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Is Thorim actually a Vry'kul?Edit

I had understood from the quest line and familial relationship with Loken that he is not a frost Vry'kul himself, he just looks like one. It seems like both Loken and Thorin are from something like a "Titan-lite" type species.

Of course, the Titans' habit of making a wide variety of similar creatures of various sizes and configurations though processes other than biological reproduction make questions of "what species is X?" kind of ambiguous. Vyzen2 (talk) 23:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

What I wonder is wether or not the Frost Vry'kul became what they are due to the Lich King's influence of if they were already Frost types prior to that. If the second true, I wonder how Sea, Frost and normal Vrykul are related and if they were made as they are by the Titans.
Only after I have these questions solved do I want to get in to an analysis of Thorim himself.

--Richeron [T | C] 20:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I would give the Vrykul of Brunnhildar_Village as evidence that the frostiness of the Frost Vrykul is not from the Lich king. They (at least if they are to be believed) stayed loyal to Thorim (while Valkyrion switched loyalties to the Lich king) but they are still frosties. I speculate that Thorim is either the source of the frostiness, or the Titans originally made the frosties and Thorim is an archetype. Vyzen2 (talk) 17:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Brunnhildar proves that not all of them are undead. They are just a type of vrykul that joined the Lich King. This page oddly combines lore in a way that makes it seem they are all the same.--SWM2448 22:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Brunnhildar vs. ValykrionEdit

I agree with Sandwichman that the characterization in the second paragraph is off. I do not think that Valkyrion vrykul were competing in the Hyldsmeet at all and that any vrykul who would want to compete would consider them traitors.

I interpreted the two populations in the storm peaks as:

Brunnhilar Village Vrykul: Loyal to Thorim. Compete in the Hyldsmeet (and I think Hyldnir is just a title for someone who is competing in the Hyldsmeet). The winner gets to hang out with Thorim (and since Thorim seems to be the only suitable non-slave male in the zone, I'm guessing all this "rule by Thorim's side" talk is just a euphemism for something else entirely).

Valkyrion Vrykul: Used to be Loyal to Thorim. Currently have replaced him with Arthas as their deity of choice. Do not compete in the Hyldsmeet. Don't have any particular inclination to visit Thorim. They themselves are not undead, but they aspire to a particular kind of undeath, specifically becoming Val'kyr.

I don't think there is any evidence that the goings on at Jotunheim have any particular significance to the frosties that they don't have to all other vrykul (the Jotunheim Vrykul don't seem to be frosties). I haven't done a good chunk of the quests in Icecrown, though, so I can't say too much specific. Vyzen2 (talk) 00:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

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