Should't there actualy be races on the ,,Race(s) place?--JVS (talk) 16:26, October 19, 2010 (UTC)


"At the bottom of the rift is the Frozen Throne, the heart of the Scourge and the Lich King’s personal seat."

At the bottom?

That doesn't sit with the end of Warcraft III where it zooms out on arthas, sitting on the frozen throne, at the very TOP of Icecrown Citadel.

Istvan of Rexxar 18:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The intent is, that the citadel is lower than much of Northrend and Icecrown glacier around it, and is located inside a rift.Baggins 18:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Can I alter the cited quote to clarfy that? --SWM2448 18:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Observation goes outside of a quote. Either before or after. BTW, that entire tower is the Frozen Throne, the actual citadel is much larger surrounding the entire area, apparently.Baggins 18:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
This still doesn't make sense to me. If the entire tower is at the bottom of a rift, then why do all pictures (including the login screen) show a tower coming from the ground and going up into the air? Aliron (talk) 03:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
The rift is so large that when you're inside, you wouldn't be able to tell it's a rift at all. You literally can't see from one end all the way to the other, it's that massive. At least, that's what the implications seemed to be. WoWWiki-Suzaku (talk) 06:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Opening this up again, is the 'rift' the Icecrown Glacier or the underground pit seen in the TFT undead campaign? The spire that is the Frozen Throne was in a closed-roof room before Arthas and Illidan exposed it. When the tower was exposed, was whatever the rift was still there, or ruined? The article is worded oddly.--SWM2448 17:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

In light of what has been seen, this part really needs to be looked at again. Generally I find there's too much credence given to the RP game. Surly (talk) 21:51, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
The article tries to reconcile the RPG description with the game's depiction by suggesting that "the rift may be so large the entire spire is below average ground level", but that's simply not the case in WoW. The top of Icecrown Citadel is easily the highest point in all of Northrend. Its tallest spires are actually higher than the game engine will allow you to fly. Egrem (talk) 09:07, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
You cannot reach the top of ICC, but the Temple of Storms is the highest point of Northrend. The "reachable height" varies upon your location.
Even in WoW, the citadel is "inside the mountain" look at: File:Icecrown Citadel from Dalaran.jpg. (even if that's not really "ground level")
IconSmall Hamuul Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 09:16, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Icecrown in a Patch? Edit

Will The Icecrown Citadel be opened in wotlk patch like like black temple did in the burning crusade. It would Be cool if meeeting the lich king would be the last anyone do before next expansion like it was with kil'jaeden in bc.-LKHighlord 15:51,19 April 2008 (UTC)

At this point in time, there's absolutely no way of knowing that. -- Dark T Zeratul 13:58, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Boss? Edit

Well, except the Lich King the only boss I presume is there is the frost wyrm lady-queen-thing. But.. "During the battle for the Wrath Gate, Saurfang the Younger falls to the Lich King, his soul claimed by Frostmourne, " Anyone know WHY? :O Ofel

Not sure what you're asking here but he has fallen because he rushed headlong into the enemy ranks, trying to take down the Lich King himself. His axe was shattered and he was slain. His soul has been claimed because such is the nature of Frostmourne. If your question hasn't been answered, then try to rewrite it. Dragola (talk) 12:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I noticiated that too. After Saurfang Jr dies the Lich King claims his soul with the frostmourne, maybe we'll see his soul imprisioned on the future and he'll be a boss. That would be good though, the horde really need more meaning to be on northrends even with all the additional story they're actualy not even close to the alliance on matter of reasons to be there and that is jsut retardad Azahel (talk) 13:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Just remember Azahel the Blood Elves and the Forsaken have a big reason to be there,but the whole 'Razing of Orgrimmar' might explain why the orcs, tauren, and trolls are heading to face the dark horrors of the frozen north.Sairez (talk)

How 'bout Bolvar? a bug who let players learn what Alexstrazsa said could read that she said: They must not know the young paladins fate. something like that (not sure if he was a paladin) --Wendigo1337

Korialstrasz says: My Queen, do they know?
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: No, my beloved.
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: (Draconic) Ashj zila gul kirasath lok ante il lok buras danashj. Gul gul.
<Korialstrasz nods.>
Korialstrasz says: They will not.
Alexstrasza whispers: Come to me, <name>.

The line in draconic reads:
Alexstrasza: (Draconic) They must not discover the fate of the young paladin. Not yet.
--SFSig-2009 15:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
What about the hundreds of quest givers of the Scourge within Archeous? For example,the horseman,the skeleton and all the other ones?

Malygos Helper (talk) 11:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Here's my list of possible bosses for this instance, in order:

Orisai (talk) 03:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

* I'll add Varian Wrynn for Horde raids, and Garrosh Hellscream for Alliance raids. This is based on details revealed at BlizzCon 2009 that said raids will have to board their respective airship with their faction leader and race the opposite faction in aerial combat before the reach the third level of the instance.Orisai (talk) 05:01, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

My possible Boss list (It needs to be long, there are too many short dungeons and raids now):

I'm sure they'll try to work in Galakrond. User:Coobra/Sig4 03:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I think we're basing too much on lore: it is possible between the bosses some old ones could came, but i doubt that Dar'khan would appear again (wasn't he in meaning to betray Arthas?) or Darkmaster Gandling. It is possible that Blizzard will create a few new bosses, and add Kel'thuzad (i'm pretty sure he will return). But, like the Black Temple or the Sunwell, there will be new characters and not many lore-based bosses;Also i agree with Bolvar and Saurfang as bosses.Malygos Helper (talk) 12:15, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Population? Edit

So i was wondering where did the stats for the population come from? I whould love to get that.(Love the number tough 700'000) TerrorBlades (talk) 22:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Lands of Mystery, 250,000, Brann's very rough guestimate. There has been no other number given as far as I know.Baggins (talk) 16:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a problem. How would you defeat either 700,000 or 250,000? It's simply not possible. BobNamataki (talk) 11:35, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Muradin Edit

So... anyone think that Muradin will come into the encounter kinda like Miev came in to the Illadin encounter? - Unknown

If anyone should join, it should be Sylvanas/Thassarian/Koltira. IconSmall Dranosh Vraul Jawrip (talk · contr) () 03:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Muradin has never wanted to kill the Lich King so I think that would be pretty quirky that a little history-nerdy dwarf would finish off the pandemonius of this expansion. I do not yet know who's the great Avenger of the Lich King. Maybe Dalaran leaders? --SFSig-2009 07:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
You are thinking of Brann. Muradin says he will kill Arthas in Quest:The_Brothers_Bronzebeard#Notes.--SWM2448 17:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think the helper boss will be Tirion, but i also believe that it'll be kind of like a four way boss fight, with Sindragosa vs Alexstrasza, Rhonin vs Shade of Kel'Thuzad, Highlord Darion Mograine leading the fight against Scourge forces trying to help their leader. and Highlord Tirion Fordring vs The Lich King with the 40 man raid split up into 4 groups, each group helping a different boss. That's my belief. - Battm7 O.O

That does sound like a cool idea, but I don't think Blizzard would put all the bosses together like that. I think Blizz also said that they wouldn't make any more 40-man raids, because such high volumes of players have difficulty working together. Marks Spec RoundIcon Tazmantdr WC3RoC logo 16x32 Talk Contr. 15:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

As for the helper boss for the Lich King himself, there are many characters who have pasts with Arthas and/or reasons to kill him personally: Muradin Bronzebeard, Sylvanas Windrunner, Jaina Proudmoore, Varian Wrynn, Tirion Fordring, Darion Mograine, or even Richard A. Knaak's Crowd (Rhonin, Vereesa Windrunner, Korialstrasz.) Magni Bronzebeard and Thrall also have reasons to kill him, but are unlikely to go to Northrend for it. I think it's probably going to be Tirion and/or Darion, involving the Ashbringer. However I personally think It would be cooler if it was King Varian. I don't read the comics, but from what I've seen of them, he's battling hard in Northrend already. He grew up with Arthas, and would have been greatly affected by the death of King Terenas, who was essentially a father to him. He also would be vengeful after the death of Bolvar, which seems pretty significant since Varian already appears to be pretty bloodthirsty and gung-ho. After being dropped into the game when WotLK was released, it wouldn't be surprising if he had such a significant role.Marks Spec RoundIcon Tazmantdr WC3RoC logo 16x32 Talk Contr. 15:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Well,i don't think that there will be character like Sylvanas,Varian or any faction leader.I simply think there will be Mograine and Tirion,nothing more.Or at maximum there will be Sylvanas if you're Horde and Varian/Muradin if you're Alliance.Malygos Helper (talk) 08:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Cataclysm Trailer Edit

During the first seconds of the Cataclysm expansion trailer, some scenes of what I think it's Icecrown Citadel inside and the Frozen Trone can be seen, right before the Lich King appears.Orisai (talk) 00:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Image6 IcecrownCitadel
I'd like to add this awsome piece of artwork depicting the Frozen Throne and Sindragosa flying around.
Orisai (talk) 21:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
That's gorgeous! --Super Bhaal (talk) 16:23, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Lich King Edit

Why is there nothing on the Lich King's abilities? BobNamataki (talkcontr) 20:14, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Cause he's not available yet. User:Coobra/Sig4 21:46, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
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