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::Don't remind me. As I recall, the jury is still almost out on that one. Still, this image ''is'' better proof than those screenies. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 15:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 
::Don't remind me. As I recall, the jury is still almost out on that one. Still, this image ''is'' better proof than those screenies. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 15:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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Finally. Art of Horde owning Alliance. I'd say that's a strong argument for fangs. --- [[User:Zexx|Zexx]] 00:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

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Previous discussions moved to Talk:Draenei/Archive1. This archive is mostly early lore and symantic questions questions that have since been answered. --Ragestorm (talk · contr)

Walking style (READ ME)

Once and for all: draenei cannot walk digitigrade because they do not have digits (toes) on their feet. They are considered ungulates, specifically artiodactyls, unless someone clearly states that they are not mammals. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:18, 19 January 2007 (EST)

... I just feel dumber than I did before. :P But I know for a fact that they are mammals. Just take a look at one of the females. Would the above classifications hold true for tauren as well? --  Varghedin  talk / contribs 14:22, 19 January 2007 (EST)
Tauren would be artiodactyls as well, as far as I can tell. I would assume the Draenei are mammals - or very close to it. Once you get into lifeforms from other planets, it's a bit hard to make sure they classify in Terrestrial terms. For all I know, their skin could be composed of very small scales, or they could be closer to crustaceans. It would be safest to say that they are "humanoids that share many morphological traits of mammals, but that their exact classification is unclear". --SeiferTim 15:40, 19 January 2007 (EST)
I'm leaving the article the way it is, I just wanted to make a statement to the users who keep changing to "digitigrade". An artiodactyl is an hoofed animal whose weight is held on two toes, so the tauren and draenei both qualify. Horses or zebras, for example are not artiodactyl. Draenei hooves resemble those of a goat. As for draenei being mammalian, you can clearly see in Reign of Chaos that Archimonde's skin is scaly, but that might not mean anything.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:21, 19 January 2007 (EST)
They have hair, which means they can't be reptilian. And they are (most probably) endothermic "warm-blooded". Not to mention that only mammals have hooves. And besides all that, there's the undeniable presence of breasts. --User:Varghedin/Sig 19:59, 19 January 2007 (EST)
Maybe just "Humanoid" ? In WoW there are true and very powerful gods that designed their children. Intelligent design applies totally.--K ) (talk) 20:02, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Or we could try and give up on classifying an alien creature with specific Terran (heh) species terminology? They are neither mammals nor reptiles, but we can describe them (in the article) in terms of both. i.e. "they have mammalian qualities, such as..."  Kirkburn talk contr 20:08, 19 January 2007 (EST)

To summarize, any changes back to "digitigrade" will be justifiably reverted. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:24, 19 January 2007 (EST)
all a mamal is is an animal that has hair, brest feeds and gives live birth (not eggs) there definatly mamals unless they somhow they they dont do one of those which im pritty sure they fit all requirements. (i suck at spelling so... yah)user:stormrage1313666

Blue blood?

I'm not familiar with any of the novels, but I wasn't aware of the draenei having blue blood - during a couple of the in-game quests, in the draenei starting area, some of the blood elves refer to them as blue blooded, but it was used derogatively, like someone would use cold blooded for someone who is considered dispationate, or evil... --SeiferTim 10:41, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Uh, did you purposely miss my above comment? ;) It's mentioned many many times in Rise of the Horde, spattered all over the shop  Kirkburn talk contr 10:57, 23 January 2007 (EST)
Rise of the Horde describes their blue blood in tragic and gory detail. The blood elves are using the term "blue-blooded" in the same way that some people refer to European (specifically English) aristocracy, meaning the same thing as the phrases "above the salt", "at the upper end of the table" or "a cut above the rest". That it happens to be literally true is a happy coincidence. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 10:59, 23 January 2007 (EST)
Fair enough ;) I guess I'll have to read those books now. --SeiferTim 14:37, 23 January 2007 (EST)
I heartily recommend them! I'm onto the RPG books now.  Kirkburn talk contr 15:06, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Oh, gods, you've succumbed.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:48, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Scientificaly, we all have Blue Blood. It turns red when it touches oxygen. And it actully is clear when it is first "produced" in the heart. Acjpb 05:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I refer you to wikipedia:Blood#Color for a thorough debunking of that. We don't have blue blood, it's not clear, and not produced in the heart. If you remove all the cells or look at it under enough magnification, yes, it is transparent. Kirkburn talk contr 06:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Ermm our blood never had any chance to be Blue since we constantly have oxygen in our body & Red Blood cells are produced from the Bone Marrow, the Heart simply pumps it throughout the body system. About the Draenei blood being blue, I believe the novel (Rise of the Horde) mentioned it to have cobalt unlike ours (and Orcs, Drawves etc) which has iron thus resulting in the different colours. I can't imagine what Demon blood has to make it icky, gooey green.--Brashxon 06:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Green blood means it uses copper. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
not sure but i think our blood is red because of hemoglobin (or somthing like that, again i suck at spelling) but we allways have oxygen in our blood thats what its for as Brashxon said so unless you either dont need air of play the choking game a lot its probably red user:stormrage1313666

Draenei Racial Ability - Gift of the Naaru

The draenei's racial ability is called Gift of the Naaru, not Blessing of the Naaru. [1] --SeiferTim 11:19, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Sorry, wasn't paying full attention.. i thought the change was going the other way >_o; --User:Zeal/Sig 11:46, 26 January 2007 (EST)
Not a problem :) I hadn't even noticed that it was wrong until I started working on the draenei quests... stupid synonyms. --SeiferTim 11:49, 26 January 2007 (EST)

What weapon is this?

Draenei Paladin

A draenei Paladin

I know that discussion is reserved for discussion of information of the actual article, but I have not yet found an answer. Is this a weapon that has already been released? If so, what is it? (Sern 22:03, 31 January 2007 (EST));

I believe it's Hammer of the Naaru. --Maenos 22:12, 31 January 2007 (EST)


What is the armour set this draenei is wearing? Is it the same as the Draenei on the Burning Crusade box? If you could figure out what armour set this is let me know. Thanks

It's Justicar, the Paladin Tier 4. Also, don't forget to sign your comments. --Maenos 23:02, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Do u play WOW? If not maybe you can still answer this. Were do you get the Justicar set? how do i sign my coments just -- then my name?

You can acquire the pieces of Justicar by getting the correct tokens that drop from Karazhan, Gruul's Lair, and Magtheridon. Check out Tier 4. As to how to sign your comments, yeah, just do -- and then follow how I (and the others) type things out. --Maenos 19:55, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
Er, by that you mean type ~~~~, of course. Kirkburn talk contr 20:47, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
Actually, I meant type it out manually. Had no idea typing in ~~~~ did all that. Learn something new every day, heh. And Greg, check out Tier 5 --Maenos 22:46, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

ok thnaks alot. I've heard there is a tier 5 but i have never seen any if u have a link that i can look at them please link thanks -- Greg 9:08pm, 11 March 2007

thx for the tier 5 link they look awsome. anyone here now anything about rogues or for that matter all classes. if u can help me out i would like that thx. if u have MSN thats probably easier. mines do_you_know_me_cause_i_know_u@hotmail.com -- Greg 9:49, 17 march 2007

Accent

Which accent do they have? Especially females... Hirurg 02:28, 20 February 2007 (EST)


Whenever people ask these sort of things, I just say "it's a draenei/troll accent". If I had to wager a guess it probably inspired from Russian.--Zexx 13:11, 24 February 2007 (EST)

In the French version they no doubt have a Russian accent. And for the Troll resemblance, it's just because Draeneï are space Trolls =)--K ) (talk) 13:40, 24 February 2007 (EST)
I would say less Russian and more generally eastern European. I could point out about a half a dozen eastern European/former Soviet bloc countries that share cultural similarities to the draenei. // Montagg (talk · contr) 01:14, 25 February 2007 (EST)
Heh, being a Russian, I always thought they have German accent. Rowaasr13 07:07, 7 March 2007 (EST)
I'm German ;-) Its either Russian or Polish

LemonBaby 12 Feb 2007

Listen to some of their words. "Chronakai kristos" or something to that effect. It sounds like Greek, and the accent sounds like a northeastern Greek (I should know, plenty of people in my family sound that way). Omacron 23:48, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
And I'm Russian :). None of russians with either good pronunciation or bad accent I ever heard speaks English like this. I like female draenei phrases very much and when I copy her I have to emulate this accent, so no, there's no way it is Russian. And, I like Omacron's idea - it sounds interesting. Rowaasr13 06:50, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

"Battlecruiser online!" Ok, now...the captain in Blizzard's Starcraft was obviously an homage to Captain Gloval/Global from Robotech/Macross [2]. He is ethnically Russian. So we can extrapolate that the voice actor used in Starcraft was emulating Gloval's poor Russian accent, and the Blizzard voice actor (probably the same one...) was emulating the Battlecruiser captain's voice. Clear as mud? Ok. // Silus 08:50, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Funny Omacron, Im Greek too! :) But I dont really think they sound Greek at all. Well not necessarily, they have basically have the accents of all the Balkans races, and Russia. Though Chronakai kristos sounds Greek. Kind of like Kala kristuyano (Merry Christmas). Sorry I dont know how to spell it, I dont really know Greek too well yet. Thinking about it, Chronakai kristos sounds even more like Christos anesti (Happy Easter)Mr.X8 20:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC) Mr.X8 01:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh well, now you say it, many of them have greek names.--K ) (talk) 07:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't know they seem to have the whole "Hollywood gypsy accent and thing" going on, in some ways, vagabonds in space, :p...Baggins 07:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
If you listen closely there is an R on the end, mor of a "Chronakai kristor".--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 01:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
That doesn't mean anything. It could just be there accent. Being I am an tradtionist Catholic, it sounds very latin, and latin derives from greek. I would guess it kristo is a reference or pun to Christ, chronakai probably means be with you or praise. I am not quite sure, I don't know greek, and I am sure they wouldn't say any christian word. I am sure it is related though. Wikipedia says it is a mix between russian and persian, which makes sense, I can pick up both accents. Acjpb 06:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Well since we're talking about origins, thalassian is partly a Greek word. thalassa is Greek for the sea. And I never admitted they have Greek names because A.) Chronakai kristor is a greeting B.) It only sounds like it Mr.X8 03:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Draenei Shamanism

Under the "Culture" section, it is mentioned that "Recently, Shamanism has made an appearance among the draenei, in the teachings perpetuated by the Broken Shaman Nobundo, a member of Velen's inner circle." And yet in Rise of the Horde, wasn't it mentioned that there were draenei shaman in the hunting parties that were being attacked by the orcs? ..... --Davel 15:29, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Not that i recall. You're probablhy thinking about how it explains Orc Shamans are involved in the hunting parties attacking the Draenei. The Draenei only discovered Shamanism through Nobundo after they left Outland. --User:Zeal/Sig 15:41, 23 February 2007 (EST)
I just finished reading the novel, and the narrative very clearly described the draenei magic as being distinctly unlike that of the shaman. {Brawndo 17:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)}

Childhood's End

I wonder if the Draenei are based on the Overlords in the book CHildhood's end? They are these aliens that look like demons but are good

i think blizzard ripped them selves off in a way cuz i think they are based off the protoss from starcraft. if not they are at least very similar in many ways. also just cuz there on alliance do not mean there good (although not bad) user:stormrage1313666

Draenei female appearance

The Draenei females in this picture [3] looks much more impressive then the ones ingame. Do they have the forehead plate in the lore or is this just concept art? Zarnks 03:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

That's what Draenei females look like if you were to meet one. None of the in-game models look exactly like the real appearance. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

So this is like the elvish female trolls. Zarnks 21:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

???--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm talking about the female trolls looking like elves. Personally I would rather play as the female draenei in that picture rather then the dull ingame who look more night elves then draenei. Zarnks 05:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Proof Draenei & Trolls are related! I KNEW IT MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!--K ) (talk) 23:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
well im not sure where i read it or if it was fan fiction or what but it said that the night elves thousands of years ago were a tribe of nocturnal trolls who gained powers when they were warshiping at the well of eternity. they evolved over thousands of years to become night elves. it was on world of warcraft.com i think, but it does account for the simaler physical appearence. also in WC3 there were alot of trolls with shadow meld and things to that effect.user:stormrage1313666

found it on wow.com direct quote from blizzard"Little is known about the night elves' precise origins, for their race was formed so long ago that no hard evidence has surfaced to prove or invalidate this theory. All that is known for certain is that a tribe of nocturnal humanoids came to live on the shores of the first Well of Eternity, and the Well's cosmic energies changed them into the night elves we know today.

Certainly many trolls do believe that the humanoids who developed into the night elf race were trolls. The theory does have some credibility, for there is at least a superficial physical resemblance between trolls and night elves. Furthermore, the troll race dominated much of ancient Kalimdor--the only continent on Azeroth before the Great Sundering--long before the night elves came into power.

Nevertheless, many night elves find this theory preposterous and abhorrent. They are quick to point out that the first night elves began their rise to power by defeating a number of nearby troll tribes. As a consequence, the trolls came to fear and respect the might of their new rivals. The troll theory of night elf ancestry may have been a direct result of this early conflict. The trolls hated the night elves--a sentiment that persists to this day--and may have wished to marginalize the night elf race and its accomplishments. Also, attributing the night elf race with a troll heritage likely helped the trolls come to terms with their own shocking defeat.

Without additional data, there is little point in debating the merits of this controversial theory. No doubt it will remain a matter of contention for years to come." as for the dranei there decendants of eridar (idk the spelling) user:stormrage1313666

indirectly responsible for the orcs corruption

Overly long discussion moved to Talk:Draenei/Analysis.

Architecture

1: it is not "wild speculation" It is speculation and I noted as such. But my descriptions of the architecture styles are backed by numerous proofs from in-game.

  • Brown and black layers are fully visible in structures that are destroyed, as well as standing ones.
  • when sections of this material are broken, it resembles rock-like fractures. Since it is highly doubtfull that all dranei towns are CARVED from mountans (evidanced by the color of rock surrounding shatterath is compeltely diffrent from the color rock surrounding Telaar yet all draenai strucuters are identical); this suggests some sort of artifical rock substance that can be molded.
  • Inexplicable cystal points sticking out at angles that match the curvature of the wall they jut from suggests it is some kind of support beam. Also, these crystals can be seen at the inn in telar on the second floor, creating an X shape that spans the entire ceiling. This also sugesses its use as a support structure.
  • Cleavage in the middle of the individual compartments seen from the outside of buildings suggest that they are two identical walls that touch at this clevage point. This is further indicated when one views the inside of dranei structures, and there is not anywhere a wall connects directly with another wall withought being bridged by the ceiling.
  • there are no isolated rooms in draenei structures. Each is simply one large room with smaller rooms brancing off. THis indicates a stacking of compartments. This is also supported by the fact that Draenei structures are symetrical by compartment, but asymetrical as a whole.
  • The black portions of structures are always "under" the brown protions. This suggests it being needed as support.
  • the Brown portions are the only portions used to Bridge large gaps, example, the draenei forge, as well as pattios and decks that extend over cliffs. this suggests the brown portions are lighter. Also, the brown portions are those with the larger, deeper "scale" cuts, this indicates that it is an easier material to carve.
  • Instead of repairing damaged structures, inhabitants choose to Add on to them. This indiacates they are difficult to repair, even for the powerful narru of shatterath.

There are more points, but this outlines the basic ideas.

2: Why is spectualtion removed, instead of altered. There is a reason for the speculation note. MOST of what is on this wiki is infact speculation. Unless you can definitavelty prove anything.

Rampage29 2:14 am 7/21/07

It was removed because it is fan fiction. We allow speculation on certain matters - but not outright fan fiction. Kirkburn talk contr 15:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I fail to see how this is fiction, every idea I formulated Came from in-game elements, and I was kind enough to list some of those points above. You need to do far more removal on this wiki if you dont allow for logical deduction off of in-game information.

I admit that I may be wrong, but no one has listed points to prove as such, Instead of investigating the issue yourself, you are simply assuming its complete fiction. You are disrespecting my work and I do not appreciate that.

If it needs to be re-worded to display the logical facts better, than say so, or do so. Rampage29 13.13pm 7/21/07

It would need a major reword to talk about the idea or the deductions, not to talk about it as if it is fact. Speculation isn't an excuse to add fan fiction, it is for discussing things that are uncertain. Kirkburn talk contr 17:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
well this is a little off topic but not only do the dranei buildings but also the dranei themselves resemble in many ways the protoss from starcraft. they both have crystal like buildings, they have inverted legs with an extra joint, both have superior technology compaired to other races, and have simaler skin... kinda. it seams both races utilize crystals in many ways. just an observation user:stormrage1313666

Fangs?

The main Draenei page says that draenei lack the fangs of Eredar. Yet, in game, if you watch their faces up close (I've only played female draenei, so I'm not sure about the men) while they're telling a joke, for example, it appears that they have fangs. Has anyone else noticed this? --PallyEleana 23:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I've seen a couple of stills in draenei males that look like that- to my eyes, it looked like the "fangs" were the molars, seen because of the angle and how hard the target was laughing. Image resolution made it look like fangs. That could be what you're seeing, if you're looking straight at them. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I see. :) --PallyEleana 16:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Buildings

Though current in thier eredar draenei. Draenei buildings are very futiristic but in warcraft 3 and the website,their buildings are primitive. ""while the inquisitive draenei built crude cities within the world's towering cliffs and peaks[http://worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter3.html ]." Seems like I found a retcon. Zarnks 03:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The primitive cities still exist they are Broken draeni and Lost One draenei settlements.Baggins 03:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The website description is way before the Broken(lame) and lost ones came into existance. Zarnks 03:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Before you edit Baggins remember they were uncorrupted draenei at the time. In the new lore they only build crude villiages when they are broken and weren't described in Rise of the Horde. Zarnks 03:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

What futuristic buildings are you referring to? not Exodar I hope, that's a naaru building. Not sure but I think Draenei buildings are like Shattrath and Altar of Sha'tar, and they're not that futuristic. --Raze 04:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Shattrath is extremely fancy with lights,far from crude. Even their totems are futurisitic. If no one has any real issue with this I'm goig to add it to retcons. Zarnks 04:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Go to a Shattrah inn, they are quite oddly shaped and is possible to be described as crude. --Raze 04:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Oddly shaped does not equal crude. Crude means shoddily made or primitive. Zarnks 05:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

They look like they are made of clay, who knows whether it is primitive or not. The point is, there is not enough difference to be worth noting. --Raze 05:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Warcraft III and website are describing the draenei as seen in Warcraft III, the draenei Akama lead. Broken or Lost Ones either way their buildings are crude in comparison to the uncorrupted draenei, and they still have that more primitive building style. It hasn't changed for those kind of draenei.Baggins 05:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

"Draenor was as idyllic as it was vast. The noble orc clans roamed the open prairies and hunted for sport, while the inquisitive draenei built crude cities within the world's towering cliffs and peaks. " This was before the orcs were corrupted and before the broken and lost ones were created. It is specifically describing uncorrupted draenei. Their archeitecture is not crude at all,so its obviously a retcon. Zarnks 05:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Well now it depends on one's point of view.They do look a bit crude from my point of view(and others too)......also if you watch from afar Shatrath or fly over it with a flying mount you kinda get the ideea that it has crude arhitecture .........so i don't think it's a retcon(Marakanis)


Blue blood

That bit about the Draenei having blue blood as a result of cobalt is utter trash and entirely unfactual. First, iron ions in the oxidation state they can be found in the blood in (2+) is black or dark green, not red. Second of all, the color comes from the coordination complex of heme binding to iron.

Organisms that do have blue blood, such as certain arthropods, obtain the color from the copper-containing hemocyanin, which may or may not be the oxygen transporter used by Draenei.Sb27441X

I don't even think there is cobalt in WoW or the Warcaft universe Mr.X8 03:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure cobalt has an obscure mention or two, but that's irrelevant.Baggins 04:07, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Given that most of the same physical and chemical laws apply, it's safe to assume that cobalt at least exists. I very much doubt that that these races don't' live in a nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere, and water is still made with two hydrogen molecules to an oxygen molecule. So yes, cobalt would exist in the warcraft universe, though as we've now been informed, it may not be the oxygen-binding agent in draenei blood. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I bet right now with all the problems at Brewfest, the new expansion coming, and all the other stuff, cobalt is probably the last thing on their minds. Mr.X8 02:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I think that the line in the article was speculation by users. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Clear and undeniable proof they have fangs.

[4] Zarnks 23:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

That is certainly official, but dipictions vary. Anyone remember the confusion about protoss chins?--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 01:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Don't remind me. As I recall, the jury is still almost out on that one. Still, this image is better proof than those screenies. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 15:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Finally. Art of Horde owning Alliance. I'd say that's a strong argument for fangs. --- Zexx 00:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

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