13, 8 Jan 2006 (EST)

Uh, guys, what about the whole "Scythe of Elune" quest series? In it you find a group of Worgen defending an elven ruin in Ashenvale, and a holographic epitaph leads you on a quest to find a Scythe of Elune. Through this quest you find that the Scythe was a sacred artifact given by Elune to one of her priests, allowing dimensional portals to be torn and Worgen summoned from a paralell world. The quest line leads to Darkshire and explains that after being summoned by the Scythe, the Worgen began to summon more Worgen. They seem to be sacred creatures to Elune, similar to the Wildkin. The Scythe of Elune was also mentioned in a quest in Redridge Mountain, where it turned out that the Warlock Morganth didn't have it after all. It would be nice to have their Night Elf connections labeled as a +.

On the horde side they seem evil due primarily to their connections to Arugal and their hunting of the Forsaken in the region, but the Moonrage Worgen seem only partially connected to the Worgen summoned by the Scythe. Whether or not they're going to be an expansion race now, they seem too popular and full of potential to be ignored. --ReleeSquirrel 9:50, 18 Jan, 2006 (EST)

if you actually look at the Worgen lore, you'll find that they are simply from another world. the scythe of elune had the power to summon them, and arugal also found out how to do so. im not sure just HOW Arugal and the Scythe were capable of controlling the Worgen. But either way, what, exactly, are the odds of these chaotic and murderous creatures being sacred to Elune, of all people?--Adonzo 02:59, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

Race Relations

Originally, i had the arguement that dreanei and naga couldn't possibly be new alliance races because they were both allied with the bloodelves in frozen throne, so naga and dreanei would never fight bloodelves.. (also, how the heck could naga wear leggings??)

But then i noticed something strange: you can fight both lady vaj and prince keal'thas in instances in outland.. so its like.. wtf mate.. a blood elf fighting the blood elves' leader?? ..this screws up everything! (and dont tell me that the bloodelves that are with the horde are a different faction or something, because prince keal'thas came up with that name, so all blood elves are under his control)

so in the end, anything is possible, but i like the idea of panderen since it would balance out the number of races on each continent (pandaren are from an island near kalimdor)

anyone have anything to say? im freaking out!--Icemalice 2:40, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)

Well, the blood elves that are on Azeroth never went to Draenor, so they have no idea what Kael'thas and the rest of the blood elves did, and are doing over there. I wish I could find the source, but I believe it was either a blue poster or someone at the lore panel at BlizzCon that said Kael will do something that will make the Horde blood elves not want to follow him or something. I don't remember it too clearly. :/ --Kakwakas 20:51, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

I don't think we'll have to fight Kael'thas ... Just think he is involved in some raids, but not as a boss.--Kirochi 17:27, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

Where is this?

Moved to Where is this? in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive2. --Fandyllic

Draenei

Moved to Draenei in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive2. --Fandyllic

More Draenei

Hey, am I stupid or did Thricej37 point an EXCELLENT fact ? Most of the currently playable races had no female model till WoW. I think that the argument "no female model previously seen" should be entirely deleted ! (and of course, it's a pity but what Thricej37 posted has to be deleted, your idea was excellent but it's not a + in any way). I'll do it if nobody disapproves of (meaning tomorrow if this gets no answer)--Kirochi 19:39, 11 Mar 2006 (EST)

Is that really true? It seems like that several races had no generic female models, but had individual character models of specific races (named females). However, my memory of WC3 and before is kinda hazy. --Fandyllic 9:48 AM PST 12 Mar 2006

Are you talking about female heroes ? I've put them in the RR page, pay a look. If not, please explain yourself (curse my English)--Kirochi 13:25, 12 Mar 2006 (EST)

Draenei Likelihood

Voting closed in favor of POSSIBLE. At least three votes will lock the Draenei likelihood at Possible, disallowing any further changes to Unlikely.

Possible

1. --Anticrash
2. --Xmuskrat 12:45, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)
3. --Kakwakas 17:40, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)
4. --Kirochi 15:54, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)
5. --CJ 07:58, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)
6. --OwlBoy 08:23, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

The Draenei Likelihood will be LOCKED at Possible until further evidence can prove otherwise. This is not to be changed from Possible until such evidence arises. --Anticrash 16:02, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

Yessir! --Xmuskrat 16:58, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

I still think this closing of voting is sort of silly, but this is a much better example of something many people agree upon. However, if any of you likes this idea of locking votes and results after a mere 3 votes, feel free to propose it in WoWWiki:Policy/Voting. I'll vote against it, but it's still a valid proposal.

--Fandyllic 4:40 PM PST 10 Jan 2006

I copied this template Anticrash posted and ran my Pandren vote the same way. It's the only way voting has been done on this site so far, there is NO voting proposal. So I personally won't vote anymore, as we don't have a voting policy. It's meaningless. --Xmuskrat 20:10, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

There is a proposed WoWWiki:Policy/Voting, but it wasn't there when you posted your comment. If you decide to start voting again, please take a look.

--Fandyllic 10:59 AM PST 18 Jan 2006

Furbolg

Furbolg Q and A

Moved to Furbolg Q and A in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive. --Fandyllic

More about Furbolgs

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Goblins

Switched the Goblins with the Nerubian, due to more positive reasons and to the fact that neutral is much better than hatred to Scourge.--Kirochi 15:56, 8 Jan 2006 (EST)

Good move. --Xmuskrat 14:11, 8 Jan 2006 (EST)

Thanks a lot ^^. I'm not very gifted in the finding of arguments, so I try to do my best in fixing the articles. I also think that turning this list in a template would be incredibly more useful than changing manually everytime three or four lines just to update a few reasons ^^--Kirochi 15:56, 8 Jan 2006 (EST)

"- How would Neutral cities remain neutral ?" — There are some humans there in Booty Bay that are neutral, and there are several in the Venture Co. that are hostile, along with the Defias Brotherhood. This should be italic or at best unbolded, IMO. Anyone disagree? Schmidt 22:55, 14 Jan 2006 (EST)

In WarCraft 2 the Goblins were allies of the Orcs. And they were suicide bombers, so that means they were VERY attached to their cause. The Goblins are like the Swiss, they can meet any side if they have sufficient reasons, but they also can have faith and believe in a cause.

Some Goblins also allied the Defias Brotherhood so they were especially hostile to the Alliance. Mind that.--Kirochi 15:28, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

Debunks

As quoted by blizzard.

• High elves: Not going to happen. 3 elf races is to much. Also the high elf population is very low (Most of them converted to Blood elfs).

I read something like this on the message board, but it wasn't a total debunk. However, Caydiem did allude to the fact there were not enough high elves left. --Xmuskrat 16:21, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

• Tigons : To my knowledge, these supposed "Tigon" models are nothing more than the empowered forms of the Priests Thekal and Arlokk in Zul'Gurub. There is also an item that can grant the tiger form to players randomly. These models are in no way secret information that we're attempting to cover up -- why would we, when they're already patched in and being used by encounters that players see daily?

These models are already in the game, in use, and are not being used for a race at all. There is no record of "Tigons" in past lore -- come now, with a world of possibilities in what has already been written, particularly surrounding the subject of the expansion, do you really think we'd introduce a race of jungle cat-people that has absolutely no relation to Outland whatsoever? ;)

The "Tigon" is just a Troll Loa, and the name "Tigon" is just for the model. --DarkAngel ZERO 11:28, 27 March 2006 (EST)

• Pandaren : (Caydiem stated it wont be pandaren, due to political reasons)

Never happened. Prove it, Panda hater. Even though I don't believe Pandaren will be selected for the expansion fact, so much misinformation and lies about them make me want to fight to keep them on the list. I would love it if they got selected, if only for making people feel bad for making things up. --Xmuskrat 16:21, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

Metzen gave no hints, and implied that they're still working out all the details. But he did acknowledge that once everyone hears about the new race, part of it will make sense, and part of it will make everyone go "huh?" ...We can't even speculate. (But it won't be Pandas.) -- from the Burning_Crusade page CJ 04:43, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)

You're reading that as a quote, and the parentheticals even more emphasise this was not said out loud. The "we" in speculate was Gamespy. Personally, I believe it was a dumb game magazine joke. "We can't even speculate. (But it won't be Pandas.) " --Xmuskrat 07:46, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)

• Murloc : "Fan made" image started this rumor. --Xmuskrat 16:21, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

LOL Schmidt 11:49, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

"Draenei's are in because Rob Pardo loves them." Here, I made up a rumor. And it makes 0% difference to what the race is. --Xmuskrat 16:21, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

Good, now get some links for actual sources. =p --Kakwakas 11:53, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

I know that Ogres will be the next race, it's utterly sure, it's because Blizzard's boss' wife looks like and Ogre ^^--Kirochi 07:30, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)

• Naga : Not going to happen for many reasons. While it was planned once to have them included in the game (as mentioned by the WoW CE DVD), they scrapped the idea because of too many complications. Additionally, the Night Elves despise them more than they do the High Elves and Blood Elves, and would never let them become part of the Alliance. --DarkAngel ZERO 11:03, 27 March 2006 (EST)

Also, before I forget, Learn2Lore...Naga are Night Elves (Higherborn if you want to get technical) that were mutated by the Old Gods. That's an automatic "No" as an Alliance race. --DarkAngel ZERO 11:06, 27 March 2006 (EST)

The Naga were not Night Elves mutated by the Old Gods.

From Chapter 1 of the official history:

As the aftershocks from the Well's implosion rattled the bones of the world, the seas rushed in to fill the gaping wound left in the earth. Nearly eighty percent of Kalimdor's landmass had been blasted apart, leaving only a handful of separate continents surrounding the new, raging sea. At the center of the new sea, where the Well of Eternity once stood, was a tumultuous storm of tidal fury and chaotic energies. This terrible scar, known as the Maelstrom, would never cease its furious spinning. It would remain a constant reminder of the terrible catastrophe... and the utopian era that had been lost forever.

Somehow, against all odds, Queen Azshara and her Highborne elite managed to survive the ordeal. Tortured and twisted by the powers they had released, Azshara and her followers were dragged down beneath the raging sea by the Well's implosion. Cursed - transformed - they took on new shapes and became the hateful serpentine naga. Azshara herself expanded with hate and rage, becoming a massive monstrosity, reflecting the wickedness and malice that had always hidden within her core.

--Fandyllic 12:44 PM PST 27 Mar 2006

That page also says that Blackhand became chieftain on Draenor, there have only ever been 4 Old Gods, and other things... --Kakwakas 17:59, 27 March 2006 (EST)

Blizzard's story website is in need of severe altering. Metzen's timeline keeps changing with each RPG release, so it is hard to know which one is the real one. Also, Read War of the Ancients Trilogy. It mentions multiple times that the Old Gods are using the Well as a method to re-enter the World of Azeroth. Additionally, a mysterious voice begins to speak to Azshara during the Sundering. This voice appears in the last book of the WotA trilogy: "There is a way... there is a way... you will become more than you ever were... more than you ever were... we can help... we can help... You will be more than you have ever been... and when the time comes, for what we grant you... you will serve us well..." --DarkAngel ZERO 01:53, 28 March 2006 (EST)

Replacing Bolds and Italics

How about instead of using italics for weak arguments and bold for strong arguments, we use italics for Speculation and bold for Official information? --Anticrash 14:48, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

Vote Closed. Three votes Against is good enough for me. I forgot about the whole planned color scheme thing. That really is a much better idea. I don't know why I decided to start a vote on this. (As a matter of fact, I think I was the first one to mention the bolds/italics being hard on the eyes.) I think I'm vote happy. --Anticrash 10:13, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)

heh. I think you were! Wanna re-run this vote with colors instead? --Xmuskrat 10:25, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)

New Vote. At least Three votes in Favor will confirm the use of colors and normal text instead of bolds and italics to measure Rumor plausibility. After voting (if In Favor), comment on your choice of color schemes for the new system.

...Eh? I thought we were gonna vote for different colors if it's official/confirmed or no.

--Kakwakas 11:56, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)

Voting Closed. Votes In Favor of a color coded template to be impleted for measuring rumor plausibility.

In Favor

1. --Anticrash 10:56, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)
2. --Kirochi 11:59, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)
3. --Xmuskrat 12:30, 11 Jan 2006 (EST) I'm for the template. :) ( wasn't closed by me :P )
4. --Schmidt 21:31, 13 Jan 2006 (EST) though it's closed already

Closed.

Nerubians

Moved to Nerubians in Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive2. --Fandyllic

More Nerubians

Continue here, if you want...

I Stebbinator think that if the Nerubians would be the next Alliance race it's just stupid 4 legs(just like dryads and centaurs) it would be to complicated and aren't the Nerubians part of the Scourge).Well it's just weird. --Stebbinator

Format

Image Placement

Apparantly, with the images the way they currently are, the page looks horrd in Safari. Someone went and changed them so that they looked horrid in IE. I've changed them back to how they were before, but we should probably figure something out that works for everybody. --Kakwakas 08:46, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

Fixed. Draenei needs a smaller image though --CJ 08:49, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

Maybe the one Wikipedia uses?. --Kakwakas 08:50, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

Anything goes :) try it.--CJ 08:52, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

Hm. Turns out if you make a thumbnail of a smaller image, the thumbnail makes it bigger. =p --Kakwakas 09:00, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

the only issue i see now is the edit buttons in the top sections seem to be moved over into the text. (safari) CJ 09:08, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

I changed the placement. I thought putting a list of images with vacuum at it's left would be ugly, and I still think ; but now it's fixed and the idea I got earlier (but I didn't remember to use it) to put the pictures matching with the races was successfully used, well done ^^--Kirochi 11:21, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

Colors

That default color for tables is horrendous, so I changed it to black. It still doesn't look right, but it's so much better, IMO. Anyways, I didn't want to work on it any more than I did before anyone commented on it. Schmidt 00:38, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

I like the new black back ground, because it distinguishes the table from the rest of the page. Dark Tichondrias 5:38 16 Jan 2006

I think it just makes the page more readable. Way to go. --Xmuskrat 10:42, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

Good idea ! (-; --Kirochi 17:49, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

I made the background for gnolls and cenarion pictures black, too. Change them back if you want, so they can be similar to the others. I couldn't think of a way to fix all the other pictures. Schmidt 01:22, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

Caydiem Quote

I've heard that Caydiem has stated in the forums that the new Alliance race is a race we are already famillar with, and that the model is already in game. Can anybody help me source this quote? I have been unable to find it in Thottbot news, but if it was deleted before it was spidered, that's possible. --Xmuskrat 11:42, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

i have not seen this. i have seen blue posting contradictory to this. that rumor was explicitly debunked betwe 12/25 and 1/1 --Noct

Justify it ! And link it !--Kirochi 16:34, 7 Mar 2006 (EST)

Likelihood vs. Alphabetical order

Vote in favor of Alphabetizing archived at Likelihood vs. Alphabetical order in Talk:Rumored Races/Archive3. --Fandyllic

Try the Rumored Races Test

Hey if you try to apply the Rumored Races Test on these races, the result would show High Elves as the most likely. -Tery

Cool. Proofs now (meaning you shall run the test with the High Elves to be trusted).--Kirochi 11:51, 16 March 2006 (EST)

Other Stuff

Three small comments

Draenei: While Draenei seem like a likey choice (even thought I am praying they arn't), a common thing that was a - for other races was overlooked, and that is that Draenei are Shamanistic as well.--Wolveswithkeys

not quite. or at least not confirmed.--CJ

Draenei have never actually been called shamanistic by Blizzard. Some of their members use abilities like those used by Shaman, but it has never been indicated that the race follows a shamanistic lifestyle like the Orcs or Tauren do - and according to a player on the EU boards who supposedly is good friends (over the internet anyway) with Metzen, and who has provided plenty of nice little tidbits of inside info in the past to back this up, the reality is that Draenei simply are not a shamanistic race.

Gnolls: Not that I am suggesting they are the new race, but Gnolls do have signs of civilization, though it is primative at best. They work in a tribal sort of system, and obviously having an idea of a leader (Every gnoll chain there is ends in killing a leader). Also, they obviously have some signs of itellect, and a basic understanding of the Common Language--Wolveswithkeys

no better than furbolgs. --CJ

Goblins: The main problem people see with goblins is that they are neutral. While it is true that the Steamweedle Cartel is neutral, there are goblins that are not. There are some goblin NPCs that are aligned with Alliance or Horde, though you can probobly count the ones for each side on one hand. Just remember; not all goblins are part of steamweedle.--Wolveswithkeys

and some are Venture co.--CJ

Nothing new or interesting here. These points have already been explained/debunked. Thanks CJ for commenting it, though you've been a bit fast.--Kirochi 15:29, 21 March 2006 (EST)

Mok'Nathal (Rexxars Race)

Has anyone considered these to be a possible race? They do fit alot of the requirements.

+ They are from Outland

+ Rexxar Specifically has a distaste for the horde.

+ That "cool" race everyoneone is looking for.

+ Easy to make armor for.

+ Good counter for the Tauren.

+ Can ride a mount I don't know what kind but you know be creative.

- Possibly more horde oriented

--TheMan2.0 12:55, 2 April 2006

Mok'Nathal are not really possible:

• Rexxar is the Champion of the Horde- it's not the Horde he has a distaste for, it's cities and developed culture "only beasts are above deceit."
• Can be disqualified for the same reason as the High Elves: population. The Mok'Nathol were almost certainly exterminated by Gul'dan, Doomhammer, other Orc leader, or any number of Orc-hating factions. Their number would be a couple of hundred at the most, not nearly enough to theoretically support a player population. Ragestorm 18:08, 2 April 2006 (EDT)

In the campaign Rexxar says he is the last of his kind. --Rumda 15:10, 2 April 2006

Drakonid

This was copyed from the mmmorpg.com's forums

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This post is probably going to be deleted, but as long as someone sees it and copies it down, we can continue spreading the real information!

Either way, yesterday evening Blizzard when uploading the fake Wisp race page, accidentally activated the real new race page, while I've lost the pictures and the website was taken down, but I still had the flavour text and racial abilities within my cache:

Q u o t e: While experienced adventurers know Drakonids best as some of their toughest adversaries when facing the Black Dragonflight, few know that not all of the Drakonids are loyal to Nefarian. These Drakonids have fled from the Spire, and our now looking to start a new society on Kalimdor.

The Night Elves, recognizing the plight of the Drakonids, quickly helped them establish a city of their own on Kalimdor. The newly made city of Drakespoir serves as a new beacon of hope for the Drakonids, and perhaps even the Dragon Flights themselves, for even the Black Drakonids realize that their original aspect was that of the Earth, and have devoted themselves to caring for the earth once more, like the Black Dragonflight did of old.

While the Alliance was originally distrusting of these new Allies, they quickly realized the potential and sheer strength the Drakonids had, and the value they could have for the Alliance as a whole, especially with the exploration of the hostile world of Outland.

Racial Abilities:

1. Chromatic Resistance - Each colour of Drakonid has varying resistances, giving a +10 to resistances depending on their colour. Red Drakonids are resistant to Fire, Green Drakonids resistant to Nature, Bronze Drakonids resistant to Arcane, Blue Drakonids resistant to Frost and Black Drakonids resistant to Shadow.
2. Massive Strength - Drakonids are strong enough to be able to wield a two-handed weapon in one hand. Choosing to do so however will incur a 25% penalty to the damage dealt and stats provided by the weapon.
3. Brood Power - An active ability based on the colour the Drakonid has. Red Drakonids get a fire-based Damage over Time ability, Green Drakonids gain the ability to sleep an opponent for two seconds, Bronze Drakonids can slow a target's movement, attack and casting speed by 50% for 4 seconds, Blue Drakonids can burn a part of their opponents mana and Black Drakonids get a single target Shadow damage ability. The damage dealing abilities of the Red, Blue and Black Drakonids improves as levels are gained.
4. Endurance - Drakonids gain a 5% bonus to their total health.

Character Creation Screen: While Drakonids have all the options other races do, we are proud to announce they are the first race in which your Skin Colour affects your racial traits!'

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All the posts on the WoW forums regarding it get deleted. =\ In any case, I can't say much to the validity because I haven't done any quests regarding BWL (where teh Drakonids appear). However: + They are a "cool" race. + They can fit current armor and weapons. + They can ride a mount (tail might get in the way though). + Already in the game and in the lore. - Relation to outlands?

Mercenaries

Any mercenary unit in WarCraft 3 that is suggested as an Alliance race should be removed from the list. Just because someone paid them enough gold to fight with them doesn't mean that they're going to up and join the Alliance. Unless there's good positive evidence supporting otherwise, don't use it as reason. --DarkAngel ZERO 11:04, 12 April 2006 (EDT)

Demons?

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Altho i find kinda weird if it would be demons.

But after reading the missing leaves part, i believe more and more in the Furbolgs :)

Demons?

Demons?

Altho i find kinda weird if it would be demons.

But after reading the missing leaves part, i believe more and more in the Furbolgs :)