Talk:Garona Halforcen

Kingsfall

Is the dagger Kingsfall that drops off Kel'Thuzad the same dagger, if not a reference to, the dagger Garona used to assassinate King Llane? wowlorefan 6:46, 12 January 2007

No info is forthcoming, so think "reference" instead of the actual dagger, for now. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:50, 12 January 2007 (EST)

Daughter of Medivh?

I have a crazy idea. If all the lores are true, Garona was a half-orc half-human as in Warcraft I, and Garona was among the Orcs that came through dark portal from Draenor. The only possible conclusion is she was the daughter of Medivh, the Last Guardian. Because Medivh was the only human that visited Draenor before Dark Portal open.

It is true that blizzard had no full story idea when the first series of warcraft game released. Most of Orc clans have a brutal name - Laughing Skull, Bleeding Hollow, Stormreaver, Warsong..., despite Blizzard described them as peaceful, primal race before the corruption. Furthermore, Dragonmaw clan had their name before they saw any dragons - No dragons in Draenor before Dark Portal.

Let's wait and see how Blizzard tell the story about Garona in future expansions. --Ranma 16:25, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Medivh states she is half-human or half-humanLIKE. dreanei orc is a possibility, but she looks more orc than draenei. given the timeframe now, it is impossible for her to be human, as medivh only visited through dreams, never in person that i've ever heard.--Haddon 17:35, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

I made a similar connection a few months ago, above. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:55, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

"it is impossible for her to be human"

More specifically to quote, "Brann", "It would seem impossible", although not necessarily impossible. Plenty of ways it could work, although that's not to say fans would want those explanations or not.Baggins 23:22, 9 April 2007 (EDT) Gul'dan can be seen wielding the dagger in Shadowmoon Valley(he's ghost anyway)(Marakanis)

Medivh wasn't the 1-st human in Draenor... I don't remember him even going through the Dark Portal. Yes he was with Gul'Dan once, but spiritually...--Grievous 16:12, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Sloppy retcons are not uncommon with Blizzard. Actually, it's preferred. So although there is absolutely no implication existing of Medivh actually physically visiting Draenor, if the writers want to conjure up some new "hidden" (i.e just created) lore to explain it, then it will be done. A large part of why the half-draenei half-orc lineage has been retconned was due to Chris Metzen's decision to lnik the eredar with the draenei. -- Zexx 03:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The main characteristic of sloppy retcons is that they are completely unpredictable. The enormous steamy sack of speculations that our faithful WoWwikians have blissfully brought out of nil was lightyears away from the actual Draenei retcon. What you are doing is predicting a retcon, which is one of the most feared things of the bookkeepers.--K ) (talk) 12:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

All they need to do was say that Sargeras/Medivh was capable of translocation to other worlds, which is more of a tacky plot revelation than a retcon. -_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Then when Blizzard announces that Garona is finally going to become a major player again, we just have to gird our loins and deal with it. Either way, a retcon will come, as Chris Metzen implied. -- Zexx 14:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Ragestorm, "translocation" could have any meaning, I guess. It was said that he visited Draenor and Gul'dan's head "telepathically". Why on earth would he have bothered if he could just translocate? All these conjectures are so wobbly that they might best wait until confirmation.

Zexx, of course you can somehow predict that a retcon is going to happen, but it is in no way serious to introduce your guesses as what the nature of this retcon will be.--K ) (talk) 01:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Why? Did we somehow create a law on speculation now? I see it more as giving an example rather than a speculation. --- Zexx 12:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Hell no, there's no such law.--K ) (talk) 13:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Un-used half-draenei model

"There is an unused model ingame of an orc with features of an uncorrupted draenei{{fact}}, so this model might be used for Garona in the future. It also implies that Garona is a half-draenei/orc."-User:Bas

If that is true, and you weren't just looking at a Paint Shop job on someone's website, it begs the question why it wasn't used for Lantresor of the Blade? Though it would fit the info in the RPG that "Half-draenei" are supposed to have physical features of Draenei with orc features. But that would be in contradiction to the fact that she was not supposed to have any draenei features.Baggins 13:04, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

After a quick look using the model viewer, I couldn't find that model. If there really is one, could someone provide us with the file name? --Teomyr 13:19, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

He put it in there... take a look. --Sandwichman2448 15:35, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

Umm... am I the only one who noticed that the model is male, and therefore cannot be Garona?--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:41, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Well it does seem to be based off the basic orc female model, orc female panties, and orc female facial structure, if its male it sure has huge man-boobs (no offense)... Its not the first time blizzard has used other base models to design "new" creatures, for example Wretched (built from male Forsaken model).Baggins 10:57, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

<shrug> To this anthropologist's eyes, it looks definetly male. I agree that a clearly female version of that could work for Garona- sorry, but this would definetly be a retcon. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 15:06, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

I think we would agree that it would be a major retcon, as it looks absolutely nothing like she was described or portrayed in other sources, text or artwork. I think people forget that "when" Caydiem made that assumption, that Garona must be "half-draenei", she was going from an idea that "draenei" must have used look almost exactly like humans before being "corrupted" by the destruction of "their" world, :p... Metzen's idea to turn draenei into "eredar" came much later.-Baggins 15:11, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Currently, theory that this picture may be a hoax, or a glitch. Apparently it is a female orc-body, with male draenei graphic mapped to it. It apparently doesn't exist in the known models, or at least no one else has been able to access the graphic.Baggins 23:28, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Someone just skinned the female Orc body with the male Draenei skin. This so-called "possibility" needs to be removed from the article. This hoax isn't well-done.

• Inserted picture for reference* ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 11:30, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Don't agree with that. Garona got included in WoW once and she already has a model.... (http://www.wowwiki.com/images/f/f4/GaronaWoWBeta.jpg)--Grievous 16:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

On a note regarding that "half draenei model", I know where it comes from. In the model veiwer, under the creature section, are several unused models from alpha, including a slew of different human body types and a handfull of orc ones, including one called "Orcfemalewarriorlight" which has no skin texture on it. On models such as that, if you open a character model, then open the skinless model, the skin of the character will be plastered onto the skin of the creature. So in this case, someone opened a male draenei character model, then went to the creature section, down to the female warrior model, and opened it, resulting in the so called half draenei model. The same method can be used to get a decent idea what a female fel orc would look like.Tweak the Whacked 00:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I tried that. It didn't work; the model wasn't visible at all. —Qit el-Remel 12:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Hidden Orc Model or Hoax?

There has been a claim that an unused model exists game files that appears to have orc and draenei-like features[1]. There is some discussion that it might be an unfinished female Broken model, however. Other speculate that it is a glitch or a hoax created from a female orc model retextured with the male draenei skin. If it is real, it could possibly be used in the future for Garona, or even Lantressor. It should be noted that this so-called "hidden" model cannot be found using the model viewer.

It is much more likely, upon closer inspection, that someone simply took the Orc female body and reskinned with a male Draenei texture.

New Discovery: Upon further examination it is nothing but a model that assumes the skin of the character, if you character is a bloodelf and you change your model to that one it will have the bloodelf skin.

Moved to here since its kinda irrelevant in the main article.Baggins 20:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

theres an exapmle of half orc/half draenei in TBC the one guy of the blade is what they look like

Sign your posts... Actually that one just used Rend Blackhand's orc model, in the same way that Arator uses a blood elf model. Its a cheap short cut.Baggins 02:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Assassinaton of king Wrynn

I didn't read novel yet, so can somebody please enlighten me with some general description why Garona assassinated him? Was it simply along "Oh, he's one of my best friends, but since Shadow Councils asks, I guess I'll just have to cut out his heart. Besides I fated to kill him." lines. Shouldn't she tried to decide her own course of actions except depending on some "pre-destiny"? Or, hopefully, there's deeper plot behind this? --Rowaasr13 09:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

She's been ingrained to follow the orders of the Shadow Council, and that destiny controlled her actions- remember that what you or I think about destiny isn't going to the same as other users on this site, let alone what she would think. It's also possible she was geased. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Medivh messed up her mind too. --Austin P 14:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

And that's the main reason Austin. People just don't go and kill their best friends. In "The Last Guardian" Medivh/Sargeras did mess up with her mind to make her kill king Llane no matter what she does. But there is another question - Why didn't Khadgar try to stop her? I am pretty sure if he called a gryphon he would have got to him earlier than that traitor Garona...--Grievous 16:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Broxigar

Just a speculation but if u check the lore regarding Broxigar the Red he was the first orc to have ever been on azeroth way before even the dark portal opened, because he was thrown back in time along with Rhonin and Krasus as the lore states. Therefore keeping those events into account it could be possible that he most likely fell in love with a human girl, The result of which could have been Garon halforcen. Krasus must have then again taken her back to the future altered her memories (like all bronze dragons have the power to do as shown in COT: Durnholde). So when the first orc invasion occured she was most likely taken back by the raiding orc party( as one of krasus's plans) to draenor where she was raised and would then be a part of the events to take place 14 years later. If you look at it this way it would technically make sense as the bronze dragonflight has both the powers to alter peoples minds and change the timeline they have been in. Therefore making sense why Medhiv would comment at her half human features. Most likely making her a Half Human and Half Orc.

Heres a link to Broxigar the red. Broxigar. Aztec ghoul 19:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Several problems: humans weren't around at the time Brox was sent back to, he didn't meet any humans others than Rhonin, and he died before having a chance to do any such stuff (and night elves would have been disgusted by the idea). Krasus also isn't a bronze dragon, and he had little control over who or what was brought back. There also wouldn't have been enough time for the baby to gestate during the events of WotA, meaning the mother would have to be brought to the present as well. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 19:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It might be possible that he might not have met any human during the war of the ancients but the storyline never mentions that humans were never around. Do you think that the humans suddenly appeared on azeroth after the sundering. Its kinda pointless to believe that the human race only came to existence after the sundering. We cant just rule out the ideas just because blizzard never mentioned broxigar meeting any other human other than rhonin and yes i know krasus was a red dragon. But the bronze dragonflight still works in different ways.Aztec ghoul 02:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

"humans weren't around at the time Brox was sent back to"

Azotha humans were around at the time, but they were nomadic fighting the trolls somewhere else on the continent.Bagginstalk § contr 03:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Nice, been wondering about that for ages. --Raze 03:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Metzen on Garona

Q: Garona Halforcen

A: Would like to try to make her significant. She is a very cool character and would like to try to bring her back in and make her a den mother of the orcish race. Just an opinion, not sold to the boys yet, but it would be cool to find Thrall a mate one day ... (laughter). I mean, he's gotta have sons, right? That's my thinking but we'll see how that pans out.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zarnks (talk · contr).

Yes indeed :) User:Kirkburn/Sig3 22:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

She's at least twice his age, even with Gul'dan's acceleration spell! Sorry, I still think that Jaina's half-orc kids would be better.

In other words, neither option is really viable. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Jaina's "half-orc" kid = Garona after a trip to the cavern's of time ;)Baggins 23:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Metzen was only joking. Zarnks 00:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Or was he? ;) I think it was only partly a joke, people were reasonably receptive to it in the audience. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 00:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

What big Idea Baggins --N'Nanz 19:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Garona references in World of Warcraft: Tides of Darkness

It might not mean much but their are references to Garona in Tides of Darkness, some are very interesting, at least the ones I've read (so correct me if I'm misreading the context). Some of the references make it appear as if she may not have come from Draenor, and only knew of it. It makes reference to her not knowing all the details of why or how the orcs first became corrupted, and she apparently learned it second hand. Interesting Khadgar knows that they were once brown-skinned orcs, and turned green from what info he received from Garona.Baggins 03:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Um, WHAT? Source, please?--K ) (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Tides of Darkness? ;) User:Kirkburn/Sig3 18:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, fortunately I can still read, but yet I don't remember anything related to this in the game. Maybe in the manual?--K ) (talk) 19:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You do know of the novel right?Baggins 19:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Shall I? *check WoWwiki* Oh, there's been a new novel out! Wait... Where do I live again? France, that's right the place where none knows a heck about what's going on in the U.S.A. Ok I guess I'll have to look for it on Amazon. Sorry.--K ) (talk) 20:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Fan recolor

fan recolor

Moving the fan recolor out of the article, replaced it with the official artwork version.Baggins 19:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Why do I feel we've had this conversation before? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Lol, I've had to remove these fan recolors from half-dozen pages, :p.Baggins 21:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Would Garona be a daughter of Thrall and Jaina that came back to the past by Caverns of Time?

A lot of people believe in a relationship between these two characters. Wouldn’t it be possible that Garona were their future daughter (a half-orc and half-human) sent back to the past by the Bronze Dragonflight in Caverns of Time to prevent certain events of the past of not happening?

We have discussed this idea before up above, :).Baggins 18:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Thrall + Jaina's Half child

I belive this is a good point.

Garona Halforcen cud be the child of Thrall and Jaina child as they do have a "special" friendship with each other.

Also both of them have a special necklace that lets them know when the other wants to meet them. Both also meet a lot to discuss different stuff between the nations but that wuz before World of Warcraft say about 3 years prior which would rule out the idea of Garona being their child.

If she wuz put through the Caverns of Time that would sort it out. However i doubt the Bronze Dragons would allow someone to be placed bak in time unless they have a special reason. Which could be the fact that it would put Azeroth into dismay if Humans and Orcs found out that their leaders were "more than friends" this would give them a good reason to allow it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jazandar (talk · contr).

And the purpose of this uneditorial statement? This isn't a forum, you know.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey its a wiki for WoW and this is a talk the fact that Garona could be the child of Thrall and Jaina is a good point. If i didnt put it in the right place sorry but you have to remember every point —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jazandar (talk · contr).

The point is : why should you bother? Loads and loads of "good points" have been submitted on the wiki about various lore questions. Very few, if any, have proved true or close to truth. As you may have noticed, this page is full of nonsense statements expressed by all sorts of lore experts and unstoppable neophytes. This page has by far bypassed its limits of useless and worthless speculation. This is a talk page for the wiki article about Garona. Please only discuss about possible improvements for the article itself. Keep your "fan" (I don't like that word either) ideas for the analysis talk page, or some kind of Warcraft forum. We are trying to give WoWwiki an encyclopaedia's purpose, not a mess of user-made suppositions.--K ) (talk) 13:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

What he said. The discussion page is for discussing changes to the article. Some pages have analysis talk pages for non-editorial discussions that have cropped up. The reason we're getting on your case is because A) Your above comment is clearly intended as lore discussion, not editorial, and B) we don't post all forms of speculation on all subjects, and Garona has by far too much speculation already. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Then guys what is a talk page?Geez if i put a statement in a wrong place then im sorry you've already given me a mouthful ive got the picture and yes youre right there is already to much writing on Garona but if u want WoW wiki to be an encyclopaedia then dont just have a shout at me what about all others who commented on this page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jazandar (talk · contr).

We're not shouting at you, dear member. This is no place for your ideas, this page was meant for finding improvements for the article itself, not the facts stated. Thank us for helping you not to get in slight trouble. Welcome to WoWwiki, have a look on our policies pages, and ask us for help.--K ) (talk) 00:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah common stop picking on the guy.Baggins 00:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

>_< Mean Baggins. I wasn't picking on him, I just wanted him to know that we'll be glad to help him as long as he doesn't take personally our policy-abiding moves.--K ) (talk) 00:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Garona would be at least twice as old as Jaina. Efreeti 16:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Garona, Thrall's early days (thrall and garona both have the abillity to read and write) and the friendship between Thrall and Jaina are rare oppurtunities of interaction between the alliance and the horde, since she's a timetraveller i say yeah, we put all this together. (Sweatboy (talk) 03:00, 13 September 2008 (UTC))

Where she was seen last time

No, I'm not talking about the Ravenholdt Manor. I'm asking where Doomhammer was torturing her? Was it on Draenor, or in Azeroth? If on Azeroth, where exactly, if you know? I need it for plans of my campaing for WC3. --Shargas the Naga (talk) 14:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

On Azeroth, that's all that we know. --WarlockSoL (talk) 19:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, anyway. It gives me more options to creativity ;) --Shargas the Naga (blearrgglaerrgall) 20:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

If I was going to take a guess, I would say probably Blackrock Spire, as that's the most likely place you are going to find Orgim Doomhammer during that time period. Either that, or in that general vicinity (Horde-controlled land during War 1). --WarlockSoL (talk) 21:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I was also thinking about the Blackrock Spire. However, I'll be asking around for some details soon, as I'm not familiar with WC1, but interested in this forgotten (by latest lore) character --Shargas the Naga (blearrgglaerrgall) 21:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Garona/Sargeras?

I have read The Last Guardian. Is there any chance that when Medivh touched Garona's head and made that second spell, that a part of Sargeras went into her? After the battle with Medivh, she mysteriously disappeared—and Khadgar tried to look for her but never did find her. She ended up killing King Llane, and Khadgar doesn't seem to have stopped her. The only thing I can think is that she was magically shielded since Khadgar is a powerful mage, and I am sure he had the power to find anyone he wanted. He never knew where Medivh went when he was an apprentice at Karazhan either. Garona greatly admired King Llane since he would listen to her ideas. When Garona is about to kill King Llane she seems conflicted as if she is not controlling her movements. Rolandius (talk) 01:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The disappearance and killing Llane thing is pretty well-covered by the Shadow Council explanation (she could have even been geased). Plus, if comments made at Blizzcon are examined, it looks that while they're interested in bringing her back, they haven't actually done the story yet. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

What does "geased" mean? If Garona was affected by Medivh's touch, it would be a great way to bring in a bit of Sargeras into the WoW world. Rolandius (talk) 04:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

To be technical, he is already in the WoW world ;-P. Geased: being forced to operate under a geas, a powerful spell-like work of magic that forces the victim to carry out the instruction of the geas or die. Typically, it differs from mind control in that the geased individual is bound to follow the wording of the spell. Personally, I think that it would be better to have just let that damned annoying lore-contradicting little piece of him die completely after that incident, unless they decide that it was the whole bit of Sargeras, in which case your suggestion isn't so bad. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL I learn something new everyday. Geased—that is a new one. So where is Sargeras in the WoW world?

The WoW world is Azeroth and the Warcraft universe. He's been a part of that for ages. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL I thought you meant he was actually in the game. What I meant was that it could be a way to bring a bit of Sargeras into the game...maybe even his avatar. LOL Not actually him of course he is too powerful. Rolandius (talk) 13:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

My friends and I always maintained that the final, epic battle of WoW would be all 10 million subscribers fighting Sargeras's left thumb. And losing.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 15:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I add to that: Unless the Titans come back, as foretold, to help us. Rolandius (talk) 09:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

It seems obvious

Given that she is obviously one of the earliest major characters to still exist, the way I see it, where Garona's parentage is concerned, there are only really two possibilities. Either:-

• She is half-human, but the explanation of how a human got to Draenor before the opening of the Portal was never explained, and due to the story having changed so much now, Blizzard would no longer be able to explain it in such a way that it fits, despite the fact that, as a character she's still there.

OR

• She's half-Draenei, but that decision was made at a time before Blizzard had concretely fleshed out the story of the Draenei either. Hence, back then, the Draenei that were on the drawing board were a lot closer to humans anatomically, and so Garona could be half Orc, but with the other half being the Draenei that Blizz had conceptualised at the time, not the current variety. Truthfully, I've always really felt as though the whole Argus/Naaru thing was shoehorned in, and not a particularly good fit, in the overall storyline. In the very brief way they were mentioned earlier, I had thought they were supposed to be simply another indigenous race on Draenor who evolved on that planet, parallel to the Orcs. I feel as though that would have been a lot more plausible than all the "space goat," rubbish, as well.

Either way, I feel fairly certain that, that is likely the reason why Blizz are keeping mum about her origins; simply because in continuity terms, she is a mistake. She also isn't one who can easily be retconned out of existence, because of the number of other elements she has become involved in.

In that sense, she is an anomaly, and one which I compare with Tom Bombadil, who I personally believe was Tolkien's Mary Sue. Tolkien would have expended an enormous amount of discipline in the creation and maintenance of Middle Earth. Bombadil was thus Tolkien's one indulgence, and possibly the one anomaly; the one element which simply did not fit the rest of his continuity.

Garona is similar, in the sense that although she isn't a Mary Sue, from the point of view of her origins, she doesn't fit, simply because her origins involved a scenario which is inconsistent with the rest of Blizzard's published history, and as I said, she also now touches too many other elements of the lore to be plausibly edited out. I strongly suspect that if we learn about her origins in the future, it will be because of some artificial contortions that Metzen has performed in the meantime; it won't be the original story of how she came to be, because that happened in a timeline which no longer exists.
Petrus4 (talk) 10:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Retconned out of battle with Medivh?

I'm surprised I haven't seen this mentioned on here yet, but did anyone read the Town Hall page on the Burning Crusade website for Karazhan? http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/karazhan.html

"As the war progressed, Medivh fought against Sargeras' control. The raging conflict within him finally drove the wizard irrevocably insane. His childhood friend and the king's lieutenant-at-arms, Anduin Lothar, suspected the mage of treachery. With the aid of Medivh's young apprentice, Khadgar, Lothar stormed Karazhan and killed his one-time comrade."

The write-up doesn't mention Garona at all. --DerSquirrel (talk) 06:56, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't specifically exclude her from it, though. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

That might be a reason. Lothar was a childhood friend and Khadgar was his apprentice. Garona was just an envoy. Also, Garona didn't really fight him as much as Lothar and Khadgar, they are the two who actually "killed" him. Rolandius (talk - contr) 07:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

News from the Comic

Well, we finally know what Garona did after killing Llane. She took Maternity Leave. She left the kid right away, and apparently the kid has something of a destiny to him. [[2]] On an offtopic note, this whole thing makes me think of some sort of Warcraft Tabloid or something Meneldir (talk) 15:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Anything more? Like why she has purple eyes? Also, I'm putting this on the bottom of the talk page. Xavius, the Satyr Lord 15:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

She leaves her son, called Med'an, that BTW seems to have vestigial draenei tentacles in his face, to an undead mage called Meryl (the same name that the UD warlock action figure has , Meryl Felstorm). Doesn't make anything to clarify Garona's origin, though it would seem she is half-draenei, taking into account her sons' draenei facial features. Also the name Med'an is quite suspicious.--Morgaur (talk) 15:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

How so? Xavius, the Satyr Lord 18:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Interesting Warchiefthrall (talk) 18:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

As evidenced by this, Med'an does share some draenei traits, including tentacle stumps and glowing cyan eyes. They don't show his feet, so we can't tell if he has hooves or not. Garona, however, does not appear to possess draenic traits (but she's hotter than ever), which may indicate that she is not half-draenei, but Med'an is (Garona+Velen?). But why the purple eyes? Sargeras's curse, as mentioned in the preview? Xavius, the Satyr Lord 19:12, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I certainly disagree with your etymology, but it looks like your parentage guess is correct species-wise. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Med'an appears to have vestigial "tendrils" and a vestigial "faceplate," but we definitely see his little toes in one panel.  And if his dad is Prophet Velen, I'm going to scream.  Seriously.  Because the fail will officially be epic.
Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 21:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

that would make sense... somehow... it doesnt explain anything about her origins at all, she could be draenei or not, maybe med'an draenei features are visible cse his mother was a hybrid... anyway, all this expeculation won't help the article in any way and seems really uncessary, let's just wait and see Azahel (talk) 13:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Half Orc-Half Draenei

Last page of issue 15 is a "Cast of Characters" page with Garona on it. Under Garona it says: "An Orc-Draenei Half-Breed trained from childood as an assassin." At long last...we have an answer. That being said i'm not even going to bother tackling this one myself on the mainpage, with the mess it's gonna be taking into account conflicting sources, speculation, etc...Warthok Talk Contribs 09:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

As soon as I see a copy of that, I'll be more that happy to lacerate it with my talons... <evil grin>--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Well at least we know now what her other half is and the Draenei were on the planet at the same time as Orcs. Maybe some clan took some Draenei as prisoners and wanted to make Orc/Draenei troops like they did with the Ogrillon. Rolandius (talk - contr) 13:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

*sigh* Appendix 3 :( You want the Mok'Nathal. Also, given there aren't more orc-draenei half-breeds running around, I find that suggestion unlikely. --WarlockSoL (talk) 15:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

*Ahem*. Also, the Garona of the comic's picture looks nothing like a draenei. But then again, neither does Lantresor... But the latter can be attributed to laziness. Xavius, the Satyr Lord 16:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Of course, but that's only one other :P (when I said "more", I meant a lot more :P) Meanwhile, the Mok'Nathal have an entire village ;)--WarlockSoL (talk) 05:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Her face is somewhat draenei, especially those pupilless eyes. With the official confirmation, it's about time we delete this whole mess in "parentage" section, since we have an official statement. More official than Caydiem thinking it is so. Severin Andrews 16:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Just when you think the comic can't get any worse they manage to add in Garona and make her have a child. Leviathon (talk) 17:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

At least they haven't forgotten about her. And look in her hand: the same kama as she has in the promotional cinematic image. Hmm, kama, kama... Broken? Xavius, the Satyr Lord 18:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

All I know is that if the father ends up being Medivh or Khadgar I will know that the comic can indeed get worse :p Leviathon (talk) 02:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

get a grip leviathon if you don't like the comic just stop reading it and oh a let me ask this did you preferred that comic didn't answer garona's race and by the way why don't you like it the comic bad? --Manuel (talk) 03:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

And we care what you think why? This isn't a forum, take it somewhere else. Editorial comments only.Warthok Talk Contribs 04:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

but he gived his --Manuel (talk) 11:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I was talking to him. Had i been responding to you i would have indented it one further, like this one.Warthok Talk Contribs 11:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

ups sorry, --Manuel (talk) 18:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I have cleaned the mess up, I left the entire list of sources and tried to combine it with this new source then I added that the list is kept just for historical reasons :) Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 01:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)~ ~ i didn't have the chance to read it ye but it seems nice it is at least oganized good work BEnito :D --Manuel (talk) 11:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Seems Metzen hinted a bit that the father is Medivh in the new Blizzcast. Leviathon (talk) 23:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

i kinda vote for Llane being Me'dan's fsther then again Me'dan sounds like Medvih, --Manuel (talk) 10:58, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

i had to destroy some stuff in here it was going tather slow in here--Manuel (talk) 11:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Garona in WotLK?

So now thats shes back are we gonna be expecting her to appear in WotLK in like maybe patch 3.2? i mean in comic #18 it mentions someone being connected to the scourge. Looks like we will have to wait and see.--File:IconSmall Blue.gif Maelstrong 13:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

probably at some point, old heroes can't be kept away from the game unless if that would reveal information about things we shouldn't know. About the scourge infiltration, when u quest on northrends is made clear that every single group but the argent crusade have this problem. the alliance is controlled from inside on the same fashion as onixia was controlling the kingdon and the horde is even worst, they don't even have freedom to talk freely, terrible. about her son (cmon, everyone is talking about it) if he's son of medivh we can expect him t hold the spirit of sargeras or some part of it, that would be a little... troublesome.... Azahel (talk) 10:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)