Talk:Kael'thas Sunstrider

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Picture: Kael'thas in Draenor

So...why the kael'thas image i posted was removed ??i mean,that IS Kael'thas,its pretty easy to see that.there's no way one could mistake him for a Spellbreaker.Eduardomsc 10:34,16 January 2007(gmt-4)

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Umm, that is totally NOT Kael'thas, that's just some random Spellbreaker (and Kael isn't a Spellbreaker). --Adonzo 23:34, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

I've removed that picture. --Aeleas 23:55, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

Guys i have a picture of the New kael'thas artwork, but i'm not sure if i should post it or not. Actually i have 2, one with the main 3 bosses from the expansion: Vashj, Kael'thas and Illidan and another one of just Kael'thas. Do you guys think i should update the picture with the new one ? --Pulyx 09:23, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

If the image was obtained through the beta or through an officially published book, then post it, by all means, but don't put it in the infobox just yet. If it was obtained from anything other than the beta or a published work, do not. --Ragestorm 10:39, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

Actually, that one where shows illidan,kael and vashj was published (don't know if blizzard considers it officially published) in that myspace page where the Artist who made the illidan statue showed the process of the making of that statue (here http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/caresaboutcreature/wow/illidan.jpg). The first image on the page there was a new piece of Illidan Artwork. But i didn't show the whole image, just Illidan, cutting out Kael'thas and Vashj. But know that i think of it, if we were to post it in the article, it wouldn't be in the Kael'thas article but in Illidan's. --Pulyx 12:14, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

A MySpace page is not considered published in any way, shape, or form. Published means "appears in a book," officially liscensed, with the proceeds divided between the author, publisher and Blizzard. While that image is certainly liscened, I don't think it's wose to post it until we have confirmation that it's bee officially released in a book or some such. Do not post.--Ragestorm 11:20, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

Well, it was featured in WoW.com. I thought maybe blizzard authorized. Looking at the image i can see they "erased" kael'thas, but left one of his fel-orbs slip. --Pulyx 12:24, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

[www.worldofwarcraft.com] is authorized. The image may be posted (on Illidan), provided the link to its place on the WoW site is shown first. --Ragestorm 11:29, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

dungeon location

anyone know which wing of tmepest keep kael is in? all it says is taht hes in tempest keep, but it doesnt say which. my guess is the lvl 70-72 one, but some confirmation would be nice. --Late Leo 20:09, 21 January 2007 (EST)

Kael is in the Eye. Maxisfreak315 02:59, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Thoughts on Cleanup

Some of the comments made on Talk:Arthas Menethil would apply to this page regarding it's length; in my opinion it could be much more concise in recounting the events of Warcraft III. The excess links also need to be removed; only the first occurrence of a name should be linked.--Aeleas 23:55, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

Beloved King of the blood elves

We all know that there has been some serious leakage from the Burning Crusade Alpha. One such leakage is the "cinematic narration" of the two new races (you can find it at the bottom of this thread). According to this narration, Kael'Thas is now the blood elves's "beloved King". We can wait for an "official" confirmation, but I thought it was worthwile to post it here right away. --DarthMuffin 15:41, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

Well, we know most of the blood elves revere Kael in different ways, so most of them would think of him as a "beloved king." He is technically, not the king legally, as he is not in Silvermoon and was not approved by the usual advisors (who are probably dead). It's more than possible he is regarded as the king. --Ragestorm 15:59, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

We should not see this as if "most" blood elves think of him as the king; it's the official narration that says so. We should obviously wait to see the game, but if the introduction officially calls him King, I think it's safe to assume that he is.--DarthMuffin 08:42, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

I doubt it makes much of a difference if Kael is the prince or the king of the Blood Elves. My point was that he is not king by the conventions set by the government of Quel'thalas, etc. (which wouldn't matter anyway, as they're now blood elves). I could list modern-day earth situations, but you are correct- we should just wait, perhaps a note saying he is de facto king, and not say anything definete until offical confirmation. --Ragestorm 09:10, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

We should go by however he is referred to on the website and in-game. I feel it's just a figure of speech. -- Kirkburn 09:51, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Motion carried then. --Ragestorm 11:03, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

The narration I've heard says "their beloved prince", not king.--Aeleas 13:08, 13 October 2006 (EDT)

Well, I heard King.--K ) (talk) 14:42, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

Just to "tie the knot", the latest narration (in the Beta) says "Prince". I guess they changed it back perhaps for the reasons mentionned by Ragestorm, though I personally doubt that they looked in details like the advisors of Silvermoon (I would say they concluded it would be confusing for some people). Anyway, an earlier version definitely said "King", but it's back to "Prince" now.--DarthMuffin 22:42, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

Erm, are you sure that it's changed? It must've been changed shortly after the original narration was recorded, because the narrator died a short while back. Anyway, Kael'thas also refers to himself as 'king' in a note you intercept for a quest. --Kakwakas 02:36, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

Well, I'm not in the Beta myself, but in all the videos that came out when the Beta started, the narration says "Prince". And it's kind of normal for Kael to think of himself as a king, given his ego. Do you have more info on that note though? There's some talk around the blood elf article about why the playable BEs will eventually seek to kill Kael; that note might contain interesting info.--DarthMuffin 23:23, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

And by the way, someone added "Prince of the Blood Elves and King of Quel'Thalas" under the picture. Again, I must ask if this is official...? I doubt Ragestorm would approve =0 --DarthMuffin 13:33, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

That was me, after I had heard "king". And Ragestorm all the more approved this (or, at least, he didn't change this when he edited the infobox).--K ) (talk) 16:08, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

Ragestorm will remove it. Honestly, I didn't notice it. I'll leave "king of Quel'thalas (uncrowned)". --Ragestorm 16:21, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

The Blizzard website on the history of the blood elves does mention that Kael'thas is "the true heir to the throne."[1] However, even when he returned from Dalaran in Warcraft III: Frozen Throne, he was still referred to as "Prince" Kael'thas. King Kael'thas does sound odd. "Prince of the Blood Elves, King of Quel'thalas" sounds about right, because he'll most likely never be referred to as anything but Prince Kael'thas. You can come up with some lore reasons for this, too, but none are really supported. One hypothesis would be that he refused the crown because he wanted to recognize the unjustness of the murder of so many, that they should not be dead and therefore he would leave their authority vacant in honor of them. User:Montag/sig 23:37, 31 October 2006 (EST)

Kael'thas refers to himself as king in note you pick up for a quest in Bloodmyst Isle as a draenei. Screenshot --Kakwakas 23:53, 22 November 2006 (EST)

"The blue skinned mongrels" ? "Velen will pay for his crimes" ? This guy's gone utterly mad now.--K ) (talk) 03:38, 23 November 2006 (EST)

And that finally answers why Horde blood elves can kill him in Tempest Keep. Even though they're sapping a naaru and using those creepy green crystal things, they don't want to serve a king who's gone completely mad. --Ragestorm 09:59, 23 November 2006 (EST)

So, yeah, are we switching over to King Kael'thas? --Kakwakas 23:07, 25 November 2006 (EST)

Not until the release, if at all.--Ragestorm 09:46, 26 November 2006 (EST)

Ok, now I'm coming up with a question. How the heck do we know he's not crowned ? He'd been able to travel from Tempest Keep to Quel'thalas recently, no ? So why would he not have been crowned ? And what's the big deal ? If the BE see him as a King, then we have to accept it. I think that the lore Blizzard releases doesn't tell us everything, but it hints it very well.--K ) (talk) 13:03, 13 December 2006 (EST)

Indeed it would seem like he has been crowned king of Quel'thalas and all the world's Blood Elves. According to the lore-master Xarantaur (he who has contacts with Metzen himself) that is the case at least. We can await the release of BC before we edit, but as fast as we get it confirmed I vote we do it right away.--Odolwa 19:14, 13 December 2006 (EST)

Kael'thas has never been crowned King of Quel'thalas, which formality requires the sanction of the Conclave of Silvermoon, and that body has not been convened since Arthas laid waste to Silvermoon. He is represented in Q'T by his Regent Lord. In Outland, he has apparantly taken the style "Sun King", but seems not to have any intention of returning to Quel'Thalas at all. As far as the Blood Elves in Q'T are concerned, he is still their Prince, not their king. -- Jubaal

Lets wait until we have something to cite in or out of game instead of going off of a Prophet of Metzen. User:Montag/sig 10:06, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Kael'thas Sunstrider :: The great interogation dot - ???

-Firelord- Things are getting strange... I need your help toanswer this question... How can Kael would be able to be a racial leader, beloved by the Blood Elf if some of them will fight him and kill him in the new instance, the Tempest Keep? I really need your opinnion on that. Cause in my head I see a group of Blood Elf comming at Kael and saying "Look! Our beloved king!!" and then I see them killing him. It look strange...---Firelord- 12:02, 25 November 2006 (EST)

Sign your posts, please. This isn't final, but this is my theory:

What the Thalassian Blood Elves know of Kael is propaganda pepetuated by Magister whatever-his-name-is. Once they see how he's consorted with Illidan and how far he's gone, they're likely to be almost as disgusted with him as the High Elves are with them.

Don't have a breakdown over it; you'll find out soon enough how it works. --Ragestorm 23:03, 22 November 2006 (EST)

It's simply that he isn't a racial leader anymore. It's just a title he still wears, thinking none can contest his legitimacy.--K ) (talk) 13:30, 25 November 2006 (EST)

If it helps, just think of him as being in control of the 'Dark Blood Elves,' in a treasonous role just like Rend Blackhand and the Dark Horde. Qii 10:11, 14 December 2006 (EST)

It's a real mystery to me. In Warcraft III, Kael'thas wasn't evil in any way. He was the contrary, fighting back the evil forces of the Scourge and liberating Outland from the Burning Legion. I won't accept Kael'thas and his Blood Elves being "evil" until I get a sensible explaination. Has something strange happened between Warcraft III and WoW?--Odolwa 18:40, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Aye, in between the two games he's been gorging on mana and demonic energy, and that doesn't usually do good things to a person. I guess you could see him now, at least from what I've figured out from various quests, as a junkie that is pretty much only concerned about his fix. He no longer seems to care about his people (aside from using them to make sure he gets his fix). He's willing to risk Outland and all its inhabitants to get more mana (the Netherstorm could blow at any time, and his mana forges aren't helping things) and he's also willing to work with the legion to operate (and to build, I think it was said in one quest) said mana forges.

So, basically, Kael'thas was good at the start. He was trying to save his people. But his allying with Illidan started a snowball effect that has left him pretty warped. -- Maenos 12:48, 14 December 2006 (EST)

I don't agree about Kael'thas not caring for his own people. Why else would he send the captured naaru to Quel'thalas? If he had actually become selfish, he would had kept it for himself .--Odolwa 20:13, 14 December 2006 (EST)

I agree that Kael is evil by circumstance. To quote Wicked! the Musical, some people have wickedness thrust upon them (I know, corny as heck, bit it works). As for being selfish, that isn't true, it's just that he's come to think of Illidan's methods as being the best for his people, and thus doesn't accept other opinions. --Ragestorm 14:17, 14 December 2006 (EST)

I thought he would care for his own people too, but as one BE NPC told me a few days ago, he's pretty much resorting to trying to draw the Horde-BE to him to bolster his forces, especially after the loss he took with the Scryers defecting. He doesn't seem to care much for his people anymore. As for the Naaru, he sent them M'uru a while ago (he had just come into control of Tempest Keep, hadn't built the mana forges, hadn't sided with the Legion, etc). -- Maenos 16:10, 14 December (EST)

Wait a minute, where does it say that Kael'thas is siding with Kil'jaeden's Burning Legion? Illidan and his allies are a faction of their own, that aren't part of the Legion.--Odolwa 23:01, 14 December 2006 (EST)

WHERE? I'll purge immediately.--Ragestorm 17:04, 14 December 2006 (EST)

It's revealed in a questline in TBC. Um...if you want, I'll remove it from this talk-page (as far as I know, it hasn't been put up anywhere here on the wiki. I haven't edited it in, anyway). I figured it was ok to mention it as countless other TBC things have been talked about. I'll also gladly put up a spoiler warning on my comment above, if you wish. --Maenos 20:17, 14 December 2006 (EST)

No, I meant where in the article is it said Kael serves the Legion? he serves Illidan, who counts as a separate faction. --Ragestorm 23:20, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Oh, oh, ok. It's nowhere in the article as of yet. Just some recent information I came across in the Netherstorm a few days ago. -- Maenos 23:22, 14 December 2006 (EST)

<greedy face> Feel free to send any lore-related information my way- don't worry about spoilers, my parents say I went rotten years ago. ;-P--Ragestorm 23:24, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Spoilers moved to User_Talk:Ragestorm.

Good gods, man use a spoiler template! you'll give our censors heart attacks!;-P--Ragestorm 00:05, 15 December 2006 (EST)'

Er...whoops. Sorry, not thinking straight tonight. Will from now on! Oh, and should I edit in spoiler warnings for my earlier posts as well or move them to your talk page? --Maenos 00:06, 15 December 2006 (EST)

The previous posts here aren't a problem, they're fine- any major spoilers (like those) should be posted on my talk page.--Ragestorm 10:37, 15 December 2006 (EST)

New Artwork added

hey guys, i'm adding Kael'thas' Artwork from TBC, since various images released on the same pack are all through wow wiki and no one saw a problem, i'm adding this one as well. Hope you guys will dig it. cause it's AWESOME. --Pulyx 18:53, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Notice the similarities between him and the post Blood elf on the BC site. I would prefer the artist used the same model as the one released for TFT, but artists are tempramental. Excellent pic! Just don't put it in the infobox.--Ragestorm 16:58, 14 December 2006 (EST)

The Artist who is doing is Wang Wei (who's name is BLIZZARD in chinese apparently) he's damn good. he has a Deviant Art Page, here: http://blizzardart.deviantart.com/ --Pulyx 20:19, 14 December 2006 (EST)

The guy has no affiliation with Blizzard Entertainment. Should you really use fanart for a wiki? I mean, it seems like you should stick to official art, not fan interpretations. Suzaku 06:26, 3 January 2007 (EST)

It's not fanart, it appears in official sources. If we're not certain that it's official, but it's damn good, we'll post it, but not use it in the infobox. In this case, the image in the infobox is the best avaliable anyway, so nothing changes it. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:04, 3 January 2007 (EST)

What's the official source it came from? The guy said he doesn't work for Blizzard, and it's just his pen name, so I'm curious. Is it from the image with Illidan and Vashj mentioned earlier? Doesn't look the same. The weird thing is that the shoulder armor doesn't actually match Kael's in either his WC3 or WoW appearances. Suzaku 19:06, 7 January 2007 (EST)

Lore vs. Tactics

What about making two pages, a la Kel'Thuzad, one for lore and one for tactics? --Tinkerer 16:24, 23 December 2006 (EST)

I agree, though personally I think, main article should link to the lore, and Kael'thas Sunstrider (tactics) for example, should be fore gameplay. Since in the long run there is more lore than there is tactics.Baggins 16:28, 23 December 2006 (EST)

Guys, one talk page will do for this discussion.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 16:46, 23 December 2006 (EST)

New Artwork NOT Kael'thas

At least, it isn't anymore, if it ever was.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/insider/11/collectors.xml

It's Varanis Bitterstar, a new Hero character and Blood Elf Mage in the card game.Suzaku 00:35, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Ok cool. I didn't knew. For me, the only one who had the fel orbs floating around was kael'thas. But it is official art. --Pulyx 08:46, 20 January 2007 (EST) But it is official art.

Alliance with the Burning Legion

Template:Spoiler I was browsing some quests at wowhead and came accross this one. Basically, it appears that Kael'thas has decided that Illidan had gone nuts and that an alliance with the Legion would be more profitable. Of course, this is comming second hand. But as more and more people are slowly making their way to level 70, someone should be able to confirm the quest, and therefore this important piece of lore. The later quests in the chain are about gaining evidence of this, and it seems to set the stage for Horde/blood elf raids on Kael himself. --DarthMuffin 19:23, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Your dedication is appreciated. This was brought to our attention some months ago, and we are indeed waiting for intel from users who have completed the relevant quests. Once you can quote the source adequately, feel free to add. This would indeed explain why the Horde's blood elves cna kill Kael'thas.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:27, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Well, the last setting we know from WCIII was that Kael'thas serves Illidan who is a servant of kiljaeden who is/was the Master of the Lich-king who commands the source.I presume that the Silvermoon Bloodelfs wouldn't cheer if they figure out that he indirectly helps the enemy. --Urgat

We now know that Illidan is not in Kil'jaeden's good graces, and that Kael is directly making overtures to the Legion. Hence, why the Horde's blood elves have no problem raiding Kael. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:53, 29 January 2007 (EST)

First I wanna thank people for allowing me to post POV stuff on the talk pages, which isn't how it always is with a wiki site. I just am amazed and disappointed that Kael could be so stupid. I guess the character has been pretty much destroyed; he went from being an enemy of the Scourge and good guy and hapless victim of circumstance (not to mention a character I thought was pretty cool), to this. I cannot understand how he could change so much. What happened to make him this way, to drive him insane? People don't just wake up one day and suddenly lose their minds and their ethics. Just...wow. I cannot believe he's sworn fealty to the Legion even given all he knows about them. He's seen how Illidan's a marked nelf after failing Kil'jaeden, he knows exactly what happened to Ner'zhul, and he still chooses to make himself vulnerable to them by being their servant. That...is...NUTS. And Urgat, he isn't "indirectly" helping the Legion, he's practically grabbing his ankles for them.--Illidan Rocks 16:14, 5 February 2007 (EST)

And I'd like to tell you how sick I am of people just throwing their comments whereever they want: new comments always go at the bottom of the standing discussion.

On-topic, I guess Kael just snapped (or was Decieved). And even if he weren't helping the Legion directly, Kil'jaeden always collects.-_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:28, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Regarding Illidan Rocks' comment on Kael'thas, I think he is a victim of circumstance. If you recall, Kael'thas swore fealty to Illidan. Illidan however aligned himself with Kil'jaeden but later failed his master. This made Illidan and all who followed him targets of Kil'jaeden's wrath. So, in order to save himself and those loyal to him, Kael'thas had little choice but to distance himself from Illidan and to 're-ally' himself with Kil'jaeden to prove his worth and hence get on the demon's good graces. If he didn't, he would still be a target of Kil'jaeden, having worked with Illidan at the time of the night elf's failure. mr. peasant 22.54, 5 February 2007 (GMT)

I agree that the move seems politically motivated, but there's more at work here. There's a very strong slant in the blood elf noob quests toward the idea of "Wretched-ness" -- becoming consumed by your magic addiction -- and I have a feeling the theme is being repeated in Kael's plotline. If he is indeed insane, the insanity is most likely due to his magical addiction. On the other hand, he might be making a smart survival move. I think it's most likely a mix of the two, Kil'jaedon probably taking advantage of that addiction... some Deceiving going on... and that we'll see the true Kael when we face him in Tempest Keep. User:Montag/sig 20:27, 5 February 2007 (EST)

"And I'd like to tell you how sick I am of people just throwing their comments whereever they want: new comments always go at the bottom of the standing discussion."

Wow. Sorry Ragestorm, you could've just asked nicely.

Since I first found this site, I've always seen people put their replies to comments right under the comment that they're replying to, and that made sense to me, so I did it. It makes less sense if, for example, I say something about Ner'zhul on the "Lich King" talk page, then the next three people commenting talk about Arthas, and the next person to make a comment replies to what I originally said about Ner'zhul by placing their reply below the most recent comment about Arthas. It makes more sense for their reply to go directly below what I said about Ner'zhul, below and a bit to the right.

But if it's that big of a deal, I'll stop doing it that way.--Illidan Rocks 22:42, 7 February 2007 (EST)

I've never agreed with that habit (ruins the flow of the page), especially since there's an annoying trend that my comments are the ones that get pushed down. I was also running on pure adrenaline at that point, so I was very close to snapping. Sorry. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:06, 7 February 2007 (EST)

From what I have heard, and come to have collected, is that even this alliance with the Burning Legion is a ruse. Like Illidan before him, Kael is simply using the Legion as a means to harnass the powers of Tempest Keep, and seems to be fully aware of what's happening to Netherstorm. If he succeds, he seems to plan to wipe out all opposition on Outland in one final cataclysm, with only those on Tempest Keep the only ones to survive. Once done, Kael plans to turn on the remaining Demons inside the Keep, drain them to sate the Blood Elves addiction, then use his gathered power to shift Tempest Keep to Quel'thals, thus coming back with more power then ever before. With it he will likely rally his forces and wipe out all the other factions on Azeroth. There's also talks of him trying to off Kil'Jaden to become the head of the Burning Legion himself, at least that's the theory anyway. In any case it's something to think about, Kael's allegiance is only truly to himself... -OtherHalfofYang

Two things to say here. First, apology accepted, Ragestorm. Anybody who knows me in-game or in real life knows that I'm not the most patient person myself, so I am in no position to judge you for it. Secondly, even if Kael is planning to double-cross the Legion I still don't think it's a good idea, because if he fails he'll wind up like Ner'zhul or worse. Kael used to be a decent guy whose allegiance was to his people, not just himself. He would never think of genocide on the scale theorized by OtherHalfofYang. So it appears to me that regardless of Kael's intentions, he has sunk lower than I ever would have expected him to.--Illidan Rocks 03:41, 25 February 2007 (EST)

I agree, and do find this odd, as Illidan would not be pleased. "Power at high cost" is his motto, not the "Power at ANY cost" that seems to guide Kael's hand now. Either the student has surpassed the master, or Vashj (who first ingrained the philosophy in him) has had some wider effects.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:10, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Well, one could argue in a sense, that this is still for his people, sort of... No think about it, he comes back the almighty hero with his big new shiny toy, more powerful then ever before, and BOOM!!! He'll have the technology, all the magic in the world (plus a vial of eternity water), and power to wipe out all of the enemies of the Blood Elves. If he wasn't simply using the pilgrims that are coming to worship him as nothing more then cannon-fooder to secure his holdings until he's done, you could say it's simply a more extreme way of saving his people if that's the case. Sure, he's taking that whole ends justify the means thing a bit to an extreme, but I'm really just trying to play devil's advocate here, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens in the Eye-OtherHalfofYang

Illidan promised to sate the Blood Elves' hunger for magic. While he didn't exactly sate it, he gave them a source of magic to draw from. And that is the power of demons. Who is closely affiliated with the demons? The Burning Legion. I really think that Kael'thas would've done this for power more than anything else. Sure enough, the survival of himself and his race would've been strong in his mind but he would not have refused the nearly unlimited power Kil'Jaedan might have offered him. I'm sure that learning of Illidan's insanity wouldn't have made Kael'thas very confident in his leader. Illidanrocks, you keep saying that Kael'thas' character is ruined now. I can understand why some people would feel this way, but I think he's better than ever. When I learned that he'd allied himself with the Burning Legion I was upset that we might see him die in Tempest Keep. Right now, I'd rather see Kael'thas escape death than Illidan. I know I seem to really be rooting for Illidan's death, after some previous posts I've made, but I've never really seen him the same after he went "mad". For Kael'thas, however, this could be just the beginning.--Maarz 08 March 2007

Hmmmm, you know I just noted this, but the Scryers aren't the only ones to have discovered Kael's unholy alliance with the Legion. I remember that there is also an Aldor Questline leading up to the same thing, even causing one of their members to leave because he was disgusted the Sha'tar would still let the Scryers join them after this, or something like that...-OtherHalfofYang

Insanity

Do we really need that section? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:43, 1 February 2007 (EST)

A speculation section seems not to be too aggressive towards lore, even if it's generally a noob that puts his ideas without asking that creates it. I guess that's the balance for restricting some privileges to well-known users. Maybe remove it and place it on the talk page.--K ) (talk) 15:26, 1 February 2007 (EST)

I'm just getting a bit bored insanity sections on so many Lore char pages (don't forget the Great Arthas Incident last year). Curiously, the only one confirmed to possibly be insane (Illidan) lacks such a section. Especially since most of these characters are only insane for the purposes of dramatic dialogue.

Also, while alleigance with demons is ill-advised, it is not a mark of insanity. Even if it were, we don't need a section on it.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:51, 1 February 2007 (EST)

Other than his alliance with the Burning Legion and the King comment, do we have any other evidence of possible insanity? The section is vague on specifics and seems to map Illidan's or Arthas's process of going nuts onto Kael (brooding, racist sentiments, delusions of grandeur). User:Montag/sig 20:32, 5 February 2007 (EST)

I don't think so. Even for Arthas or Illidan, those arguments are weak.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:47, 5 February

2007 (EST)

Deleted info

So...why the kael'thas information i added was removed??? -- Mardook

Images of unreleased content are not allowed. Also, the section you added was speculation, not a spoiler, and it needs a source. User:Kirkburn/Sig 13:49, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Ok... why did you decided that it was unreleased content. So can yiu return the section I added and change "spoiler" to "speculation"? --Named for: Supreme god of the Babel mythology

Favorite WarCraft characters: Furion, Tyrande, Illidan, Jaina, Thrall, Medivh, Kil'jaeden, Krasus, Archimonde, Malygos, Nozdormu, Sargeras and other Titans, Old Gods, Velen, Kael'thas, Rexxar, Chen

My WarCraft Experience: all (except RPG books and the second part of The Sunwell Trilogy)

Wait until Ragestorm has had his say - he's head Bookkeeper. User:Kirkburn/Sig 14:15, 11 February 2007 (EST)

My say: the section reads like an explanation to his alliance with the Legion- it sounds more like the sort of thing one of his followers would say than something concrete. If these are confirmed as being his intentions (by an NPC who doesn't work for him), then that can go somewhere else in the article. It should be noted, however, that he is still a villain.

And that image has been confirmed as datamined and removed several times. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:05, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Kael'thas Sunstrider (tactics)

I suggest we create another article (similar to the way we have Kel'Thuzad and Kel'Thuzad (tactics)) called Kael'thas (tactics) where the {{Tempest Keep}} boss list can live. Once people start to take him on, we can add information to that page as well. User:Montag/sig 09:25, 17 February 2007 (EST)

Of course. -_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 09:38, 17 February 2007 (EST)

Thalassian name

I assume 'Quel'belore' is a correct translation of 'Sunstrider', 'Quel' meaning 'high' and 'belore' meaning 'sun'. The French translation for Suntrider is 'Haut-Soleil', in English 'Highsun'.--K ) (talk) 10:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

"Sunstrider" means "he who walks the day," don't ask me why. It's not clear whether it's Thalassian or Darnassian. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The name Sunstrider is Darnassian, and predates the high elven society and the language of Thalassian, as it was originally a surname within the Highborne class. I'm not sure why they translated his name that way in French, but "Sunstrider" comes from the two English words, "sun", and "strider" (walker), which is officially translated as "He who walks in the day".

Following the standard grammar with surnames, it is presented in the English language, rather than Darnassian. Bala'belore is the best guess I can come up with at the moment, but it's in no way official, of course. Belore means sun, and Bal'a Dash possibly means "Traveler". Nethermancer Sepethrea utters "Anu... Bala belore... alon..." (or some such) as she dies. It's possible that she's mentioning him. I guess. Suzaku 05:08, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow, Suzaku! I'm impressed! oO Thanks for everything, along with Ragestorm.--K ) (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Dalarani Resistance?

Kael's position as "Leader of the Dalarani Resistance" should, I think, be removed. First, when Kael was part of the resistance, he always served under Garithos. Second, we have no basis to assume that Finnall's resistance is the same entity. Indeed, they could well have existed at the same time. - Parqual Fintalas

While I question Garithos (he lead the entire Lordaeron resistance, while Kael led the Dalarani faction), you have a point about Finnall's organization. Also, we'd appreciate it if you signed you posts properly (with four tildes, ~ ~ ~ ~). --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Destroying the Legion from Within?

It could possibly be that the Twisting Nether is infact PART of Outland, and by Destroying the Netherstorm he obliterates the Burning Legion, While he teleports the keep Over Silvermoon City, Creates a New Sunwell using the Vial of Eternity, The Demons in the keep he shackles to be fed on, And uses the Keeps energys to empower the Blood Elfs? Restoring there Civilization?

It could be that he is playing that...

Well if that's it then he's a very talented actor.If u follow the quest started by his orb it would seem he's trying to get Kil'jaeden into Azeroth not trying to destroy the demons,you can never know what his true motives are but still I don't think he can trick Th Deceiver,so it remains to be seen what Blizzard will decide regarding the fate of Kael'Thas.............BTW does anybody know why Illidan orders Akama to destry Kael's Pheonix A'lar?Do u think he found out he was betrayed,or maybe it has something to do with his Blood Knights ,maybe Kael was helped by some Naaru?Otherwise I don't think he could make his blood knights (something i posted on the Paladin Lore Discussion Page).---Marakanis

Is there a particular reason that Kael can't have just been seduced by their promises of power? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

The Twisting Nether isn't part of Outland; Outland is IN the Twisting Nether. It's like saying that destroying Hawaii will destroy the Pacific Ocean: not gonna happen. That Kael'thas is intending to destroy the Burning Legion from within is possible, but the fact that he's siding with them so fully seems to indicate otherwise; at the very least, he no longer cares about anything but the salvation of Quel'thalas and the blood elves, and is willing to destroy the rest of Azeroth to achieve that. As far as A'lar, though, you're correct. As part of the Black Temple attunement chain, Akama tells Illidan that Kael'thas has betrayed him. Illidan remarks that he isn't exactly surprised, then orders A'lar's death. - Dark T Zeratul 02:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)