Slumbering may mean dead. An alliance with the Lich King could be to bring him back. Just a thought.--SWM2448 19:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

It can also mean that he is slumbering, but not without awareness, like the green dragons, who are also slumbering but controlling their bodies from their Emerald Dream. Also a thought. ---- IconLarge Troll Male [1] , the Necroshadowmancer 21:04, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Is he... Awake?

It sas he's sleeping in the article, yet in the picture, is he standing with his eyes open?  IconSmall HighElf Male Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 20:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

See Queen Angerboda. He wakes up after you kill her.--SWM2448 20:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Neither Ymirjar nor Vargul?

It is stated throughout Icecrown and Storm Peaks that all Vrykul, presumably upon reaching adulthood, undergo challenges (either the Hyldsmeet or battling at Valhalas) that determine whether they will become Ymirjar or Vargul. Clearly Ymiron does not have the blue skin or frost accumulation of an Ymirjar warrior, and is undead. Does this mean he failed his challenge?  IconSmall Dwarf Male Thio: Talk and Contributions 11:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

No, as whether or not these trials previously existed in a different form, neither vargul nor ymirjar existed before the coming of the Lich King. Ymiron is over 15 millenia old, thus predating this practice by eons. His undeath is a "gift" of sorts. ---- Battlegroup RoundIconVorbis AvailablequesticonTalk ActivequesticonContribs 13:48, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


Edit: Ran on normal tonight, and only got two boats triggered - seems to be a time function, not damage, at least on normal. Anyone else confirm this, with times? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Angeicmar (talkcontr).

It's definitely health. I've seen him hit one boat and then the next not five seconds later because he was being burned so fast. He always does two boats on normal, four on heroic. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 09:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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