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Debate on power levels moved to Talk:Kil'jaeden/Lore

Kazzak

On the buttom of the page under the Misc section, it says "There is a location in the Hellfire Peninsula in Outland known as the Throne of Kil'Jaeden. It is here that Lord Kazzak - a lieutenant of the Burning Legion - can be found. The novel Rise of the Horde reveals that this is where the orcs drank the blood of Mannoroth. Gul'dan named it Kil'jaeden's throne."

However Lord Kazzak is currently located in Blasted Lands. Does this mean that as speculated, once the portal is reopened he returns to Outland? If so, is he no longer an outdoor raid boss located in Blasted Lands? Is he a higher level raid boss in Outland? Or was that line miss-typed all together? ~Bao 14:28, 24 December 2006 (MST)

Kazzak will move to the Throne of Kil'jaeden after the Burning Crusade is released. Once there, I believe that his outdoor encounter will continue as before.-_Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 17:10, 24 December 2006 (EST)
In TBC he is currently raidable - and severely painful! Doom Lord Kazzak, he is, iirc. An upgraded Kazzak. Not sure if he'll literally be moving home completely, his current form may still exist. -- Kirkburn (talk) 17:17, 24 December 2006 (EST)

Random musing on pronunciation

Kil-jay-din, or Kil-jih-din?--Sky

I would say Kill-jaa-eden or Kill-jæy-den. User:Kirkburn/Sig 03:44, 23 January 2007 (EST)
I say kill-JAY-den. I think that's what the first of Sky's and the second of Kirkburn's suggestions reflect as well. An apostrophe in the middle of a name signifies a "word-intonation-restart" following it. I believe Illidan does pronounce it that way in the Frozen Throne.---- Varghedin Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:00, 23 January 2007 (EST)
Illidan does indeed say "kill-JAY-den."--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:37, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Better Picture

Can we please get a better picture from Frozen Throne. I know he rarely shows up but I would like someone to get the picture where he first meets up with Illidan. This is because its shows his whole body, its shows tracks of fire where he's been walking and it has a nice glowing effect that his second appearance in the game lacks.---Noman953 11:28, 23 January 2007

Kil'Jaeden?

On the EU forums, Kil'jaeden is spelled with a capital J. What's true now? Iggey 05:28, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

That's just the name of a realm, hardly a convincing argument - the realm namers have been known to misspell realms before. User:Kirkburn/Sig2 08:27, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Cleanup

Specific examples and suggestions, por favor. Can't fix it if we don't know what's wrong. I find it difficult to believe that this article was tagged before Illidan's monstrosity. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 03:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'm not too sure yet how all this page tagging works. Are there requirements that have to be met before a page is marked? Why not mark Illidan's page the same way if it is such a monstrosity (I did have a brief look the page and I think I have to agree).
Some examples I can give are:
  • redundant information - eg. constant reference to Kil'jaeden's intelligence.
  • subjective telling of events - eg. While Archimonde led the Legion's armies, their sheer size and vast potential for destruction can only be attributed to Kil'jaeden having done his job well., or Gul'dan's indomitable lust for power and his selfish disregard of anything but himself made him the perfect pawn for the demon., or But Kil'jaeden was no fool.
  • assumptions about character motivations - eg. Kil'jaeden, infuriated, knew that the time had come to take matters into his own hands., or Although Kil'jaeden was infuriated at the failure and death of Archimonde, he knew better than to take reckless vengeance. - may or may not be true, but doesn't belong in a factual retelling of events.
This would be a much shorter and pleasant to read article if they were re rerwitten properly. I'm hoping someone can do a better job than I can, so I marked the page. Raze 04:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmm... well, Kil'jaeden's true menace is his cunning, but it could perhaps do without as many references. As for the others, I can see where you're coming from, but I'm not entirely certain I agree. Perhaps try a couple of edits you think are worth it and some of us can critique? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Good idea. I'll have a go after doing a bit of research. Raze 06:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Raid boss

In a recent interview it has been confirmed that Kil'jaeden will be a raid boss in Sunwell plateau. Zarnks 08:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[citation needed]  N'Nanz 09:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Kil'jaeden as a raid boss is not confirmed as of right now, though a video interview about the Sunwell instances is apparently on the way. --Raze 09:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

So we are gonna fight Kil'jaeden before the Lich King? I don't belive it. --Odolwa 22:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Its from the magazine article,the one in which Metzen compares Illidan to Boba Fett. Here it is[1]. Anyway who says were going to kill Kil'jaeden my understanding is that we are just going to make him retreat from the Sunwell. He's had it coming for sure. I don't think Kil'jaeden has ever been a good guy and he is more a personification of evil. Every playable race has good reasons to hate the guy. Zarnks 01:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I can't see where it's told he'll be in the Sunwell Plateau... N'Nanz 08:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Why does he want to come to Azeroth?

The question is why Kil'jaeden would want to be summoned to Azeroth. My theory is the following: You all know how much Kil'jaeden hates traitors, just see the measures he went through in order to punish Velen. It could be something simular with Ner'zhul. Now that Illidan failed to destroy him, maybe Kil'jaeden took matters into his own hands in order to punish Ner'zhul for his betrayal.
If this is true, why not welcome Kil'jaeden's aid? If the only thing Kil'jaeden is seeking is revenge, we would all benefit from cooperating with him. --Odolwa 00:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh sure, here is a real world metaphor/analogy: You have an enemy. You stand next to him. THEN YOU NUKE HIM. Kil wants him gone and so do we, sure, but you know what else he wants gone? Everything. It is not smart at all. 'Oh thanks for killing the Lich King, are you leaving now?' His responce: DOOM!--SWM2448 00:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Though its not honorable it could be useful to wait till he fights the lich king. Then have a hidden army of heroes to finish off the survivor of the fight. Zarnks 05:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Definetly not his style.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

What makes you say that, Ragestorm? --Odolwa 21:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, he's likely gonna know if the mortals are lying in wait for him. Morover, he rarely, if ever, acts directly- he plots and schemes unto the end. Now, helping the raid kill Arthas, that's one thing. SwM is right, though: Lich King gone, mext target: Azeroth.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
This seems the last desperate attempt of the legion to conquer Azeroth. I mean: if the superbad guy has to come to this world by his own person to finish us all (or at least to try) are people of Azeroth more powerful that the Legion? N'Nanz 09:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Well he's being "summoned", doesn't guarantee it's his own idea 100% though he might be willing to go along with the plan for his own reasons. who knows. User:CrazyJack/Sig 13:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Based on information from Netherstorm quests, I'd say he's been in contact with the legion, namely Kil'jaeden (though he wasn't mentioned), for a while now. I think he'd be in on it. --Raze 01:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Uhm, hasn't Kil'jaeden been on Azeroth already? Remember his conversation with Illidan in the night elf forest, probably Fellwood? Why would he need to be summoned if he can travel free between the worlds? Or maybe this was only a vision to Illidan? P.S. Can someone tell me where is the info about Kil'jaeden considering Velen as his arch-nemesis, being like a brother to him before?Dakovski 17:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Kil'jaeden's appearance was just a projection. The info is found in Rise of the Horde. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Kil'jaeden wants magic, basically. The Burning Legion all hunger for it. The second reason is because Azeroth was carved, ordered and founded by the Titans, and the ultimate aim of Sargeras and the Burning Legion is to undo all of the Titans' work. The reasoni why members of the Burning Legion need to be summoned into Azeroth is because of the natural wards and barriers placed on the planet by the Titans. Even Sargeras himself was never able to fully manifest himself onto the planet at full power. The barriers need to be weakened by inhabitants already on the planet in order for any creatures from the Twisting Nether to get through. --- Zexx 21:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
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