Talk: Demon hunter

gnome demon hunter?

Gnome Demon Hunter?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bas (talk · contr).

LOL--SWM24 48 16:35, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

lol, where did you find that? Mr.X8 Talk Contribs

It's just fan art --Bas 20:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Not sure WoW Model Viewer is considered fan art but im pretty sure that was done in WMV Cabeza

Whats WMV? And can it do stuff th model viewer can't? Mr.X8 06:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

WMV is short for WoW Model Viewer... Cabeza

Oh, I feel stupid now Mr.X8 17:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

That picture is VERY disturbing...--Invin Dranoel 10:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

why? Mr.X8 03:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Well watt can i say, a gnome deamon hunter, gnomes can be Warlocks, Rogues or Warriors wich is the combination for a Deamon Hunter, anyway i heard of Gnome Death knights soo it no longer surprises me :P --My life for Aiur (talk) 18:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Demon Hunter races

I have 2 questions about Demon Hunters. One) If there are Blood and Night Elf Demon Hunters, are there High Elf ones. Two) Do Demon hunters summon pets like regular hunters and Rangers can? (Mr.X8 03:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC))

mabye they are like a cross between Hunters and Warlocks, so they summon demonic beasts, like helboars or darkhounds.--Truckman1 22:48, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

1.) There theoreticly could be if someone like Illidan taught them, But the demonic energies involved would make a high elf blood elf-esque. No high-elf ones are known to exist, they were all NEs until Illidan taught some of his blood elf followers the art. 2.) Not really, I have not read/seen anything. The RPG may say somthing... but it is unlikely.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sandwichman2448 (talk · contr).

I've typed up everything hte RPG has to say on the subject, and its limited ot blood elves, and night elves, and apparently a few humans (APG, has a pic of a human demon hunter as an example). While they are unheard of, apparently any race could be taught. The main problem with a high elf becoming one, is that a night eld would have to set their differences aside to train the high elf, which is very unlikel considering the mistrust that night elves have for them. While a high elf that sides with a blood elf to learn how to become a demon hunter, might as well be a blood elf themselves (that is are essentially training with traiters to the Alliance). The act of becoming a demon hunter however shouldn't automatically turn a high elf into a "blood elf" physically.Baggins 23:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Demon Hunters really don't have any connection to WoW's Hunter class, and are more like Rogues than anything else you could really compare them to. They generally don't seem to use pets. Loramus in Azshara seems to be the sole exception, and has several Fel Hunters (four, I believe) as pets. Altruis in Nagrand has a Netherdrake mount, but I don't think that counts. Suzaku 02:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

In the rpg not all hunters have pets, :). Druids in warcraft III used to have pets ;). Most of the time classes don't fit exactly into World of Warcraft's version of the classes, as there are variations.Baggins 19:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thing is NO there could not be a high elvan demon hunter, not only because they wouldn't have access to such ideals, and even if they did, High Elves shun dark magics of all kinds, and the very thought of making pact with darkness, such as would be needed for a high elf to become a demon hunter, would sicken a high elf to his/her core, and also high elves have never and still never practice dark magics, such pretty much removes the possibility of a demon hunter of the usual sort to come to being in High elf society.-Feldador, 2007

Ok first of all dude, its elven, not elvan. And second of all, there have been High Elf warlocks and necromancers, so they could become demon hunters. Just see Malicia, and read like one of the paragraphs, and it says before the High Elven warlocks became Blood Elves, there were High Elf warlocks. Mr.X8 06:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, aren't you smart idc, how exactly it spelled you know what I'm saying so dun bug me about it, and there's a big difference between warlocks and Demon hunters, a very big difference. Warlocks use demonic powers and magic, and are typically, evil due to the fact the whole reason they became warlocks was because of their lust for power, and warlocks SIDE with demons not hunt them. And I know what you might say to that, "What about Illidan?" what about him? He was a slightly different sort of demon hunter, he had delved deeper into demonic powers than any other demon hunter could hope, and he was a sorcer anyway which are very power hungry by nature. and as fer malacia and company... she sprouted up after silvermoon was destroyed... and those sided with the lich king or demons, that is counter to a demon hunter. Sorry dude nice argument but HE demon hunter is still a no no. Kenneth Koubek 23:58, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Shut up, and how would you know, and besides I don't care what you think, I care about what the administrators and people with proof think. And now when I read what you had to say, Illidan didn't come to midn at all. And it's not a "no no". And if you supposdely know so much about all this, how come you can't spell Elven right? Mr.X8 02:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah seems you've lost the argument. You're already getting rude, defensive and aggressive with your words. If you didn't care what I thought you wouldn't od responded to my post at all haha. And what I say IS proof I have proof read warcraft lore from Wc3 and wc1 and 2 then read lore from both Blizzard approved guides and then the forums you'll see what I posted somewhere in those sources. Administrators are people just like me, they find their information I think at leaste similar ways. And I only put that point about Illidan DID come to mind you don't need to make a big deal if he didn't come to mind. It is a "no no" because so far my argument remains sound and you're already telling me to shuttup and being illogical with your words. And reason I spell Elven as "elvan" sometimes is because I see it spelled that way sometimes and I get confused.This page is for rartional discussion, not bickering, take your angry temper somewhere else where it's appropriate please.Kenneth Koubek 22:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Blood elves can become demon hunters - just look at Varedis and the rest of the ilk in the Ruins of Karabor, not to mention Leotheras the Blind in SSC. These elves are demon hunters because Kael made a pact with Illidan. In the quest line which ends with Varedis's death, it's explained by Altruis the Sufferer that Illidan rewarded Kael for his service by allowing him to send five blood elves to train as demon hunters - one died, three went crazy, and Varedis succeeded. After his success, many more blood elves went over to that side and became trainees. If you look at some of the things Leotheras says during the fight with him, however, it seems like blood elves may not be quite as successful as Illidan and Kael had originally hoped... it seems almost more like he's posessed than using the powers of his own free will. I hope this makes sense. - Aladara 22:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it seems you've lost, you have no proof, your counter strikes are weak, and you can't even spell elven. And if they can become warlocks and necromancers, they can become demon hunters. Also if administrators are just like you, why haven't they appointed you to be one? haha Mr.X8 22:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

From the High elf article: Character Classes Ranger, Hunter, Mage, Priest, Warrior, Druid, Paladin, Wizard, sorcerer. If there were solid proof they could become demon hunters, I would think someone would have edited the page to say so by now... but maybe not. Why don't you ask Ragestorm or another bookkeeper? If anyone would know, it'd be them. - Aladara 23:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually Feldaldor, we were both right. A high Elf can be taught to become a demon hunter, but he would turn into a Blood Elf at the end. So for the part that I was wrong about, I apologize :) Mr.X8 17:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Let me point out just because a high elf could hypothetically be taught the way of the demon hunter, per Alliance Player Guide rules that demon hunters can come from "any" race, doesn't mean that its actually happened yet. So if the question is "are there high elf demon hunters" the answer would probably either be "no", or "unknown". In anycase any class that would have high elves physically feeding on or utilizing fel energy would start the high elf down the road evolving towards the physical changes of blood elves as stated in the RPG (paler or ruddier skin, and green fel glowing eyes), so they would cease being "high elves" physically.Baggins 17:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Come on Baggins, just let me be right, :) Mr.X8 00:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually it seems you've missed the point of the discussion, it's not about right or wrong, it's about what seems to be the truth. Also... my counter strikes aren't weak... and I'm not even sending counter "strike" I am giving good opposing arguments though, this is a rational argument or was, and when you start getting hostile and telling me to shuttup and telling me you don't care what I think you are no longer being rational and assertive about this, thus you have lost the argument... and uh I CAN spell elven I just didn't know the correct spelling because of how I've seen it spelled in different ways, everyone makes spelling errors and when you turn into a grammar police officer you're just making yourself look spiteful. And look... proof comes in different forms... and if you actually read my post you would've understood I HAVE proof. And um I would sign up to be an admin if I could, but I don't know how, and also, when I said admins are just like me I'm saying just as much that admins are like you to, admins generally have the same devices to find information as you and I do. Now as for your comment on how if a high elf could become a necro and a lock he could also become a DH... that's an assumption and isn't backed with good proof itself. Becoming a warlock and necro is easy, you just need to betray the high elves and join another side. This isn't true for DH's. Dh's make a pact with darkness to fight the very dark forces that necro's and locks join, well, HE ones at leaste. And because of High elvan hatred of dark magics, if a high elf DH can't join the dark forces he's sworn to fight, he stays in HE society, which would reject him/her, and possibly consider him a traitor and execute him, so either this or he/she'd have to join another force, and that's probably gonna be the horde or Illidan's forces. This would eventually just end up with the high elf turning physically blood elven.In other words you can't have a HE DH because they become BE just as you said Mr.X, the question was, can there be A HE DH, and if a HE turns BE if he is exposed to Fel magics and even more, joins the horde or the BE's with Illidan, that means there can't be one.Oh, Alador.. I know blood elves can become DH's... this discussion so far has been arguing the point whether a high elf is or can be a DH, I know and believe that a BE can be a DH. Btw Baggins do BE's really have pale skin? I always thought HE's were paler than BE's.Kenneth Koubek 02:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Ya according to Monster Guide, pale blood elves are paler than even high elves. So basically what you get are high elves look paler than the ruddy blood elves, and pale blood elves look paler than high elves.Baggins 02:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Wait a minute, this whole arguement was about if they exist? No I know they don't, I was just saying hypothetically they could become ones since every race can hypothetically become any class. Mr.X8 20:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, RPG rule wise, there are classes that are restricted to only certain races, and races that restricted from certain classes. In other words not all races can be all classes (if I'm being clear?).Baggins 00:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion I would say no, they cannot - a high elf working with demonic energy is automatically transformed by that energy into a blood elf. - Aladara 03:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't say automatically, it takes time. For a while blood elves and high elves were known to be physically identical, and only different by culture. Its only recently that they have begun showing physical differences.Baggins 03:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree it's not automatic physically. But a high elf that uses fel magic is forsaken by his people and loses his heritage. And even if that weren't the case, just because the elf starts out high elven when he becomes a warlock, or demon hunter he ends up turning blood elven. That in itself makes a high elven demon hunter kinda a goofy concept.Kenneth Koubek 22:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Besides from a cultural stand point, the form of vengeance in which demon hunters live, and is their creed, is already closer to blood elf culture than it is to high elf culture. That is the high elf would be essentially walking down the road to agreeing and joining the blood elves's culture. So they'd likely end up in the end both blood elf physically and blood elf culturally.Baggins 22:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Mm, I worded that poorly I'm afraid - what I meant was that they would no longer be classified as a high elf. Also, I thought that it had only been five or so years since the fall of Quel'thalas in the lore timeline... didn't Kael still have green eyes in WC3? Were his eyes originally blue, or were they always green? - Aladara 22:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Kael, had white pupiless eyes in WC3 actually. Ya they probably wouldn't be classified as high elfs in todays belief systems, even if the individual believed himself to be a high elf, just because he consorted with blood elves, or took on what were believed to be blood elf powers, he'd be lumped into blood elves by the rest of society, if he liked it or not. If it had happened before high elves first started calling themselves blood elves (sometime before TFT), society would just considered him an evil high elf.Baggins 22:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

As stated by "D&D - Sword & Sorcery" The classes are as following: Kaldorei, Sin'dorei and humans. I thhats fairly clear, but I see no reason for any other class to -not- be included. Its not like you can't hunt demons, just you might, or wont have enough life-time to gain a great enough power... Double_Fury

Gender

I've been curious about this since seeing Alandien in the Ruins of Karabor. She is the only female demon hunter I've ever seen or heard of, yet there's artwork on the demon hunter page of females... are they just incredibly rare, or do demon hunters discourage females from joining their ranks? There are no female blood elf initiates, either. - Aladara 16:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Response:

Haha, THAT, Aladara, is due to elvan culture. In night elvan society, the only reason a male became a demon hunter, is because of the horrible confrontations night elves had with demons and their ilk, and with social criticism demon hunters faced in night elvan society, and the fact that night elvan females either lived the normal life of a citizen, or joined the Sentinals with Tyrande, female night elvan DH's very rare, this social bias was also probably strengthened by the slaughter of the night elf coastal villagers at the hands of the naga who Illidan had brough up as his minions. As for Blood elves, BE's spawn from high elves, who despised all dark magics, no matter how it's used. So that in itself probably made becoming a demon hunter at first, dificult, partly because until recently, dealing with fel magics was forbidden. Also on the that note, because of generations of hatred for dark magics and, putting into consideration the time of the oroginal high elves' departure from Kalimdor, the way of the demon hunter wasn't around soon enough for the idea of a demon hunter to be passed on to high elves. Because of this, blood elves could've only learned demon hunter tradition through Illidan, who could only be accessed in Outland, and unfortunately, at leate two thirds of the blood elf population are still in Silvermoon, thus further dwindling the very possibility for a blood elf to be introduced to the Demon Hunter tradition. And lastly, blood elves are, as everyone knows, very few, so there of course will be little blood elves to become a demon hunter. Lol I hope all this answers your question Aladara xD.-Feldaldor, 2007

Well...the thing is...how many female warriors have you actually seen in the RL history?:P Stöpa^(talk) 11:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Tons! It depends on what culture you look at, but many many many groups allow women to be warriors IRL. Check out the story of Boudicca sometime - that's a neat one. As far as in-game goes, I've found nothing at all lore-wise to answer my question... but Feldaldor's explanation makes sense to a point. - Aladara 14:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Demon Hunter Class??

Ok, so with WoW:Wrath of The Lich King, a hero from warcraft III, the Deathknight, is gonna be introduced to WoW. But what I'm wondering is.... will wow possibly introduce Demon Hunter as a hero class into WoW as well?(I certainly hope so, demon hunters rock in my book!! Much cooler than a necro death knight -_-.) -Feldosol, 2007

I totally agree! Demon Hunter rocks compared to Death Knight... but it kinda feels awkward if they released it after WotLK since they already introduced Illidan as a Raid Boss. Well, I hope they introduce it anyways, better late then never.--Brashxon 11:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Their boss died so why not change sides to the Horde or Alliance and train people?--SWM24 48 22:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

If they release the maelstrom as an expansion, with Queen Azshera, I can see the Demon Hunter Lore being expanded on a bit due to the high amounts of Night Elf history, making a Demon Hunter hero class a relevant idea again.

A necro knight is different then a Death Knight I think Mr.X8 22:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Not really, "necro" just means death. Though if anything they just have weaker skills than the average Death Knight. They are probably Death Knights in training. Both are part of the Death Knight wing where Death Knights are trained.Baggins 22:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The Demon hunter is one of my favorite classes, BUT, it's highly unlikely because

A.) They never wear chest armor B.)Most only wear cloth leggings, Blizz said it's rare or them to wear mail or plate C.)What would it be? A tank, DPS, CC? Mr.X8 01:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

A cloth melee DPS would be interesting, and seems to be the best fit. Though metamorphis would give range DPS. Demon Hunters also had magic spells in WC3 (Mana burn, Immolate), so perhaps a mana bar. -- Raze 02:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, so i had this idea...First, Illidan Stormrage, the first demon hunter ever, was a very good sorcerer, as the lore tells. So Demon hunters are actually more like warlocks, not rogues as many people think. I mean, they get corrupted, like warlocks might etc. They are basically a hybrid ranged DD/melee DPS probably. Just an idea tho.

Peace, Stöpa^(talk) 11:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Well looks like I was proven wrong, they could feasibly be a class after all. Mr.X8 01:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Demon Hunter would be an awesome class. Demon Hunter 4:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Would be great class.. different talent trees for different demons absorbed, and the start quests are absorbing the demons themselves, Chest Armor is not unheard of, just unlikely however it could be fixed by giving the Demon Hunters 4 trinket slots and 4 ring slots. For the rest cloth armor would be the best, making it a casting Melee class, spell dmg for metamorph aswell CaiuNariz15:03 6 February 2008

I think that the best time to introduce Demon Hunters would have been with The Burning Crusade expansion.--Johnl (talk) 19:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Demon Hunters are one of my two favorite lore classes of all time, up there with druids. I would love to see them as a playable class. Every ten levels, Demon Hunters could go on a class-specific quest to get their curved warblades, if they so chose. Demon hunters would use a mana bar, and would mainly use magic to increase their melee dps. Of course they would have some special melee moves, as a real demon hunter inevitably would, but would generally use mana to increase their damage. They would not be flat-out casters, but would definitely have a few spells with a range of, say, 20 yards, such as mana burn. If implemented, they should also be able to track demons and undead, as well as have increased damage and a mana-destroying attack vs these enemies(or something similar to that, as demon hunters drain the energies of demons and channel it through their weapons). While it remains true that it would have been best to introduce demon hunters as playable in The Burning Crusade, we must remember that there are many of them, both Human and Night Elf, helping to guard Mt. Hyjal and Nordrassil. I think it likely that the next expansion will be an Emerald Dream one(since the Mt. Hyjal zone hasn't been opened yet, and a Great Sea expansion doesn't seem like it would work too well), so Blizzard could quite easily fit Demon Hunters in by introducing them as agents of the Cenarion circle or simply devoted to protecting the world tree. For Horde characters, perhaps some Blood Elf DHs from the black temple could defect from the Illidari ranks, and offer training. Yeah, it's sketchy, but the BC has already flown, and an emerald dream expansion would offer a better opportunity for Demon Hunters than anything else I can think of. Both Tauren and Night Elf druids are connected to the emralad dream, so calling upon demon hunters to combat the Nightmare could certainly work for the Horde and Alliance. I'm not completely sure that the Nightmare sovereign is demonic(have we established the culprit as an Old God?), but it is dark corruption, fel or shadow-like, so it would be good for Demon Hunters to answer the call for battle against those forces that would seek to despoil the natural world. This is a long post, but I must give my thoughts. --Mesethusela (talk) 06:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Weapons

In the weapons section of thepage it says demon hunters generally wield twin blades like Illidan's,but in the Black Temple the demon hunter of the Illidari Council wields 2 daggers.I think you should include that at least one of them don't qield twin blades(Marakanis)

The guy you're thinking about, Veras Darkshadow is listed as a rogue. Wheres he info saying he's a Demon Hunter? Mr.X8 01:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Good point. He doesn't metamorphosise either. -- Raze 02:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Wait, this page lists him as a DH, we should get rid of that. I mean he doesn't metamorphosise and he doesn't use the DH's blades. Mr.X8 15:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Whoever removed Veras Darkshadow thank you Mr.X8 03:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Granted [1], she doesn't seem to use the standard demon hunter gear.Baggins 03:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the only reason someone listed him as one is because he's wearing a kilt.Mr.X8 17:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Demon hunters are not exclusive to the warglaives, nor are the warglaives exclusive to demon hunters. They're merely the most common weapons we've seen for DH's. Tharion 06:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

OK... That still doesn't make him a Demon Hunter. Mr.X8 Talk Contribs

...? I never said he was. I think it's pretty well stated above that there's no explicit proof that he is one. All he's got is a kilt and runes. No blindfold, no seemingly DH abilities... unless somehow a member of Illidari council is a DH in training, it's doubtful that he is. Tharion 05:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone added the BE supposed demon hunter pic again, should I remove it? Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 01:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, your all very -exact- on what a demon hunter arn't you all... Must be able to morph and have glavies... Kinda like saying your not a cop without a gun and donuts. And of cause he isn't listed as a demon hunter, last I checked there isn't a demon hunter class- Duh! BTW, noticed the makins on his chest... But then, acording to the DnD books, -most- elves have markings. So I'll leave you all to your sterotypes. Double Fury

Daggers are still bladed weapons, so technically he was wielding twin blades. Jormungand01 (talk) 16:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Pants

Most of the Illidan artwork (and Illidan in BT), have him wearing pants. All other demon hunters in wear a kilt. Is it just a matter choice, or is it make him look special Mr.X8 Talk Contribs

My guess is because he commonly wore them before his transformation... look at him in WC3, and I believe the War of the Ancients trilogy also talks about his appearance fairly often. I'm not sure he'd have quite the same menacing effect in a kilt, either. - Aladara 04:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Illidan wore samurai styled pants (I forget their technical name). They were very baggy and are mistaken for a skirt or long kilt at a quick glance. They fit that image very well. WoW, due to the way the models and textures are done, have no baggy pants like that. As such, kilts were used as the closest approximation with Loramus, and have since propagated to other DH's. You can see similar armor style changes to accomodate WoW's model styles in other heroic characters like Maiev_Shadowsong and Malfurion_Stormrage .Tharion 06:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)Tharion

All demon hunters wore the same pants in Warcraft III, though.Baggins 08:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Nothing more than a sterotype. Some times I wonder if this is just a debate on the general idea od demon hunters, or a discussion and collection the social and cultral aspect of the group. Some wore pants, others likes the kilts. Just cause a game has it, only shows that blizz- yet again- is lazy... Its the same deal with weapon choices. Double Fury

Demonic Evolution

I noted that Illidan's hybrid form is drastically different from that of the Demon Hunter's eventual appearance from Demonic Growth, which led me to wonder. For one, Demon Hunters in their empowered form are said to have "non-functional wings" and also are not so much referred to as hybrids in the way Illidan himself is. Does that mean Illidan's Demon Form is more akin to that of the Fel-Sworn? Or is he still more like the Demon Hunters? Cause I'm confused.

If memory serves, Illidan gained his current form after drinking from the skull of Gul'dan. So the form we see him in now is ... permanent. Back prior to this change (in Warcraft 3), Illidan's demonform was like any other that we've seen in the games (the dark dreadlord styled form). Tharion 06:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)Tharion

Demonic growth? Do you mean "metamorphosis"? If so actually that looks almost exactly the same as Illidan's demonic form in Warcraft III: Rain of Chaos, IIRC. Only difference is once Illidan drank from the skull he became permanantly stuck in that form. In TFT instead of being black, Illidan received a full textured skin.

Interesting enough according to the RPG all demon hunters ultimately and permanently transform into demonic entities at some point. However the types of mutations vary per individuals.Baggins 08:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

That's what I mean. They do eventually mutate into demonic entities, but I got to reading and Illidan's current form seems closer to that of a Fel-Sworn than what the Demon Hunters become over time.

1.) Illidan has functional wings. Demon Hunters upon their evolution have nonfunctional wings.

2.) While Illidan does resemble a demon form of a Demon Hunter, he still uses Metamorphosis; the only difference is he only grows in size, turns black, and his markings glow. In TFT, he metamorphosised the same way any other Demon Hunter did.

I'm asking cause I figure if Demon Hunters ever became playable, it'd be cool if one could obtain a hybrid form like Illidan's that unlike Metamorphosis is able to maintained until cancelled or something. (Prolly wouldn't be permanent for a number of reasons.)

I'm ont sure I'd say he's like a "fel-sworn" exactly. Even Fel-Sworn wings are generally relatively useless (although they can grown in effectiveness). Of course not all fel sworn even have wings. Most importantly Fel-sworn are servents of the burning legion, and are slaves to a demonic will. Illidan being "enslaved" is questionable. He seems to have his own free will, and its also stated that he is an independent entity infact; "Not all demons are part of the Legion, as Illidan Stormrage can attest..."-Warcraft Encyclopedia. Which definitely seems to go contrary to what a "fel-sworn" is. To be honest Illidan has nevery really sworn himself to anyone, even when Kil'Jaeden had some control over him.Baggins 01:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

People seem to confuse Illidan from clasical demon hunters. Illidan is some what more demon than not, and theres masses of evidence to prove this. To talk of the bodily deformations of demon hunters, you must understand that it happens -very- slowly and that its nothing more than a physical apperance. To include Illidans... Insanity as such, is because of what hes done to himself, after all he was a sorceror(sp) which dictated how he slowly manifested into what he is now. The classical demon hunters, have little to do with the high use and corrupting magic that warlocks use. Insted they are submitted physicaly to its corruption, so really they're only being physicaly scarred by the demnos effects.Double_Fury 18:01, 12 January 2008

But Illidan's transformation was rather quick, from what I remember. In Warcraft III standard, he was the template for other demon hunter heroes (and thus, just a night elven demon hunter). It was upon consuming / drinking from the skull of Gul'dan that he transformed into what's seen today (his hybrid demonform). And that's also what caused Malfurion to become even more pissed and such.Tharion 07:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, good point. That is instantly what makes Illidan -difrent-. He gave in, "Magic is; Power, addictive, corrupting and attracts the legion like flys to honey" And your also using a computer game's template, from what I have witnessed, Blizzard is a consistant lazy gaming company. I doubt they would have made several minor changes just for Illidan, if you hadn't noticed, they double up alot. But that has nothing to do with it. The demon or shadow-form, is simply allowing the demonic embrace the hunters are imbuned with take over. I'm just assuming, but this applies to what I said before and will eventually corrupt their physical form, it gives them power. So, I'm not sure what people are ranting about, if you spent time to read over the large masses of info. you can find what your looking for -_- ;; Double_Fury

Illidan did not drink from Gul'dans' skull, he "consumed" it, or absorbed it's powers. Satyrs were once night elves, but were twisted by demonic magics into their present states. How is this different from illidan? He also has wings. This is because he was already a Demon Hunter when the magics transformed him, was already infused with demonic essence. That is why his case is unique. Notice that word: unique. I will not define Illidan as closer to an advanced demon hunter or a fel-sworn. He is a Demon Hunter satyr with wings. With normal demon hunters, the demonic essence bound within them gradually makes them physically more demonic. Clawed feet and hands, black or burning blood, fiery eyes, non-functional wings, tough, demonic skin, a deep, rumbling voice, horns of varying sizes, eredar-like tail, etc. I was never informed of Illidan trapping demonic essence within himself, but he is a demon hunter who can metamorphosize, so i'm sure it happened. Maybe Azzinoth? Anyway, my theory is that him being a demon hunter enhanced the impact of the transformation. Instead of becoming a normal satyr as one normally would after absorbing fel energy like that, it also completed his demon hunter transformation, as well as enhancing it. It would be awesome to fly with big wings like that, though I am sure that they get in the way sometimes. Especially while sleeping.--Mesethusela (talk) 07:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Aand the weapons again.

Just for the RP purpose, could anyone actually name a twin blade-like weapon ingame? I know there´s Twin Blades of Azzinoth, but there´s gotta be more, for example the Nelf on WoW box(where bunch of alli fights a dragon) has something alike. Stöpa^(talk) 20:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The Night elves in Silithus have them. --SWM24 48 22:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

They're generally referred to as "glaives" or "warglaives" in WoW, both in-game and in the data files. As far as we can tell, they're weapons used by more than just demon hunters. If you look around WoW, there are far more random warglaives lying around (both the types with the buckler and the types without) than there are demon hunters. I can immediately recall seeing them placed in both Darnassus and Warsong Gulch as scenery doodads.

As was mentioned above, almost all the guards of Silithus wield these. Also don't forget that the guards in Silvermoon wield glaives as well. In addition to this, you can see the Prince of Eldre'thalas wielding a non-bucklered warglaive, which would indicate that the weapons date back to the time of the orignal highborne. Tharion 08:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Some druids must use them since there's

NightElfMale — this, so maybe the demon hunters boroowed their sword from the druids.

And I was watching a private server vid on YouTube, and it showed a rogue and warrior holding 2 (each) of the glowing orange demon hunter swords. Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 00:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I personaly have noticed, that druids in particual use these glaves. As demon hunters originated from the Kaldorei, and majority of the Kaldorei where Druids and very basic arcane users, the 'glave' has become the standard weapon of choice. Such as the Japanese using Katanas, the english and broad swords or french with the rapiers and estoch, etc. Demon hunters are just picking up there races standard weapon and being slightly better at using it. But what I find really annoying is the mass apperance of this weapon and not actually being able to use one! To me, a demon hunter, a senital or Druid with a glave is the same as knight, soldier or guard with a short sword. Double_Fury 18:11, 12 January 2008

It's funny that if druids tend to use glaives, but in-game the glaives are considered one-handed swords...and druids can't use swords....

^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 07:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I had the same thought. But then you have to remember, just cause you go around loving trees don't mean ya can't hold a sword. Thats what I hate about WoW, its far to restricting...Double_Fury 11:51, 13 January 2008

Does anyone know what those long, double sided, orange & purple blades the demon hunters wield is called? Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 02:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Glaives... also Warglaives. But mostly just Glaives. But it could be just a name like how some polearms have the glaive name in it as well. But Bliz classifies them as one-handed swords. So they could be called a glaive, a warglaive, or a sword.

^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 03:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I need the WoW name of them because I'm trying to make a Model Viewer screenshot of one. Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 23:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Threy are called*drum roll* ....Warglaives of Azzinoth (left)/(right)Then the yellow one is just called Warglaives of AzzinothUser:Airiph/sig 17:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

And type in Glave(not glaive) for non glowy Glaives,there is a bunch thereUser:Airiph/sig 17:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The Updated verison of WMV no longer has any items labeled as Glave. Just so you know... =(

^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 23:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Version C?Yes it doesUser:Airiph/sig 01:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

C? ... they update again? grr... I have B, and B didn't have Items named as Glave.

^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 07:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Heh heh,yup,because if stuff glow,they glow all blocky and stuffUser:Airiph/sig 21:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Abilities

So, there are a few abilities: Mana Burn, Spectral sight, Immolation, greater doging chance, metamorphasis(sp), but is that it? The great demon hunters have a very small range of attacked otherwise, I'd love to hear more from people. Because I RP a demon hunter, I sometimes feel I'm repeating myself... Double_Fury

If you're referring to RP, use your imagination! You're free to develop new ideas that align with the current abilities. My demon hunter RP has evolved to a point where my character has become a teacher of other DH's on the server, and I can list off a few of the varying abilities that have been created for RP purposes.

One of my students had to be bound to multiple demons at once, as he directly drew from their power and constantly "burned them out." As such, his abilities were tailored to whatever demon soul he was being powered from at the time (infernals were strong and tough, but angry, satyr were magically oriented, especially some "fel-nature" spells, dreadlords had a darker taint to them, etc). Another demon hunter (female, the player inspired by anime) had blood that was extremely poisonous/dangerous to demons. So she'd literally cut herself and coat the edges of her weapons with her blood. It caused a few plot-alt demons to explode on occasion. Still another one had living blades that could combine to form one (RP weapon portrayed by a Warmonger) or split into two (Bloodrazor and Vanquisher's swords). The textures of the weapons fit, and the center of the blades were actually living organic material.

On that note, the other heavy RP thing I've seen and done is replace the glaives with signature RP weapons. Simply put, since Blizz cannot yet give us access to glaives outside of Black Temple raiding, I choose to have my character and my students choose and develop the story for a signature RP weapon that usually has special abilities. Tharion's old weapon was known as Felborne, and it was able to siphon the life-force from demons it pierced. Problem was, it was the SWORD that got more powerful at this, not the hunter. And the sword had a mind of its own (literally). Thus Tharion ran the risk of going mad if his sword absorbed too much power from the demons he hunted.

There are many things you can do, RP-wise, with RPed demon hunters to make them memorable. I personally tend to leave out the WC3 abilities that I cannot actually replicate with in-game mechanics, though (they're usually tucked away in the "not yet learned" corner). Metamorphosis is an ability reserved for written stories and "off scene" events. Immolation is usually simulated with the potion and creative use of a Hunter's explosive trap. Dodge is easy for a hunter or rogue (Aspect of the Monkey for Hunter, Evasion for Rogue). Spectral sight is built in to the Hunter class, too, as Track Demons. Mana burn, though, has to be purely RP (and thus agreed upon by the target).

Yeah, so I can ramble on and on and on about this. Been RPing a DH for 3 years now. It's in my blood. ;) By the way, my WoWWiki user page has a link to my Earthen Ring wiki entry for Tharion Greyseer. You can find links to plot demons and students from there as well.Tharion 06:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

OMG, its you- I first asked you questions a -long- time ago... must have been over 6 months Now. I RP on Sister of Elune, Beau. I don't rely on game mechanics at all, most of the game use is having my char walk, draw weps or sit, whatever. I can explain everything I do though. I just want to have some idea of how much -give- in my RP I can go before i starts seeming over powered. I tend to get complaints cause people don't understand what I'm doing, then have to spend 3/4 of an hour explaining every thing to them... Can I just ask, how spectral sight works, cause I'm not sure if I'm going about it just right.

Also, as far as being able to attack, do you belive using attacks sucha as shadow bolt, or arcanic attacks would be allowed. Cause I seem to find myself usinf melee attacks -far- to often because people don't know how to react to seeing a hunter (class) throwing dark magic at them... >_< Double_Fury

Hey! I remember you! I did answer your question back then, didn't I? I was in the middle of a personal lull about 6 months ago, and I know a few people inadvertently fell through the cracks ... >.>

What you're facing is one of the biggest reasons I do tend to take game mechanics into consideration. It saves a load of time when you can actually justify what you're doing using the foundation of the game's rules, and people have a hard time accusing you of being overpowered if you can simply pop an aspect or ability and show them that you really CAN do most of what you claim. The more you can justify using in-game mechanics, the stronger your claims become. Howevever, that said, I also understand that the nature of freeform RP is such that people wish to break outside of those mechanical restrictions.

In regards to abilities, do not forget that a demon hunter's claim to fame IS his or her exceedingly frightening melee abilities. Even the initiates atop Karabor can be a pain to deal with at close range, and they're just students! A demon hunter is a highly agile, highly deadly, and highly potent killer of demons, but it's largely an in-your-face kind of potency. Not until they achieve their demonform do they really expand to spellcraft much. However, don't forget to incorporate your character's backstory. Tharion, for example, was a scholar before choosing the path. As such, his spell-like abilities are weak to non-existent. If your character were, say, a sorceror, then spellcraft is more in his blood and arcane / shadow abilities would more logically fit. HOWEVER, the trick is getting that backstory across to people in a more subtle manner so that your abilities seem more justified.

As to the spectral sight, the lore has fallen to the same as the "first demon hunter" lore. That is to say "Illidan's was unique, the others have something similar but probably not exact." I personally use the old tabletop description which said that the hunter saw in blacks and whites a full 360 view. Demonic magics were brightly highlighted and easily felt. Ever do the early draenei totem quests? The ones on Azuremyst where you follow the furbolg spirits to each totem? If you remember the spirit cat form and how your vision changes during that quest--THAT'S how I imagine Tharion's felsight to appear. Regardless, I believe you're relatively free to tailor the specifics to your personal RP preference. Illidan saw the world in churning violent colors. Tharion sees the world in grays (hence his name "Greyseer"). Use one of these or develop a style more befitting your character.

Finally, as to fighting the "overpowered" fight, understand this--The easiest way to avoid being overpowered is to lock yourself into a set of rules that makes sense not only to you, but to everyone else as well. Those who are overpowered effectively have free reign over others, and other RPers don't like to deal with that level of "threat." They fear godmoding and other such things. However, if you abide by a rather strict code of limitations, people are more willing to accept what you're doing and even allow you to step beyond those rules from time to time.Tharion 12:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hehe, I can justify almost ever attack I do. As a demon hunter, the have mana drain. The blood elves have mana tap and arcane torrent which work in sync perfectly to be mana burn. The intence dogeing can be done by aspect of the monky and he skill deterance- easy. Metamorphasis, slightly harder- but I belive using bestial warth is an acceptable thing... Immolation, I use a mixture of the immolation trap and the special summer festival. Other things like beaing abl to use magic, I leave that to the basic "I'm a blood elf, majority have a firm grasp on magic..." Plus his back ground story, his mother was a poweful magister that pushed him to magical arts, father was a strong ranger who taught him physical arts.

As for the sight, I read that and thought that was awsome... And I have done the Dranei uest, but I imagined it more like how Frodo puts the ring on in LotR, that strange warpy type of appearnce. But that could just be-because hes still young. As for the mechanics. Track demons, track humaniods, track hidden... Etc! "I can see you!" :P

For fighting, I like to take my time... I love to watch my character get beaten, makes him appear more durable. But, thats slowly changing, I'm actually proud to anounce that I've slowly lured other people into the same RP, Beau will be aiding a fellow student in learning. To be honest, i think I'm very well set. I've onl to thank you for all your advise and help!

(( Did I miss an ability? I think I've covered them all~ To bad theres no wings or blind folds, I use a black mage weave for a blind fold... And I'm keeping a pair of horns I obtained once incase for a future story)Double_Fury

Technically, Demon Hunter is a Blue Mage of Warcraft. With training they can use any demonic ability plus probably destruction magic. So you can imagine a DH using Rain of Fire, Fire Bolt, Finger of Death, and any spell of that nature.

--Rannulf 20:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually in the RPG, where much of the demon hunter lore originates, mages can use Rain of Fire and Fire Bolt. Actualy this goes back to Warcraft I where Rain of Fire was a traditional arcane spell. In anycase in the RPG there is alot of cross use of spells, many spells will be classified as arcanist for example and be used by all the arcanist classes, and some that are limited only to the specific variants, mages, necromancers, or warlocks, etc. Or between two or more of them. There isn't really a need for a "blue mage" since many spells aren't limited to a single class.Baggins (talk) 20:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Equipment Revisited

Just thought I'd try and clarify this a bit. Demon hunters can use any type of weapon, be they swords, glaives, or even pikes and spears. Upon completing their rituals, a portion of the spirit of the demon they sacrificed is imbued into their weapon, and it becomes their personal warblade (or warglaive, as it were). These can be wielded alone or in pairs, and most demon hunters seem to favor glaives. In a later RPG book, warblades are described differently, instead being whatever weapon the demon hunter uses, simply infused with chaotic energy channeled from the demon hunter.

Now, glaives. They aren't really rigidly defined anywhere, but for all intents and purposes, a glaive is any weapon which utilizes two or more fully functional blades, primarily used as melee weapons, but also often functioning as effective thrown weapons. These are a more exotic style of weapon, and from my observations, are typically used by the elvish species, demons, and etherials. They come in several styles, including small wrist-mounted glaives with 3-4 blades and larger versions of these thrown by seige weapons, (-shaped glaives with the cutting edge on either the outter (elvish/demonic) or inner (etherial) curve, S-shaped glaives used by spellbreakers, and even lance or spear-like glaives with double-edged blades used by pit lords.

As far as their armor, in the RPG, they wear either no armor or light armor (which includes cloth and leather armor). Their upper bodies are typically left bare or minimally covered, displaying their body tattos (which, as yet, have no lore that I'm aware of), though they have been shown to wear shoulder armor, wristguards, and gloves, and there is artwork of Illidan wearing a leather vest. They generally wear hakama-style pants or kilts over their legs, and simple-looking footwear. Those who have completed their ritual blinding wear blindfolds. WoWWiki-Suzaku (talk) 02:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Images

As far as I can see, the first two images on the Demon Hunter page have very little to do with Demon Hunters at all. The personages depicted have normal eyes without blindfolds, do not carry the typical curved warblades, and aren't even dressed like real Demon Hunters. The pictures should be removed. Any objections? --Mesethusela (talk) 20:53, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The file names for those images does make it seem like they are supposed to be demon hunters. If they are special, rare demon hunters who simply do not wish to be normal ones, or if they have not yet completed the initiation ritual, I do not know. If the latter is true, then they really are not real demon hunters, and if the former is true, then they are the only ones calling themselves demon hunters. Perhaps they simply hunt demons. At any rate, they are exceedingly poor examples of what a real or traditional demon hunter is, and I shall remove the pictures. And yes, I like to type "demon hunters". --Mesethusela (talk) 22:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Those were the images the RPG had in their demon hunter sections.--SWM24 48 22:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Warglaives are just weapons commonly attributed to them, like swords being attributed to death knights and those katana-looking blades being attributed to blademasters. They probably figure "if I can hurt people with it, I can hurt demons with it". Why they have eyes, no idea. --Super Bhaal (talk) 06:51, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I am aware of all that. But that fact remains that they are a poor representation of Demon Hunters in general, and if they are to remain they should at least be captioned, with an emphasis on how they are not typical demon hunter. In the interest of being encyclopedic, one of these courses of action should be taken. Someone who comes to this article could just look at the pictures, and figure that is what a real demon hunter is, which would be wrong. Or they could simply be confused with the conflicting ides of what the pictures show and what the article says. And read what I wrote more closely. One major fact is this: The persons in both pictures have very normal eyes and no blindfolds, which means they can't have demonic essence or a portion of a demon's spirit in their body. This in turn means simply: they are not demon hunters. They are probably training to be initiates. Again, they are very poor representations of a typical demon hunter, which is what the article should be about. The emphasis of being the first two pictures should not be put on those which are rare exceptions to the demon hunter way. Label them or remove them. --Mesethusela (talk) 18:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I read in one of the books that not all demon hunters opt to blindfold themselves (probably as a scare tactic), and that as they grow in power they become more like the creatures they hunt in appearance (one cosmetic effect being - I at least believe - that they might grow their eyes back as red, flaming orbs). Who's to say that the demon hunters pictured haven't had glass eyes put in or "grown" their eyes back as stated before? The man, at least, has bright eyes that might be interpreted as glowing. --Super Bhaal (talk) 07:02, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

The images should remain, given that they're demons hunters, but put something more mainstream (that is, blinded, with warglaives) at the top. The main problem here is the lack of associated Demon Hunter lore. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I really would like to have more demon hunter lore, but I guess we'll have to wait for when/if they make it into a playable hero class. Super Bhaal, the demon hunter's eyes do not grow back. They just develop fiery orbs in the sockets, like Illidan. They may not opt to blindfold themselves, but at least the blood elf girl looks to have very normal eyes. I just didn't want lookers to get the wrong impression on demon hunters. Anyway, I will put Varedis on the top. --Mesethusela (talk) 20:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

According to War of the Ancients, the firey replacements were Sargeras's touch- not a pact the Demon Hunters would probably be in a rush to repeat. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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