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Consorts and mating
Hmmm... If he wasn't able to get a female dragon before he was ran off... How were Nefarion and Onyxia born? Kakwakas 21:56, 16 Aug 2005 (EDT)
- Possible Nefarian and Onyxia were alive before and Deathwing was just lacking females to mate with... Maibe 15:39, 19 Jul 2006 (EDT)
Deathwing had four consorts at the time of the Sundering- one or two of them are probably the parents of Nefarion and Onyxia- or her could have found another dragon to mate with in the years since. nothing says they were born after Grim Batol, does it?- Ragestorm
I read somewhere he stole a few reds during thre battle of grim battol. This migh explain the odd redish color to some black dragons like teremus and the drakes in BS--Darkling235 01:07, 4 May 2006 (EDT)
Did any one forget Neltharions Alliance with Ner'zhul and his involvement in the events of the Dark Portal? Someone please add that in-OtherHalfofYang
By the time of Day of the Dragon, all female black dragons were dead. However, he managed toescape with a clutch of red dragon eggs. The most probable explanation is that he corrupted these eggs in his own image and thus the corrupted black dragons were born.--Grid 01:28, 21 November 2006 (EST)
- Where is it said he actually managed to escape? if it's being assumed that Alextrasza is holding him prisoner, then surely the whole point is that he didn't escape. Anyway, Nefarian (and probably Onyxia, too) are far to large to have been born after the Grim Batol incident.--Ragestorm 09:31, 21 November 2006 (EST)
It doesn't, but the book never says he was caught either. And at the very least, it does not mean he was caught immediately after Rhonin destroyed the Demon Soul. Remember - the entire black flight was utterly annihilated by Deathwing himself in his rage. The only way they could have survived and repopulated was if he managed to find some sort of safe haven, which would be Blackrock Spire.
It could also be possible that he's not another planet entirely gaining new allies.--Grid 13:43, 21 November 2006 (EST)
For those still saying Onyxia and Nefarian hatched from those red eggs: DoD also says Alexstrasza and Korialstrasz wanted to follow the other's in the hunt after the stolen eggs are safe and sound again...--Maibe 07:57, 4 December 2006 (EST)
I think they were referring to the clutch of surviving blue dragon eggs Korialstrasz discovered previously.--Grid 12:31, 4 December 2006 (EST)
- Do you mean the red eggs I mentioned? If yes...I think you're wrong, for at the Time DoD was written the idea of the timewarp and the hidden blue eggs most likely didn't even exist. I mean DoD was written before Shadows&Light (Or about the same time, need to check this) and the sourcebooks states about the blue flight that Malygos' was the only blue dragon left. That other blues had survived 10000 years ago as well was retconned in later.--Maibe 12:53, 4 December 2006 (EST)
- Not "retconned," "revealed", there is a huge difference. Nobody knew about the hidden eggs (Korialstrasz didn't even know until he returned from the past), and blue dragons of advanced age were present in Northrend in WC3. --Ragestorm 13:14, 4 December 2006 (EST)
- Well, as for Sapphiron and Azuregos... I tihnk they were ingame befor the trilogy came out, so one could have said that Alexstrasza revived them...As for the hiddedn eggs: Remember that Nozdormu, most likely with gritted teeth, said thatt that change to the timeline is okay? I think we can say that Rhonin and Koril returned to an altered timeline...not to the one from where/when they started...--Maibe 13:20, 4 December 2006 (EST)
- Yes, they did, but it was still the future version of Krasus who hid the eggs, then was sent back to his own kind. Hence they were completely unknown. Besides, Neltharion only eliminated those blues at the battle. Some were certainly not present at the time. If this continues, we should move this conversation to to Blue Dragon talk. -_Ragestorm 17:00, 4 December 2006 (EST)
- Agreed...Let's agree on that Warcraft needs far more sourcebooks to answer a bunch of questions...--Maibe 18:07, 4 December 2006 (EST)
Cause of corruption
There is No evidence to that the voices that caused Neltharion to create the dragon/demon soul and destroy the other flights were those of the old gods. [{User:Mahdi]]
- Well, aside from the fact that Krasus explicitly said it, there is the fact that the voices urged Neltharion away from the Demon Soul as it was forcing open their prison. War of the Encients trilogy, Book 3: The Sundering, 295-296. --Ragestorm 22:37, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
Whereabouts of Deathwing
It's said Deathwing hid "under a mountain" and in Hyjal (in WoW) resides a cave which is an exact copy of Onyxias Lair. Very strange, and Malfurion couldn't find Deathwing during is hibernation in the Emerald Dream before the Third War, and Hyjal actually is magic in nature since the new Well of Eternity resides there so the Well must have been used by Deathwing somehow to hid his whereabouts even from higher planes as the Emerald Dream.
This is just speculation and just a reminder of stuff. Makes me wonder... :P - Rendie
- We get the idea that Well of Eternity is not accessable because of Nordrassil. Since it was crafted by Alextrasza and Ysera, and Nozdormu, it's unlikely Neltharion can access either the Well or the Tree- between the three of them, they would have realized he'd try something and take steps to counter them. --Ragestorm 12:10, 5 August 2006 (EDT)
- I am not sure, but since Nordrassil got weakened when Archimonde was destroyed Deathwing might found some way
to manipulate the well after all, but how Deathwing got there AFTER Archimondes destruction I am not sure but I theorize that the portal that brought him to the world also brought Deathwing (who was theorized to reside in Outland) back to the world. - Rendie
- I thought Day of the Dragon took place after the Alliance Expedition, in which case Deathwing was already on Azeroth. I'm a bit fuzzy on the sequence, though, so I could be wrong. Regardless, not even the original Well had any effect whatsoever on the Emerald Dream. Now, just so I get this right, are you thinking that Hyjal is Neltharion's lair from the War of the Ancients, or just his hideaway right now? --Ragestorm 18:42, 5 August 2006 (EDT)
- Isn't there an island in Outland referred to in the old maps as "Deathwing's Lair"? I just wrote an article on it and was curious if thats ever come into consideration as his possible hiding place. --Sapphiron 01:01, 6 February 2007 (EST)
A mission took place there in Beyond the Dark Portal. It was his hideaway during that time period, but he was back on Azeroth in Day of the Dragon, set after the Dark Portal was closed. -_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 10:38, 6 February 2007 (EST)
- Yes but who's to say an aspect can't create his own portal to another realm? Illidan was able to, I'm pretty sure the most powerful aspect could open a portal to Draenor or any other world. Personally I'd enjoy seeing him in chains in Grim Batol, would make for an interesting bit, but isn't Grim Batol infested by a shadow presence summoned by Thaurissian's wife, Modgud? ("Due to Modgud's death, however, an evil taint spread through the fortress, and, realising that Grim Batol was now uninhabitable, the Wildhammer dwarves sought out a new home in Aerie Peak.") --Sapphiron 01:01, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Lord Prestor's full name
Going by the newest sourcebook for the Pen&Paper RPG, 'Alliance Player's Guide' the full name Deathwings choose as human was Lord Daval Prestor. During the beta the place now held by Onyxia's human form was held by a Lord Daval Prestor II...Deathwign himself or perhabs Nefarian?
Definiately Neltharion, Onyxia's a chick and Nefarian is Victor Prestor.--Krusk 00:12, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
- Our thinking right now is not to rely heavily on material in the beta- for example, Garona was the Grand Master of the Assasin's Guild in the beta, but was removed. It's probably a retcon- it was intended to be Deathwing up to his old tricks, but Blizzard decided to put Onyxia into that place instead. -Ragestorm 05:34, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
I agree with not relying on the beta, mostly because none of the information we got from that is conclusive. Daval could have been Nefarian, as this was long before we ever heard about Victor Nefarius, or Neltharion himself, or even still Onyxia, if unlikely. If she has the power to change species I doubt gender would be that big a deal. Referring to the original Prestor as "Daval" was likely just a throwback tribute to the beta character.
- All dragons can shapeshift, but I don;t think any of them can change gender.--Ragestorm 09:25, 18 December 2006 (EST)
Dragons in Outland
Since the Nether Drakes have been confirmed to be the corrupted children of Deathwing while he was trapped in Outland, i'd assume this means that there are dragons of some sort native to Outland, thoughts?
Maybe Blizzard will retcon so that male dragons can lay eggs. =P
- If you go by the german translation one could think blue male dragons can...seriously...so many pages and not one time they use the female term when reffering to malygos' mates...*cough*--Maibe 19:18, 18 December 2006 (EST)
Article name
I think this article could be moved to Deathwing, since that is the predominant name he is known by whenever he shows up, with Lord Prestor and Neltharion redirecting to that. We don't have articles at Night elf/kaldorei or Onyxia/Lady Prestor, and I certainly don't want this one called Deathwing/Neltharion/Lord Prestor for the sake of completeness. :) --Aeleas 02:18, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
- As far as I know, the other Aspects still refer to him as Neltharion. Technically, he still is Neltharion. Since the human name is an alias, we never put it in the title. Similarly, "Kaldorei" is like refering to modern humans as "hominids" or even "terrans." --Ragestorm 10:49, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
Kaldorei is how the night elves refer to themselves in their own language, likewise with sin'dorei. Both are commonly used alternate names for the races, they just aren't the most common term. I simply don't see the value in reflecting all possible various names in the title of an article, rather than the most common one.--Aeleas 12:50, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
- I see your point, although I don't think it matters much, as all redirects end up here anyway. --Tinkerer 12:56, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
- It's not all possible names, it's just his use-name and his real name (in fact, if we must change it, "Neltharion" makes more sense than "Deathwing"), and we don't do it for anyone else. Again, the Prestors are aliases, but both Neltharion and Deathwing are "real" names. --Ragestorm 13:55, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
The fact that we don't do it for anyone else is my point; I don't think it should be done here for consistency and ease of linking. How is Neltharion/Deathwing different from Night elf/kaldorei? Or for that matter, Kingdom of Azeroth/Stormwind, if we are going to include both the former and the current names in article titles?--Aeleas 17:22, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
- Both Deathwing and Neltharion redirect here. I'm trying to point out that his circumstance warrants an exception. It's different from night elf/kaldorei because they're not different languages. It's not that different from Azeroth/Stormwind, I guess. --Ragestorm 21:13, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
- Deathwing/Neltharion is ugly for a title. Whether you move it to Deathwing or Neltharion doesn't matter much, as long as you move it elsewhere. At least it should be something like Deathwing (Neltharion). It doesn't make a big difference, other than to get rid of that ugly / in the title.--Amro 08:50, 15 November 2006 (EST)
FIne, then, but I propose movement to "Neltharion" or "Neltharion (Deathwing)" --Ragestorm 15:57, 15 November 2006 (EST)
- I'd vote for Neltharion, as brackets have a specific meaning in article titles.--Aeleas 17:39, 15 November 2006 (EST)
- Well, if you all insist, shall we change the name to Neltharion?--Ragestorm 20:08, 15 November 2006 (EST)
- Let's :) --Varghedin 14:40, 27 November 2006 (CET)
I propose calling the whole article Deathwing. Afterall Neltharion is who he USE to be, not who he is NOW. He is the Earth Warder no longer.--Zexx 12:09, 27 December 2006 (EST)
- I refuse. He's still the Earth-Warder, only the Pantheon knows how to change that, if even them.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 17:03, 27 December 2006 (EST)
- What a fun dilemma :) It will always be about a 50:50 split between the two - gamers will probably be more accustomed to Deathwing, lore nuts to Neltharion. I wish the wiki to be lore primarily, so the weight will shift to that side. Also, Ragestorm is Head Bookkeeper, and even I'm scared of him ;)
- To be serious, Neltharion is the name he used for thousands upon thousands of years, and is his 'real' name. He may have renamed himself Deathwing, but it is not his 'true' name per se. -- Kirkburn (talk) 17:36, 27 December 2006 (EST)
But he is obviously not Neltharion anymore. If you follow the logic that his original name is what should be the name he's recognized officially as, then the Lich King article should be called Ner'zhul. And really, are we to be so arrogant to assume that if someone chooses a new name for himself and it is the new name the world recognizes him as, it is not who he should be known as because it is not the name he was given?
Also, he is the Earth-Warder no longer because he does not fulfill his duties as the Earth Warder anymore. Him and his flight seek only to destroy.--Zexx 17:41, 27 December 2006 (EST)
- Ner'zhul has undergone huge changes to become the Lich King (which is not just him anyway), whereas Deathwing is just Neltharion gone mad. He's not changed into a different being. He is still the Earth Warder, because that's why he has his powers. If he wasn't the Earth Warder, he'd be powerless - the name is not necessarily his job, but his title. Edit: note that they do not specifically seek to destroy everything, they wish to 'purify' the world for themselves -- Kirkburn (talk) 17:48, 27 December 2006 (EST)
What you say is still fallacious. You claim the Lich King being no longer referred to as Ner'zhul is because his spirit was transferred to a crystal -- when his personality and identity remained the same, and continues to remain the same because it is still Ner'zhul's intellect and personality which dominate Arthas' body. Yet the Lich King is still not referred to as Arthas or Nerzhul.
In Deathwing's case he's a completely different personality than his original incarnation -- hence, the reason why he himself and other refer to him as Deathwing. If a king is given the title of king but defects from him and attacks his own country, is he still considered a king? So why would Deathwing still be considered the Earth Warder if he no longer fulfills his duties but simply retains his powers? It's been stated that if any of the Aspects die life and the powers that control Azeroth would not change. They are simply guardians who were imbued with powers for protecting those facets of Azeroth.
Also if the Black Dragonflight doesn't seek to destroy how come the section says verbatim that they no longer protect the earth but seek to destroy it?--Zexx 23:37, 27 December 2006 (EST)
- Actually, Metzen says that the Lich King now has Arthas's personality- He is colloquially referred to as "Lich King Arthas." As for that section, it's wrong. The Black Dragonflight seeks to protect the earth by removing troublesome species, such as humans or orcs. And Neltharion had the "Deathwing" personality for millenia before being named Deathwing (name aquired somewhen between the First and Second Wars). --Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 11:23, 28 December 2006 (EST)
- Indeed, Deathwing is plain mad old Neltharion, whereas the Lich King is a grossly transformed Ner'zhul plus Arthas. :) -- Kirkburn (talk) 11:25, 28 December 2006 (EST)
Then why aren't we calling the Lich King Arthas? It's the same personal with added wisdom and power. See, we're exactly back to Square 1 of your argument, and if you claim Arthas and the Lich King are a totally new entity -- DESPITE having the same personalities -- then how is Neltharion having a considerably DIFFERENT personality any different if he claims himself the title of Deathwing? Moreover, if he's simply "Neltharion gone mad", what keeps the Lich King from simply being "Arthas gone mad"? It makes alot more sense to call him Deathwing. That is who he is now.--Zexx 13:59, 29 December 2006 (EST)
- Because as said before, the Lich King is not only Arthas! Whereas Neltharion/Deathwing is not a conglomeration of more than one being. Neltharion = Deathwing, Deathwing = Neltharion. -- Kirkburn (talk) 14:14, 29 December 2006 (EST)
- So Illidan is called the Betrayer, so is Neltharion called Deathwing. Elune is also called Mu'sha, and Malorn is also called Apa'ro. Deathwing isn't a different personality, it's a different name.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 14:29, 29 December 2006 (EST)
Kirkburn you're missing the point again. Even before Ner'zhul melded with Arthas he was referred to as the Lich King. Also, Illidan is called the Betrayer because it is not an eponymous title. Deathwing is a name. Elune and Malorne are called so because those are alternate names for them but they are still the same gods. Deathwing is a symbolization of how Neltharion is Neltharion no longer, and if you want to use the popular usage argument as in the case of Elune and Malorne before referred to by their Darnassian names rather than Taurahe, the popular naem to refer to Neltharion is infact Deathwing.--Zexx 15:05, 29 December 2006 (EST)
- Ok, let's list what the literature calls him. He is Deathwing in Manual of Monsters. His article in in Shadows & Light is called Neltharion the Earth Warder(Deathwing) and it states Deathwing was once known as Neltharion, and Deathwing is the name he currently chooses to go by... He is only called Deathwing in Lands of Conflict, and Lands of Mystery. He was only known as Deathwing in the Art of Warcraft and Day of the Dragon as I recall. I'm pretty sure he's only called Deathwing in Alliance and Horde sourcebooks as well.
- He is apparently known as Deathwing in the common tongue and by most races. That is his name in recent history, and what most people know him by, as the average citizens don't know the legends surrounding his ancient name.Baggins 15:25, 29 December 2006 (EST)
- Fair enough, he really is called Deathwing in so many places (something which I did now know previously). :) However, my point stands that he has not become someone else, he is Neltharion still, though he may not be called it as much now. -- Kirkburn (talk) 16:08, 29 December 2006 (EST)
So my point stands. Deathwing is an eponymous title and also the named used to refer to him much more frequently than this previous identity Neltharion. I think it's an appropriate change, especially since Neltharion is not a suitable description of the dragon he is now rather than the dragon he used to be.--Zexx 13:31, 30 December 2006 (EST)
- After alot of thought I think I have to agree. While yes he is still Nelfarion, he is also Deathwing, and Deathwing is what he chooses to go by now, and what most people in-universe think of his name as. He'll probably be called Deathwing when he shows up in WoW as well. The whole nelfarion name has mostly been footnote to his current identity. By identity I'm stating yes, they are the same person, but "legally" changed his name (or "illegally" i'm not sure how it works in Azeroth ;).Baggins 13:38, 30 December 2006 (EST)
What's the consensus? Shall we go forth and change the article to the ominous and fear-jerking name of Deathwing?--Zexx 19:45, 4 January 2007 (EST)
- Though I still oppose on principle, I have been swayed by your argument (that he chose the name) to not prevent you from doing so. As some fools in the Renaissane decided to revive that quaint Athenian oddity called democracy, consensus wins (in this case). --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:33, 4 January 2007 (EST)
- Okay, moved it is. -- User:Kirkburn/Sig 21:00, 4 January 2007 (EST)
Prisoner at Grim Batol
I don't think so. If the Dragonqueen kept Deathwing prisoner, one could expect that the prime consort would know about something of this magnitude. But when Nozdormu contacts Krasus (at the begining of "The Well of Eternity"), the first thing that springs to the mind of Korialstrasz is that the black aspect is cooking up something...again. Obviously, that would be impossible if Deathwing is imprisoned. --Ivanjedi
- Yes, its probably one of Brann's bit of rumors to make things more interesting. I'm sure when blizzard decides to add Deathwing back in we'll all be surprised.Baggins 15:26, 29 December 2006 (EST)
- The area Grim Batol already exists in the eastern Wetlands and was once confirmed as one of the not yet implemented instance/raid zones. I also remember some NPCs talking about Grim Batol and what might be inside. Scouting the area there you can easily imagine some nice little 25-man post-BC raid instance there :).--FallingDown 15:24, 8 January 2007 (EST)
- Check out Grim Batol for more speculations.--FallingDown 15:34, 8 January 2007 (EST)
Shouldn't that last section "Current Location" have a speculation tag? A change with the name of it should probably occur also, but still...--Sky 23:26, 16 January 2007 (EST)
Baron Sablemane aka. Deathwing?
"There's nothing more that I hate in this world than the sons of Gruul and their father! They slaughtered my people, and my children, and now I will have a taste of revenge!" - Quote from Quest:It's a Trap! With all kinds of dead Black dragonkin over the place
- How on earth did I miss that ... very interesting indeed! (Baron Sablemane is in Blade's Edge Mountains, location is here: [1]).
- Futher research reveals more about him, but I'm not sure how much to say here =) Safe to say, yes, he is related to the dead dragons. User:Kirkburn/Sig 16:32, 27 January 2007 (EST)
- He might just be a black dragon, not necessarily the big bad himself. Although it wouldn't be unthinkable lore-wise since Blizzard has stated that Outland's nether drakes are in fact black dragons, hatched from eggs brought there by Deathwing, then warped by the Twisting Nether to become partially ethereal. Deathwing hiding out there so close to his progeny makes sense - he might be as crazy as a coconut cracker, but his love for his children is his one 'humanizing' (or perhaps 'dragonizing') factor. ---- Varghedin talk / contribs 17:09, 27 January 2007 (EST)
- Since he refers to "my children", this is very possible. However, I am not sure if the Aspect is the only one allowed to procreate. User:Jeoh/Signature
- Well, he freely sacrified his mates in the second war as far as we know...would he really care? Aside from that, I doubt only he was allowed to reproduce, at that would sooner or later lead to incest...--Maibe 20:30, 27 January 2007 (EST)
- You make it sound like incest is not performed in the animal kingdom? It's actually fairly common, even in some human cultures :p --User:Zeal/Sig 20:39, 27 January 2007 (EST)
- I'm aware...yet...someone this greedy for his flight beeing supreme....well...wait...actually that leads to incest....give me some time...I come up with an argument...--Maibe 21:11, 27 January 2007 (EST)
For some reason, that quote doesn't sound like Deathwing to me. <shrugs> Not that that issue matters. How'd he get from Azeroth to Outland, if this is him?--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:37, 27 January 2007 (EST)
- That's the problem I got...As far as I remember we know that Malygos is the only dragon able to shift between all the planes at will. Deathwing would have needed to open a new portal.--Maibe 21:11, 27 January 2007 (EST)
- If you guys do the quest chain with him, most indicators point to Baron Sablemane not being Deathwing. Baron Sablemane is a personal friend of Rexxar, and the two met some time ago. I would like to believe Rexxar is a good judge of character. The final and most convincing piece of evidence is the end of the quest chain. Rexxar comes out to help questers finish Showdown, but Alliance players get to summon the Baron himself. He turns into a drake and fights alongside with you.
- It isn't Deathwing.--Zexx 11:04, 28 January 2007 (EST)
- Thanks Zexx, that helped clear it up a little. I was waiting on hereing what apperance his transformation took. Ok then, he's merely an offspring of Deathwing it sounds, which makes more sense. Why he would become a Drake though is beyond me, that's certainly not his true form. And Deathwing is well known for weaving his magic on people to make them side with him, so Rexxar's relationship doesn't totaly rule out him being Deathwing yet. As to plane shifting, practically anyone with enough skill in magic can open a temporary portal, plane shifting isn't what is needed. --User:Zeal/Sig 11:11, 28 January 2007 (EST)
- Why wouldn't a drake be his true form?--Zexx 02:48, 31 January 2007 (EST)
- Well, if he's the father of all the dead drakes and dragons around the zone, it would be slightly odd. User:Kirkburn/Sig 07:05, 31 January 2007 (EST)
- A Drake is not a full grown Dragon, thus how could he be father of Dragons if he was a drake? --User:Zeal/Sig 12:47, 31 January 2007 (EST)
- Would've been a bit hard and out of place to make him a full grown dragon the size of Nef or Ony for the quest. It's simply a gameplay necessity.--Zexx 14:46, 31 January 2007 (EST)
- He wouldn't have to be that huge to be a dragon. Take Anachronos' size for instance - perfectly manageable. ---- Varghedin talk / contribs 14:52, 31 January 2007 (EST)
- Anachronos is pretty damn big.--Zexx 14:57, 31 January 2007 (EST)
- Exactly, it's not his true form, it's one they've given him for gameplay limitations. If he took on that form in lore terms is another matter. Either way, his true form would be that of a Dragon, not a Drake. --User:Zeal/Sig 15:12, 31 January 2007 (EST)
- Naw, he looks big in the pic but that's mostly perspective. He's about the size of normal drakes, and smaller than bigger drakes. It shouldn't be that much of a challenge to make. What's the difference between drakes and dragons anyway? It's mostly aesthetical. One could argue that drakes are younger and less powerful, but there are some pretty damn powerful drakes out there - Teremus for instance. ---- Varghedin talk / contribs 20:47, 31 January 2007 (EST)
Exactly. It's just a matter of aesthetics. Just because Lantressor the Blade uses an orc model and Sylvanas continues to be portrayed as a night elf doesn't mean that is how they're supposed to look like. Obviously they are done that way for convenience. Seeing as how all the only black dragons we have in this game both use unique models (Nefarian and Onyxia), I don't think the devs could have been bothered to create a third unique dragon model and simply settled for a drake.--Zexx 13:06, 1 February 2007 (EST)
The Infinity Dragonflight = New Deathwing Brood
Hey, I'm surprised no one mentioned this but those Infinity Dragons that are trying to corrupt the Caverns of Time look surprisingly black and dark AND they look like they are enhanced black dragons...
I wouldn't be surprised if Deathwing (who was trying to create a dragonflight in his image) succeeded. I mean, Nefarian was only following in his father's footsteps...
Also, we may yet see a Deathwing at the Battle of Hyjal (25 man)... or one of his raid-type drakes.
Sign your posts please, and yes, it is a possible and interesting theory.--Zexx 10:59, 12 February 2007 (EST)