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Issues about Jaina's personal relationships discussion at Talk:Jaina Proudmoore/Relationships.

Random stuff Edit

May as well dump this here. I was reading the personality section and I noticed the bit about "laying her life on the line" for others and "will refuse to see harm come to any innocent in her presence". All the dead slaves from Pit of Saron would probably disagree with that. She saw fit to chase down and challenge the Lich King himself in Halls of Reflection... but not Sindragosa? Weezman (talk) 22:00, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

About that Quest at the end of TFT: TO Tame a Land. I never saw the extentions for that, i checked back into Blizzard and they still haven't show anything. Even though if you look up on Jaina's father there is a picture showing him in Warcraft III. I have NEVER seen him in the game. ~ Kailex

Blizard did release them. It should be avaliable with the download of one of the patches for TFT. Adm. Proudmoore appears and has dialogue there. 'Tis a shame he couldn't lay the past to rest (hence the chapter name, "Old Hatreds") but he went down fighting ("A Blaze of Glory"). --Ragestorm 07:05, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Uh. It was the bonus campaign in TFT. Patch up, and go play it. Pzychotix 11:22, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Lol... it must really suck to be Jaina. All her past boyfriends got screwed. One became the greatest Evil ever known to Azeroth. The other became a magic addict. Not just that, Half the world thinks she is in love with an Orcish warchief named Thrall. Here is the kick. Right now, none of them are human. Arthas is now undead right? He may not have died but he is the Lich King now eh? --Invin Dranoel 00:10, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

A) the situation isn't anything to lol about, it's rather sad. 2) This has all been noted in the article. C) What's wrong with elven-mage relationships? 4) I wouldn't call it half the world, and it would by unfair to say that he doesn't return the affection. Zed) this is an encyclopedia, not a forum. Discussion should be moved to analysis or usertalk. --Ragestorm 00:57, 18 October 2006 (EDT)
Is Jaina a Faction Leader? That is, if killed does she give an HK: Leader ? Or do you not get anything for killing her? --Theschief 20 October 2006 (EDT)

Your query is addressed in the section on her role in WoW. Sign your posts, please.--Ragestorm 23:37, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

Last surviving heir? Edit

I edited the part that mentioned Jaina being the last surviving heir of the founders and leaders of the Alliance, since doesn't she have two siblings, (one brother - Tandred Proudmoore, and a half-sister - Finall Goldensword) who are both currently alive?

Finnal chance to be heir to "Lord Admiral" position may not be as likely, since for one rumors that she Daelin's illegitimate daughter may or may not be true(according to Alliance Player's Guide), and the fact she is an illegitimate daughter may actually hurt her chance for the line of the throne dependent on how Kul Tiras culture views illigitimacy.
Tandred is definitely another surviving heir. Its unclear how many sons and daughters Daelin had, we know his eldest son was lost with the Third Fleet.Baggins 17:45, 2 December 2006 (EST)

I just read the bit about Jaina having a shot at being Highlady of the Alliance. If anything, her heritage gives her a chance of becoming the leader of Kul Tiras, but not the whole Alliance, unless Kul Tiras becomes the main Alliance nation, A position that Stormwind is holding in place of Lordaeron. Being a highly skilled mage with ties to Dalaran, she also has a chance of leadership with that nation. But, we must remember that in normal royal lines, preference is given to the eldest son to be ruler, so Jaina's out of luck with Kul Tiras unless 'something' happens to her brother. Based on Magocracy page on Wowwiki, Dalaran is ruled by a council of arch-mages, the Magocrats, and are elected democratically. Because we don't know Dalaran's current status, we are unsure of whether the Magocracy has been replenished. If not, then Jaina may be allowed a seat on the Magocrat Council. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by G3n0c1de (talkcontr).

According to the APG, Theramore is the official Alliance capital, since it's the "heir" to Lordaeron - so Jaina already IS leader of the Alliance remnants. Stormwind just doesn't like that and tries to build it's "own Alliance" on the eastern continent, probably due to Katrana Prestors influence. --Tulon 16:00, 21 Septemper 2007
What??? Ellethwen 01:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Current position Edit

I ran by Theramore today and noticed Jaina's sitting outside just kinda.. hanging out with her friends. Any idea why Blizzard changed her position? // Montagg (talk · contr) 21:06, 1 February 2007 (EST)

Did you try talking to them? They might have an answer. By "friends," do you refer to Tervosh and Pained?--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:05, 1 February 2007 (EST)
Yeah, those two. Although, if I tried talking to them, they would probably kill me. Horde ~> // Montagg (talk · contr) 22:46, 1 February 2007 (EST)

Ah. Well, there might be some reason- or else they've reprogrammed NPCs to act like real people, who do need a walk now and again. Tervosh is her advisor, so he'd be there, and Pained, well, the theories about her are rather interesting- in both cases, they'd accompany her. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:15, 1 February 2007 (EST)

There's an Alliance quest that has them teleport outside Theramore Isle to apprehend a traitor and hand out the quest reward. You probably walked by before they despawned. - Dark T Zeratul 03:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I think Jaina does get out and walk around Theramore. I'm pretty sure I've seen her walk around with her advisers at least once when I visited Theramore. I guess since she isn't a racial leader, Blizzard decided to make her a little more mobile. (Omega2010 (talk) 03:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC))

Quotes Edit

This page mentions "aggro" and "greeting" quotes for Jaina, am I to assume this is refering to WoW? I know important characters in lore, even if their not faction leaders, say unique quotes when clicked on, and I think they say something unique when a player of the other faction enters their aggro range. (I remember this one time a dwarf entered Grommash Hold in Orgrimmar, and Vol'jin said something like "For the Darkspear Tribe!".) Hordesupporter 00:06, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

I think that some of those are from WCIII.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:08, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Well... i'm fairly certain the important characters say something unique once the player aggros them, ca we put those quotes on their pages? I'm dieing to hear what all of them say, espically Sylvanas, my favorite warcraft character. Hordesupporter 01:04, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

<shrug> I don't see why not. It would be nice to include some of her more memorable lines from WC3, though...--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Cycle of HatredEdit

Where in the book does it indicate that the warlocks are either Eredar or Satyrs? I've read through it numerous times, and I can't recall any mention of their specific features. --Austin P 07:27, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

It mentions that they have hooves. Of the hooved races who are described as "warlock" those two are the most likely. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 09:18, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

You wouldn't know which page or which part of the story, would you? --Austin P 16:39, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Don't have the book in front of me, but the hooves would have been mentioned at some point during the battle with Zmodlor- I think Aegqynn glimpsed them through the smoke or something like that. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:11, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Checked, and there's nothing of the sort. The Warlocks features are not described, only that they wear hoods. --Austin P 18:02, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

That might be the source of the confusion then. Go ahead and remove the species line, then. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:56, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

Jaina as ruler of Dalaran?Edit

Shouldn’t Jaina be one of the ruling members of Dalaran? Its stated in the article that she is the most powerful human sorceress alive.--Blooddealer 03:15, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Magical aptitude doesn't automatically make one part of the Kirin Tor. There are many other qualifiers. Now, they'd probably let her in if she wanted, but I suspect that her position as head of Theramore Isle would eliminate that possibility. - Dark T Zeratul 03:49, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
She has too many duties in Kalimdor to drag herself to their meetings (she is not quite powerful enough to assume leadership of the group), but yes, there is a position on the Kirin Tor if she so desired. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:24, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for the answers guys! :P --Blooddealer 11:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, Jaina was Antonidas' protegee, so she probably would have become a member of the Kirin Tor if not for the fall of Dalaran. Saimdusan 07:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I have a question u think she knows Kael"Thas betrayed his own people to the Burning Legion if yes what do u think her reaction would be?Well i think we'll know someday since A'dal said Kil'Jaeden is heading towards Azeroth .....Kael is with the Burning Legion right?Think it would be great if there will be an event with Kael and Jaina don't you?-Marakanis

Jaina is the most powerful sorceress in Azeroth at this point of time. But there are still many magic users in the world that are stronger than her (And have higher positions than her prior to Dalaran's Fall). Khadgar and Rhonin would be better candidates, Khadgar having studied under the Naaru, becoming more powerful than ever, and Rhonin, having closer contacts to Dragon Aspects and their Dragonflights than Jaina. Also, it would be important to note that in Warcraft's Medival setting, sexism may have played a part. I think that Jaina really doesn't have much to do in Theramore. With Thrall's pledge of peace, and her own sizable military, (Security and Diplomacy is pretty much covered), Theramore Isle being the only Alliance sea route avaiable to the Eastern Kalimdor (Economy covered), I don't see how much responsibility she has. --Invin Dranoel 05:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

You'll find that ruling any sort of territory, be it a villiage or an empire, is a lot of work. In particular, she can't surrender Theramore to another Alliance nation, as there's no way she can be sure the new ruler will continue her policies. Also, the Kirin Tor already have a capable leader. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

But that guy's power and political ties is no where as diverse as Jaina, Rhonin or Khadgar. Still, 40 years... this man have seen some tough times. --Invin Dranoel 12:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

"Protecting Theramore"? She just stands there in the tower doing nothing. I think she vill be the subleader of Dalaran in WOTLK, that's a more honorable role than defending a city no one will be interacting with. Theramore might be smaller capital but people are questing there only for a couple of levels. She might well find a suitable replacer for herself. I believe that she, as well, wants to be where all the action is going to take place – in the arctic wastes of Northrend. --  Shandris  talk / contribs 09:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with you ( especially since Antonidas took such a shine to her ), but something's telling me either Rhonin, Khadgar, Krasus, BIGMIKE, or Ansirem Runeweaver'll be the ones calling the shots there ( I'm sure I've said this elsewhere, by the way.  :D? ). Jaina's probably too busy making peace talks with Thrall to go there and if she had someone take her place god only knows what'd happen ( "So Thrall! I got a letter from Jaina and she said you're dumb and she laughed when she heard Grom died." ). If anything I'm sure the Alliance players will be asked to saunter over to Theramore to pick up a couple of "kick Arthas' ass plz kthx" quests, or maybe Theramore'll be destroyed and everyone there'll have to go to Northrend?
EDIT: Oh I like how most of the points I just brought up were mentioned. My bad. --Super Bhaal 09:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, interesting thought.... I've never understood why Jaina lost her alliance with the Horde (orcs, trolls and tauren in WC3); why is she friends with the Alliance, especially the humans of Stormwind who have not much to do with the Lordearon humans? She deserves better.
Maybe Theramore could be teleported and become a floating subcity of Dalaran? At least she would still rule the town :P If she is so powerful as they say, she might as well teleport (Mass Teleport spell in the RTS series) herself and her town to Northrend. --  Shandris  talk / contribs 11:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Nah, she's too environmentally friendly to yank an island out of the sea like that. If anything she'd hop a boat. --Super Bhaal 16:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Teleport would be most likely. Ragestorm is right. Ruling any country, whether small or large, is a huge responsibility. Not to mention with Defias just landing in the area, with Onyxia's lair just nearby. Jaina has pretty big concerns. --Invin Dranoel 01:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually I'm pretty sure the Defias connection has been in Theramore the entire time, they just got around to finishing the quests, :p... It was hinted on way back in some of the earlier quests..--Baggins 01:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

2.3 PTR quests (Missing Diplomat continuation!) Edit

Sticking this here since I don't want to mess with an article about a storyline character.

The Missing Diplomat quest chain continues:

Jaina Completes:

Jaina Starts:

Bah. Server crashes just before I port back to Theramore... Will update with the conclusion. --User:Kaydeethree/Sig 21:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Sweet.Baggins 21:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Weak LeaderEdit

Obviously Jaina has a very friendly relationship with the Horde and even aloowed them to kill her father.

This would show why she would not be the right choice for leading the Alliance, the Horde can push her around and she doesnt possess the capabilities for a "Peace Through Strength" policy.

I think we should add that but maybe under a speculation sub section

-Dunnsworth 04:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

WTF? Her father blantantly broke the peace treaty by attacking them, and provoking them to kill him. Jaina wants peach between Horde and Alliance. Horde does not push her around. Have you even played a Horde char? --Eman91 16:19, 2008-02-20
Actually she wants there to be peace between the Horde and Alliance. That's actually one of the reasons why she is considered one of the stronger leaders. Most of the others just want to kill the Horde, and not think twice about it. So no, your speculation would not be allowed too much "opinion" involved.Baggins 05:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

The Horde isn't "pushing her around", they are her friends. Cycle of Hatred is a good read about this. --Xavius 08:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Jaina is not being "pushed around."  She simply would like to see an official truce drawn. (To tell the truth, it's likely that Thrall would agree with her on this.)  And her father was a seriously disturbed little man.
Of course, there are people who will see any would-be peacemaker as "weak."  However, I'd really like to see the individual—short of another boss character—who could push Jaina around without an army and/or raid group backing them up.
IconSmall Draenei Female Farseer Loloteatalkcontrib 09:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd say that she allowed her father to push her around. She wasn't shown making much of an effort to keep him from taking over her nation and even though she looks like she'll defend Rexxar, she just runs away. But I'll have to cut her some slack, because it IS her father, and he seems to have a more forceful personality than her.--Austin P (talk) 17:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

In fairness there probably wasn't much she could do. And when she teleported away she may have been trying to convince him to do otherwise. Of course he was a seriously disturbed little man. His kingdom was almost completely destroyed by the Orcs. You wonder why he wanted vengeance? At least some of the Orcs from the Second War were still alive (I think) and had been part of the invasion. I don't think Jaina is weak, but I feel she does have too strong sympathies for the Horde (after all, she left her father to die for/by them).

Removed Fan artEdit

English appearence?Edit

I'm English myself, and I'm confused. How does Jaina look English excatly?Alliance mage 22:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The offending passage has since been removed. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow, who was dumb enough to say that? She looks more like an American Pop Model in some pictures.-- IconSmall HighElf Male Gwyain Talk Contribs 18:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey its Lady Britney Spears.  Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 02:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
You'd be surprised at some of the crap people think we're willing to host. -_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 03:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Clarification on Jaina's role in World of Warcraft Edit

This entire section in the article seems to be a mixture of game play mechanic descriptions, speculation, and very little cited facts. What occurs in game's mechanics, and who you kill to get "honor points" doesn't necessarily represent what goes on in the official lore. I'm not even sure we really even need that section of the article at all.Baggins (talk) 05:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. While the notes on Alliance succession are interesting, they don't have much of a place here, and I think be know most people realize what sort of role she plays. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

She IS a warrior Edit

Since she faught in a war she is technacly a warrior DON'T DENIE MY EDIT. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The last Alterac (talkcontr).

Nobody finds that funny or cute or whatever. It's a good thing you can't get banned for simply being unconstructive. If you are not an attention seeking troll in disguise i'd be truely amazed. No offense.Warthok Talk Contribs 10:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Since he's a repeat offender with a history of false edits, I might make an exception. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Ragestorm... I've asked Bagins to ban me, but I failed to convince him.--The last Alterac (talk) 00:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually if it was up to me I would have banned you, a long time ago... But i'd just have been accused of being a rogue admin, and not giving specific enough reasons for the banning.Baggins (talk) 05:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
If someone's quite literally asking for a ban, do you really need a more specific reason? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dark T Zeratul (talkcontr).
He wasn't "literally asking" in my experiences with him, just poor not so well thoughout out arguements, occasional edit wars, removal of information, etc.Baggins (talk) 06:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I've given him a three-day. If he keeps adding nonsense like Jaina had the warrior class because she was in a war, or that Garithos imprisoned the blood elves because of his inherent shyness, that time will shoot up. Ditto if he doesn't start learning English. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Well I may come late to the discussion but Jaina even has the quote: "I'm no warrior" in Warcraft III. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 05:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

About the picture I added Edit

Well maybe the image I added is pointless but compare it carefully. You'll notice they are different models. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 22:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Jaina old model

Jaina's old model in Warcraft III[1].


Jaina in Warcraft III

There are two differences. 1) In the picture you added, the sigils, shoulder pads and backlight are red, not violet. This is the part of her model that changes depending on what color team she is set to. 2) In the one you added, Jaina is either speaking or about to speak. The portraits in Warcraft III move. It's the same model in a different position and color. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Not really the same, I tried on the World Editor with a red Jaina and made her to speak, if you want I can put as many screenshots as you want and you'll see that the difference is that the picture of the red jaina is farther than the current model. Also the color doesn't matter, just see this other picture: [2] or this [3] and compare them with the picture from the actual Jaina, you'll notice that the angle is farther than the current model. However is a very simple difference, if you want delete the image. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 03:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm still not sure what you're trying to say. It's the same model, she's just from from a different angle relative to the viewer because the portrait moves when she talks. Whatever the case, it is redundant.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 06:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Its the same model. I'd stake whatever you want on it. The differences are due to what rage said, and that theres differces in how zoomed in the portraits are depending on whether it is appearing in the unit window on the bottom of the screen during gameplay, in the model viewer, or in the dialogue box at the bottom in a machina cutscene in the game. Also jaina never appeared on the "red team" in War3.Warthok Talk Contribs 01:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
File:Jaina's faces.jpg

Ok, I'll have to take the screenshots. First of all I have reuploaded the image from the old model that had red team for a Jaina with purple team of the old model. Now, look at the picture at the left with many faces of Jaina, they were taken every 1 second from Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos while Jaina was speaking. You will notice that none of them are the same as the one I said it's the old model. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 18:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

The one in the upper-right is nigh-identical, actually, and the differences can mostly be blamed on image resolution -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
File:Jaina Old vs New model.jpg
It's not the resolution, but you are right they are almost identical. This is what I was trying to say in the second comentary: They are different but that's not because the resolution, it's because more of Jaina's body is showed. This is the last picture I hope, compare them and you'll see that the old model it's nearly identical but more of Jaina's body can be seen. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 20:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
To my eyes, that looks more like the new portrait is a closer zoom than the old one, I still don't see how it's a separate model. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
that looks more like the new portrait is a closer zoom than the old one That is what i was trying to say but I couldn't explain, sorry. Well I said it was a different model because it's impossible to see zoomed out the portrait in the retail version of Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos.
Now that the discussion is over I think some of the screenshots should be deleted. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 23:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

New Model?Edit

Is it just my eyes or does Jaina have a new model? Sedurut (talk) 10:25, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Not then, but as the latest build of PTR 3.3 she has a new one!!!--Beloren (talk) 03:38, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

It sorta varies - in the beginning of Forge of Souls she has the new one, but at the end it uses the old one. Kinda odd. --Joshmaul (talk) 09:40, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

It kinda looks like Mariel Zagunis. The Darkener (talk) 16:11, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Cataclysm Edit

There has been no confirmation that Garrosh is going to take Thrall's place as the Warchief of the Horde, hence the elmination of the recent Cataclysm section in this article.--Signoftheend (talk) 11:33, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

This doesn't even belong here. Take it to the forums. BobNamataki (talk) 12:08, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
He's explaining why he removed a recently added section in the article because of speculation, a removal i agree with. It does indeed belong here.Warthok Talk Contribs 12:18, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Relationship with ThrallEdit

Interesting point; the article in the rpg book that says that Thrall and Jaina have not been romantically involved is the same article about Jaina's half elven half sister. And, sad as it makes me, this is the one specific article that Metzen claimed he did not consider to be canon. Now, granted there is a neutral point of view on lore here, but at the very least this should make the question some what murky.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 10:52, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Well, Metzen was referring primarily to the character, not the source, though it isn't that likely that Finnall is questionable but that statement isn't. Metzen's whole point was that he wasn't intending to go anywhere with Goldensword. He doesn't seem to be going anywhere with Thrall and Jaina, either, and questionable or not, they don't seem to have been involved. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:23, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Jaina's age Edit

I changed the beginning line of her biography, which was starting with "Born during the Second War". Actually Jaina was born prior to the First War. Just think about it: according to the modern timeline the Second War was in the year 6 and the Third War in the year 20. So Jaina was 14 in WarCraft 3: RoC ? Obviously not. The WarCraft 3: RoC Manual states her age as 23 at the time (one year younger than Arthas). That means that she was born in the year (-3). So yes, Jaina was born three years prior to the First War. Btw, WoW:WotLK stated to be hold during the year 27. That means Jaina is 30 now. Happy Anniversary! :) Dracula5 (talk) 01:05, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Jaina becomes leader of theramoore ? Edit according to these voice files she does--Shaerala (talk) 11:40, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, Jaina was already leader of Theramore. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 20 Jul 2012 10:13 AM Pacific

Stub? Edit

Hey, I noticed Jaina's article is listed as a stub. Is it really?

Probably there in case all the MoP info hasn't been included yet. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 23:40, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Jaina rules Edit

In my opinion, Jaina is the biggest character in Warcraft Universe, I mean she survived so much (her father was killed right before her eyes, Arthas too, and than Theramore's destruction), I think that Blizzard would be very desperate to turn such a hero into a villian. I mean ofcourse that she went crazy, she was so fierce after her city was destroyed, she probably need some time to calm down. Cecijo

She is definitely one of my favorite lore characters, and underutilized, imho. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 18:27, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
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