"I" iconAs per the recent race names vote at WoWWiki talk:Writing policy#Race name case, the correct race name spelling is "Forsaken" and not "forsaken"

Note: this race name is indeed capitalized -- Kirkburn (talk) 08:00, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

Are the Forsaken Evil or not?

Is there any explanation as to why the UD are not 'evil', simmiliar to the one for the BE? After doing their quests (Up to the Sepulcher as an UD and Tarren Mill as a BE) they do seem pretty 'black and white' evil. Saimdusan 00:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The Forsaken aren't evil. Most are traumatised by being under the lich kings controls,some even had to kill their own families. The Alliance's idea of mercy for the Forsaken,seen in the old Alterac valley quests,killing them and burning their hearts,doesn't help at all. Zarnks 23:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Horde and Forsaken Situation

I do not agree on the way the sutuation between the Horde and the forsaken is compared to the non agression packt between Hitler and Stalin. The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany did not intend to stand together against the west. In fact, Capitalists from the US and Britan sponsored the Nazis in order to smash the labour movement, and to form a war party against the Soviet Union. Hitler sighned a non agression packt with stalin to buy time, for the same reason Stalin sighned the packt.

The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany never had, and never intended to work together. The Facist Nazi party was sponsored by capitalists to smite the labour movement, and to go into war with the USSR. The Normal capitalist contries would not confront the SU head on, becouse of propaganist reasons. So they let the fashists to the dirty work. The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were eachothers biggest foes. And Nazi Germany was the Minon of the capitalist states to atack the enemy of the free market. however, as some warlock's minons do, the minon became out of conrtoll and atacked its master as well.

The fact that America and GB was turning against Nazi Germany was becouse the facists came out of conrtoll, and seemed to be not verry sucsessfull in distroying the Soviet Union. The "Allied" forces from the west waited untill the verry last moment to "liberate" europe, in the hope that Nazi germany ould distroy the SU. The war was already decidet on the east front, and the only reason America, Canada and GB went ashore in France was to make shure that the Soviet Union, while pushing back the Nazi's, would not annexate all Europe.

By the way, at the time of WWII, The soviet union under stalin was far from socialist or communist. In fact it was a degenerated workers' state, ruled by Proletairian Bonapartism.

OK, a lot of off topic perhaps, but I think its injust to leave this big mistake in the topic unexplained. The alliance between the forsaken and the horde can not be compared to the non agression packt of "Uncle Joe" and "Adolf". The Forsaken and the horde stand together in battle, the USSR and Nazi Germany only met eachother in battle as enemies.

-- Out of curiosity: Why is this article named "Forsaken" instead of "Undead"? Undead is the best name we can come up to describe the playable race itself, and it's also the race-name used in-game (technically they are dead Humans, I know). Forsaken is merely the name of the faction.

In that case it's same thing with the Trolls: Their faction-name is Darkspear tribe, but we still call their article and the creature itself "Troll", not "Darkspear". In my opinion it's very wrong to call the Undead race "Forsaken". - Odolwa 19:40, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

I'm not sure, but I think a comparison could be the Dranei. We call them the Dranei, not the Eredar. --Bendyr 16:01, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

-- Not really. Draenei are a race of their own. What we call Eredar are the demonic Eredar in the Burning Legion. Draenei share the same ancestry as them, but they are not one and the same. - Odolwa 21.25, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

-Something to note is that the term undead does not really refer to any specific race or creature. Undead is technically the catch-all for all sorts of things, like skeletons, wraiths, abominations, etc. Therefore, it's use in game as the name of the playable race seems somewhat misleading because it's a bit too generic in defining the race. It could be argued that the Forsaken should be considered a separate race because they share the same ancestry as the Scourge. While the physical distinction between the two may not be as great as between the Draenei and the Eredar, the motivation and evolution of a free will in the Forsaken certainly differentiate them. The same argument arises when considering Blood Elves versus Night Elves. Are they justified in being considered two different races when the only apparent physical difference is skin color?
-Xero 13:47, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Xero basically nailed why the article uses Forsaken instead of Undead. Because of the staggering variety of Undead in the game, there is a need to make a special case and specify. As for the USSR-Nazi Germany analogy, it would probably have been more prudent to list the USA-USSR alliance - both having a very firm common enemy (Which the USSR and Germany didn't), but disagreeing with each other's methods. However either way, the point the author was trying to make gets across to us.--Grid 12:02, 10 November 2006 (EST)

I think this article should be moved to Undead (Forsaken), with the actual "Undead" forwading to a Undead (disabiguation) page. It's much cleaner. It should be done with Troll as well (the Troll article is kinda messy). Saimdusan 06:51, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Why serve Sylvanas?

Really, it makes sense for the Undead that where raised by the Lich King, but what about the Undead that where raised by Sylvanas' apocatheries? Why do they serve her?

Once you arise the first thing the NPC asks you is something along the lines of "Oh good.. We thought you weren't going to make it, and even then we weren't sure if you'd be sound of mind."

The reasons for this could be that because of the Lich King's weakening, there needs to be a special process involved in culling Scourge undead and Forsaken undead alike. Also, it is suggested that if someone were to rise and were not of independent and sound thought, they would be immediately slain and burned.--Grid 11:58, 10 November 2006 (EST)

Well, what else are they going to do? They can't exactly go back to their former lives. If they splintered into different factions of free undead, they'd probably be wiped out. Sylvanas provides leadership and direction for the freed undead, not to mention safety. Also, all the Forsaken I've talked to are grateful to her for freeing them from the control of the Liche King, since everyone seems to agree being a rotting corpse and free is better then being a rotting corpse and enslaved by a suit of armor stuck in a block of ice.
Not all the Forsaken serve Sylvanas. Leonid Barthalomew the Revered, for example, was freed by the Dark Lady, but is not part of her organization, instead supporting the Argent Dawn.
Btw, I don't really see what that quote has to do with serving Sylvanas or not. Basically the quote says that the Forsaken's process for awakening the dead in search of more members is not perfect and sometimes fails, or creates a mindless monster. --Mikaka 22:38, 7 December 2006 (EST)
HAHA! Quote of the year: "...everyone seems to agree being a rotting corpse and free is better then being a rotting corpse and enslaved by a suit of armor stuck in a block of ice." :D --Varghedin 18:47, 28 December 2006 (CET)
It's no longer a suit of armor in a block of ice. It's a crazy death knight with a huge sword. Amro 18:11, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Whatever. Still everyone seems to agree being a rotting corpse and free is better then being a rotting corpse and enslaved by a crazy death knight with a huge sword who previously was a suit of armor stuck in a block of ice.   Sul'jin  talk  contribs 04:38, 18 January 2007 (EST)

Underwater Breathing Disambiguation

Question: Blizzard is not particularly awesome in their wording of abilities and spells involving percents. Does the racial underwater breathing trait mean undead can breath underwater three or four times as long?

It does. Personally, I think they shouldn't need to breathe, but then, they really shouldn't even be bouyant, for that matter. Bragus

Originally UD were pretty much what anyone would naturally assume about UD. They had no need to breathe, so they could remain underwater indefinately. They were completely immune to all Fear, Charm and Seduce effects -- so basically WotF was permanent. They were also considered Undead and not Humanoids, so Sap, Sheep, etc did not apply to them. They also spoke Common. This obviously led to alot of problems both for and against them. What we see in the game are compromises between lore and gampelay.--Grid 00:07, 21 December 2006 (EST)

They're classified as humanoids for the same reason that Acolytes, Necromancers, Death Knights, and Dreadlords were classified as Undead in Warcraft III. Even though they weren't really undead, they were classified as such for gameplay reasons. Airwave 03:14, 18 January 2007 (EST)

I think all demons where classified as UD. Atleast in RoC, that is. Saimdusan 06:55, 1 March 2007 (EST)

The "breath meter" is only for game limitations. The reason they can't survive is not lack of air, but the many microscopic cretures living in water tremendusly speed up their decay. Ever seen a corpse that has been in a pond for a week versus a regular dead body?--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 00:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

'Undead' warlock


The picture may say 'Undead' (due to it being from the outdated and useless website), but it is a Forsaken warlock that is shown. -- Kirkburn (talk) 12:37, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Well, Forsaken are a faction of Undead. When we see a Human Warlock, we don't say "Stormwind Warlock", but "Human Warlock". Same thing with Trolls, we say "Troll Priest", not "Darkspear Priest".
Forsaken = the faction, Undead = the race.--Odolwa 20:42, 28 December 2006 (EDT)
This is true, but as you can see from the background, the picture shows specifically a Forsaken, rather than any old Undead. The article is about the Forsaken, rather than the undead as a whole, so I feel it's more appropriate. -- Kirkburn (talk) 14:57, 28 December 2006 (EST)
A bit similar problem as with Trolls page, eh? (Trolls/Undead - Darkspear/Forsaken) Undead are undead, Scourge or Forsaken, doesn't matter. They're all the same, just in different factions, having different goals. It's a picture of an Undead Warlock, people just have to remember that she's a Forsaken-Undead Warlock, not Scourge-Undead Warlock, we just have to assume that most people are intelligent enough to find it out... --Sul'jin 17:41, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Race? Faction? Argh!

Ok, so usually we think of the Forsaken as a faction of undead. Most follow Sylvanas, although not all do, like Leonid Barthalomew the Revered. But what about Ambassador Malcin who looks like a Forsaken, but is in fact Scourge? Or Stalvan Mistmantle and Moroes who also have the forsaken model but appear to have nothing at all to do with either Forsaken or Scourge, they just happen to be undead in some form. Do they fit into Category:Forsaken or not? It feels terribly strange to write Category:Forsaken and Category:Scourge right underneath each other on an article, but putting them into the generic Category:Undead also makes me twitch. >< --Varghedin (talk · contr) 16:54, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Forsaken has two meanings. The Faction and a race. Yes its confusing :p... Those who do not follow Sylvannas are not technically Forsaken faction or race, as the race and faction are literally connected together at the hip.
The forsaken race and Faction includes only humans, or races of elven descent (half-elves, banshees, etc) and no one else. Any other undead that appear to look forsaken but are actually neutral or allied to other factions are actually, just "independent undead".
While the Royal Apothecary Society has allowed non-human or non-elven undead races into their ranks, those members are not actually true Forsaken.'
So as far as categorizing, someone like Leonid is an Category:Independent Undead, where as the other people you mentioned should only go under scourge.Baggins 16:59, 1 January 2007 (EST)
The thing is, not all Forsaken are... Forsaken either. Like Algernon. He lives in the Undercity, is on the Undercity faction, and basically follows all traits of being Forsaken.. except he looks like a zombie. There are others, two-three banshees and one bank wraith. I think the best thing is to put them in both categories, to specify that they aren't just any old forsaken, but that they also aren't any old banshee/zombie/wraith. Conversely, if you can say that something is Forsaken (faction) without being Forsaken (race), could not the opposite be true as well? So Leonid, while faction wise he's with the Argent Dawn, racially, he's still Forsaken. I mean, he's not a ghoul. He's not a zombie. He's not a wight. His race is... Forsaken. Sort of. Argh. --Varghedin (talk · contr) 17:22, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Sylvanas was the first banshee. I think of Forsaken as a faction rather than a race. The playable ones are humanoidish, but would the abominations in UC be considered Forsaken? Amro 18:21, 1 January 2007 (EST)

A ghoul is identical to any Forsaken. The difference is the Plague has taken grip of them tighter and transformed them more into mindless slaves. Algernon was probably one of few or many ghouls that was severed from the Lich King during his growing weakness when Illidan was attacking Icecrown.

Basically though all Forsaken are actually Independents. That's the entire point of the definition. They don't serve Sylvanas because she has control over them -- they serve her because she offers them a choice, and they choose to follow her. So there are a bunch of what you would call "Forsaken" looking models -- but I think is more accurate to say undead humans/elves -- who serve the Scourge, but because they are tied to the Lich King or willingly ally themselves with him. So in my perception being Forsaken is really much more of a political affiliation than a race.--Zexx 17:35, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Algernon is a Forsaken, even though he has the zombie graphic, due to the fact he kept his identity ;). Forsaken come in many forms, from Dark rangers, to humans, to banshees, etc. The important issue is that they are human or of elven descent. Baggins 17:37, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Forsaken (Race): any undead humans or high elves who are free of the Lich King's control. Free Crypt Fiends and Abominations probably don't count.
Forsaken (Faction): anyone who chooses to serve the Dark Lady and the Horde. Undeath is not always a prerequisite.
--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:41, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Another important issue is the term is used for what is essentially a mixing pot "nationality" that has created essentially a racial and cultural identity for themselves.
Its kind of like the term American, and I'm speaking of those from the US(I'm awhare that there are people in canada and mexico or below who take offense to the term). We are considered a nationality, but we are mixing pot of many cultures, forming what we calll the "American culture". American is our only form of identity, as we don't actually have any other term for our country. Baggins 17:37, 1 January 2007 (EST)
I would rather say that Forsaken are a faction, not a race - a faction of undead (and maybe some living) who are following Sylvanas Windrunner. She created the Forsaken (during events in W3:TFT), and thus all who follow her belong to that faction. There might be undead broken from the Scourge, or created by Apothecaries, but not following Sylvanas, and they don't belong to this faction.
Oh, and one more thing - if a model is named "forsaken" it doesn't have to mean that the race is named "forsaken" - the model name could be as well "undead" or "cookie_monster". --Sul'jin 17:52, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Well there literally is a "Forsaken race" according to the RPG, and its pretty specific to point out that to be that race you have to be human or elven and undead. Also there is an article on Worldofwarcraft.com that discusses this process as well. Any other races either considered "withered", or risen by necromantic means.Baggins 17:54, 1 January 2007 (EST)

...It is assumed that all forsaken are high elves or humans who underwent this process...[1] (APG 52)"With the exception of a few elves, all Forsaken are former humans. Even the Forsaken don't understand the process by which they are created. The leading theory involves the power of humans' spirits. Humans are perhaps the most stubborn race on Azeroth (what about dwarves I ask you?), and fear nothing. Some scholars agree that that this will to live extends even into the grave, thus explaining why most ghosts and wraiths are former humans. The unique nature of the Plaguelands, combined with human resolve, created the Forsaken, people who literally crawled from their graves simply becauce they don't want to die yet. Of course, no one really knows, but they like to pretend they do."-Brann Bronzebeard[2] (HPG 151)
"Through the course of his experimentations, Ner'zhul insured that the affliction would specifically target humans for "undeath". Though non-human races and creatures (and even the land itself) were susceptible to the plague, it was humanity in particular that Ner'zhul meant to scour from the world. As a result, infected flora and fauna reacted differently--diseased and decaying, but not truly undead, and not under the thrall of the Lich King.
Hence, while undead representatives certainly do exist among the ranks of the non-human races, these particular agents are examples of undead created through necromancy rather than the plague."[1]
-Baggins 18:09, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Ok, thanks for clarifying that for me. --Sul'jin 18:18, 1 January 2007 (EST)
"Sylvanas was the first banshee."
No the first banshees were night elf banshees created by the Great Sundering, that Ner'Zhul conscripted into his ranks in Northrend. It was from those banshees he learned how to create Sylvanas int he first place.Baggins 18:25, 1 January 2007 (EST)
"the abominations in UC be considered Forsaken?"
Nope not Forsaken, they are considered more constructs like Golems. They work for the Forsaken, but are not Forsaken. As its been stated the Forsaken race is specifically only human and a few high elves.Baggins 18:24, 1 January 2007 (EST)
From Sylvanas : Thus did Sylvanas Windrunner become the first of the banshees. Should it be updated? Amro 18:32, 1 January 2007 (EST)
It should probably be removed. There's a contradiction a few sentences later in the same article. Amro 18:32, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Change it to first of the high elven banshees and there probably isn't any problem.Baggins 18:39, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Where does it actuallty say that Forsaken is a race, and not just a faction? WoW in-game refer them as "Undead" as you know. I understand people being confused about this.--Odolwa 02:09, 2 January 2007 (EST)

The RPG mainly. To be fair, the full name of the race is actually "forsaken undead" its just often shortened to "forsaken" for ease of use. I'm pretty sure that they also lowercase it when discussing the "race", whereas the capitalization is the faction.Baggins 20:23, 1 January 2007 (EST)

They are referred to as "Undead" because WoW is about marketing and profits- only people who were paying attention to TFT would know what a Forsaken was, so they couldn't call them that. Only a fraction of WoW's subscribers have had Blizzard experience before, and only a fraction of those would have remembered that Sylvanas named her people the Forsaken. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:37, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Forsaken are Zombies. While they may not have the zombie *model* they are zombies. Well, all the playable ones and most NPCs anyway. According to Wc3, zombies are freshly risen from the plague who have not decended into true undeath yet (Ghouls). So zombies and ghouls are NOT the same thing. Saimdusan 07:02, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Incorrect city

Lordaeron's capital was called Capital City, not the City of Lordaeron. It appeared that way in both War2 and 3. Unless there is a retcon I am not aware of?--Zexx 17:35, 1 January 2007 (EST)

It was the capital city of Lordaeron. It appears as just "Lordaeron" on some maps, including the one in the WC2 manual.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:41, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Capital City, or Capital City of Lordaeron is also known as simply "Lordaeron", this was stated in Warcraft 3 manual as I recall. Its somewhat similar to how there was the Kingdom of Azeroth, nation of Azeroth, and Continent of Azeroth at one time.Baggins 17:46, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Azeroth also refers to the planet itself :P Amro 18:25, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Ah, okay. I've been recently replaying WC2 and 3 and on the load-up screen maps it simply said Capital City.--Zexx 18:12, 1 January 2007 (EST)

That's probably to avoid any confusion.Baggins 18:15, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Given that Lordaeron Kingdom no longer exists, "Capital City" probably doesn't make sense anymore. --Raze 05:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


According to the current Wiki-policy, "Forsaken" is to be spelled with a capital letter in the start. However, in Rise of the Horde, it's spelled with only lower-cases: "forsaken". Time to change the Wiki-policy maybe?--Odolwa 00:40, 1 January 2007 (EST)

I already brought this up on the race names threads. I think the decision is to keep it capitalized for now because it is the way Forsaken appears for both in-game content and majority of lore materials. This is Zexx, BTW. Why aren't my options to sig and such not appearing?

The "Forsaken" faction and forsaken race are pretty much tied at the hip. In the rpg both are used interchangeably. Whenever "Forsaken" is used it is referring to the faction, lowercase, "forsaken", is the race, however all that are part of the race are also part of the Faction. The faction is always human or elves. This is discussed in a discussion above.Baggins

racial characteristics duplicated

The racial characteristics are listed in full in both the gameplay section and the separate racial characteristics section. Since having the latter section (along with the reasoning behind the characteristics) is probably a good idea for standardization, you might want to consider removing the gameplay list.--Tls 09:40, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Template clash

I wanted to add {{Wikipedia|The Forsaken (Warcraft)}} to this article, but it collides with the "lang" template. Any suggestions? --Bendyr 15:26, 8 January 2007 (EST)

I'd advise leaving the lang template; I don't really undersand the point of the wikipedia template, as half the articles there just refer the reader back to us. But I'm Lore, not templates.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:22, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Additional background and WoW section

Both should deleted on the grounds that they do not actually have any point. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:07, 14 February 2007 (EST)

/agree. // Montagg (talk · contr) 20:33, 15 February 2007 (EST)
1 standard day for rebuttal, before extraction. -_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:10, 15 February 2007 (EST)
They do have a point, they give the player some idea for why the Forsaken are in the Horde with the "Additional Background" thing. Saimdusan 07:04, 1 March 2007 (EST)


What exactly are the Forsaken trying to do? Some info I find implies this "new plauge" is designed to wipe out everyone other sentinent race in existence (minus the forsaken) while other places imply it's meant only to be released in Northrend to kill off the scourge for good, can I get the correct answer? Hordesupporter 12:51, 17 February 2007 (EST)

I think that killing only the Scourge is their alibi, but killing the rest of the world is what they want to do as well. Or maybe only some UD want to kill all sentient races, while some want to destroy the Scourge only, while some are geniunly seeking a cure for Undeath.Saimdusan 07:06, 1 March 2007 (EST)


Not necessarily lore-related or even important, but does anyone have an explanation for the x-shaped straps seen on the Forsaken models in WoW? Super Bhaal 11:26, 7 March 2007 (EST)

From what i've seen, the x-strap is only on forsaken who do not have eyes. Hordesupporter 22:10, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Thank you. Super Bhaal 12:27, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Growing Old

I found an article Brann Bronzebeard wrote, or atleast thats what my sources say they got it from: "While technically immortal, some Forsaken exhibit signs of old age, losing their identities and eventually their sentience. I met a fellow who reminded me of a dying old human, huddled in his home in Deathknell. Feeble and scared, he complained about the cold growing within him, and how he was starting to forget who he was. A priest explained to me that this creature was losing his mind to the Scourge, and would eventually become a "mindless one" -- an unintelligent zombie. All Forsaken fear this process, as it means they revert to the Scourge's will and lose themselves to the Lich King and his dominance. As I turned, I saw the priest draw a knife and slowly advance to the man. Perhaps these guys do have mercy after all." If its true this should DEFINETLY be added. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FieryAxel (talkcontr).

Where did you find this? --Amro 17:50, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Its in the Horde Player's Guide. A book that has alot of info that still needs to be added, :).Baggins 10:41, 12 May 2007 (EDT)


I don't have the exact citation but an early forsaken priest says that the light and Shadow have both rejected the forsaken and they earn their priestly powers on their own. I think the forsaken who ends the quest is in Brill. Zarnks 22:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Ya, to the early forsaken they were without power. They had no access to the light or shadow. It has changed since then apparently, according to Horde Player's Guide (which takes place some time after the start of World of Warcraft, almost to the time of TBC).Baggins 03:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Forsaken Bones covered for censorship

[2] That as all. Is this worthy to get a mention? Zarnks 05:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Could we get more information on the Chinese censorship laws? Baggins 05:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't know all the details but showing bones is illegal in china,something about it disrespecting the dead. I hear the skeleton mobs were replaced with Forsaken. Zarnks 05:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Uh huh... Which is funny since culturally speaking bony undead is normal part of Chinese mythology... There is one legend of a chinese vampire which is essentially a floating head with intestines and spine hanging out... I have to say censorship is stupid, and probably another thing tied to Chinese communism in this case...Baggins 05:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Seems the Abominations were patched up as well. [3] Zarnks 05:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Like most video game censorship, I bet the players will probably just use modified versions of the game, that retain the original graphics.Baggins 05:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I always did find it wierd that every Forsaken ingame was missing the middle of his arms and legs. It actually would be pretty cool if it was a customization option Zarnks 05:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Sign your post please. Zarnks is there any pictures of the "Tombs" for deaths?Baggins 05:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the graves are left intact. [4]. Zarnks 05:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Instead of leaving bones when reseurected,a tombstone is left behind. Zarnks 05:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

According to comments on that article, it has nothing to do with their culture, or anything to do with "showing bones is illegal in china". Hearsay is very annoying :) Kirkburn talk contr 14:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes it is. The original article[5] is very vague, that's why I wanted direct quotes from actual law if it exists. Also how credible is the newsource that original reported this? Could the screenshots be part of a doctored hoax?Baggins 15:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
The article merely says it was toned down due to it being "scary". Nothing cultural, sounds more like a misguided attempt at "keeping children safe". Kirkburn talk contr 15:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Ya, well I'm actually more curious about the "Chinese censorship review" that they reportedly trying to "pass"... I mean what exactly is China trying to censor?Baggins 15:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
blood, gore, murder.. the usual kind of things subject to censorships. china just happen to have harsher censor laws and stricter guidelines, so they're trying to please the censorship to not let it get a "not good for any ages" or getting banned due to gore, etc. that's the usual approach at least, so that's my guess. Taurmindo | talk contr  15:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Anyone else see the irony in making the characters more human in the interest of censorship ... :) Kirkburn talk contr 16:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

No it true[6]. Does this deserve a mention in the article? Zarnks 19:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

That the Chinese gov disliked their look? Yes, I think we could probably have a short trivia-type note on it, without mentioning culture/laws etc, since we don't know enough about it. Kirkburn talk contr 20:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as all you people say that they blocked all the bones....waht did they do to lich models, such as Kel'Thuzad? Thanks. Stopa 12:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Kel'Thuzad now wears a scuba suit.

That should be an option...I like the "boneless" look better than the "LOL AIM FOR THE BONES" look. What's with the dead Pit Lord? --Super Bhaal 12:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

forsakens are evil coz their cruel and trying to make new plague.

Sup. --Super Bhaal 19:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

No such law exists in China. It's an urban myth propagated by ignorant white people thinking China is some mystical, reverent country in the Dreaming East, like the supposed "law" that bans media depicting violence against pandas and thus why panderans have not made it into the game so far. That's funny, because when I went to China and stepped inside a PC cafe in Changchun, there were kids killing plenty of pandaren brewmasters in DotA.

The7 are a private company, and they decided to cover up the bones as a preemptive measure before showing the product to the Chinese government's censorship board, but the Chinese censorship board didn't comment about the change. If THe7 decided not to change it and the board decided to censor it, it would most likely have to do with the game being team rated, and differing cultural standards of what is decent and acceptable to youth media rather than some bogus rumors about ancestor worship. --- Zexx 16:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

  1. ^ APG, 52
  2. ^ HPG, 151
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