Is he in the WMV files? Is anything WotLK even in the WMV files?  IconSmall HighElf Male Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 21:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The WMV files take from the game you have, so unless you have the beta, no. EDIT: Oddly, the Shattered Sun Offensive banner counts as WotLK.--SWM2448 21:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Different versions

I think there are 3 versions of him in the game. Level 55 Undead, Level 60 Elite Undead, and Level 80 Elite Humanoid. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 03:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Is he really the first Death Knight to join the horde?

Are we sure that he is THE first? Isn't the player character, who gives the treaty to Thrall, the first Death Knight to join the Horde? Same deal with Thassarian.--Truckman1 21:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, from a lore-wise perspective, it was probably Thassarian and Koltira that gave the treaties to Varian and Thrall. I mean, to be honest, looking at it from a lore standpoint, we're really only that spellbreaker in WC3 that got the shit beaten out of him by hordes of ghouls and other nasty things, or the rifleman that kept getting poked (clicked) until he said "If you want my'll have to PRY IT FROM MY COLD, DEAD, HANDS!"

Really, when it comes to lore, you don't exist. It's not YOU that kills Highlord Mograine in old Naxx and takes the Ashbringer to SM, rather it's Darion, it's not YOU that saves Marshal Windsor, rather it's Varian. The canon characters are the only ones who really actually do these things.

So, in conclusion, Koltira probably IS the first Horde Death Knight. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 22:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


If he was slain as a high elf technically he should still be a high elf right? So he joined what he sees as his people in the horde, but he is not a blood elf so it should be changed.--Gurluas (talk) 21:36, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

While you have a point, Thassarian refer to him as a blood elf in Brothers In Death, despite this making no sense whatsoever. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:52, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
The way I figure it, Koltira is an "undead elf" like Sylvanas. His people (survivors of the attack on Quel'thelas) became the Sin'dorei, so thats probably why Thassarian called him a blood elf. After he gained his freedom, he decided to go back to his people, and formally declared himself to be sin'dorei. I figure that this is the same with other blood elf death knights, since most of them seem to have come directly from the attacks on Quel'thelas. The horde (and blood elves probably) would be more accepting than the alliance and its small population of high elves. I'm not even sure if high elves would accept a high elven death knight.
Long story short, he's a blood elf because he chose to be one. He made that decision in the comic and in-game. ...As for Sylvanas, she has declared herself and the other freed undead the Forsaken. She probably doesn't feel the need to declare herself blood elf, or high elf- she's Forsaken. Thats who her people are now.--Blayaden (talk) 00:15, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
But that still makes him genetically a high elf, especially after the blood elves switched fel magic out with the light.--Gurluas (talk) 15:07, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Thats a fair point... but before the biological changes came about, abandoning Quel'dorei ethics and declaring yourself to be Sin'dorei was how you became a blood elf. I guess, you could say he's a "Declared" Blood elf (undead/humanoid), former High Elf.
There are several Undead elves in the Ebon blade (Lady Alistra, Duchess Mynx, Baron Sliver, etc... Dread Commander Thalanor seems to be an exception, since he doesn't use an undead skin OR have glowing DK eyes), most of them seem neutral, so its impossible to tell if they are quel'dorei or sin'dorei... its also possible that they don't CARE anymore, and just consider themselves undead. I guess the same argument (or lack of one) could be made to the Dark Rangers that have been appearing in-game recently.--Blayaden (talk) 16:11, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
The problem here, Blayaden, is that Thassarian calls him a blood elf while they're still part of the Scourge. Since Koltira was killed and raised before the blood elf faction existed, he couldn't possibly have been a blood elf during the campaign against the Scarlet Enclave. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:18, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps Thassarian assumed that since the surviving high elves became blood elves, that calling him a "high elf" would be like calling a human a neanderthal. Even during BC most people didn't know there were high elves left. Either way, its pretty much moot. Koltira is considered a blood elf by Blizzard, and there hasn't been any hint in-game that he's not one.--Blayaden (talk) 01:44, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
I still think that line makes no sense in that context, but I will grant you that yes, in the end, Koltira is a blood elf, presumably because he chose to be one. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:36, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
Thassarian also stated that "in life (they) were hated enemies." But high elves were friends of the humans. I'm just going to chalk it up to Blizzard forgetting about the timeline. Or bronze dragonflight hijinks. Sxizzor (talk) 20:04, March 16, 2010 (UTC)sxizzor
More likely, it wasn't until the book when they decided Koltira got Scourgeified pre-blood elf days. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:08, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
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