Vol'jin's class
Isn't Vol'jin a Witch Doctor, not a Shadow Hunter?
Vol'jin was a Witch Doctor in Warcraft IIITopDread 01:34, 27 February 2007 (EST)
They settled in some islands near the Maelstorm, not Stranglethorn.
- It apparently has been retconned, as Vol'jin is now referred as the Shadow Hunter of the Darkspear trolls.--Sul'jin 13:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Size
How can the Darkspear tribe alone form the troll race in WoW? It was a very small race when the Gurubashi Empire was large, and its number must have been thinned by the civil war, then they are driven from their home in Stranglethorn and forced to live on remote islands, where they are first attacked by murlocs, then humans, then much of their tribe is captured and some killed by murlocs, they flee with Thrall after the a volcanic eruption that should have killed a lot. When they reaches Kalimdor, their ships run aground and many orcs and troll must drown, then they fights humans and quillboars all over Kalimdor, ending in the battle of Mount Hyjal. Finally they settles on the Echo Isles where they are attacked by Kul Tiras, and later Zalazane enslaves many using his dark magics. How can they be enough? A small tribe going through all that above cant number more than the high elves and the primary argument for why high elves isnt in game is that they are to few -Rovdyr 20:23, 10 March 2007 (EST)
- The number that we represent is not the true number. in fact, according to the lore, we apparently pretty much don't exist, maybe 1 or 2 groups of players do. and it never specifies anywhere that i have seen the number of darkspears still alive (for all we know, when they were on the broken islands they outnumbered the orcs, and then on the echo islands almost all of them survived the journey). not to mention the troll civil wars would have absolutely no play on current population considering it is thousands of years old. trolls are also incredibly difficult to kill, able to regrow limbs and survive wounds that nearly any other mortal race would quickly die from. and on top of all of this, the high elves only number between 2,000 and 20,000 in SW(it is debated if it is a typo, but i would assume the 2,000 is correct), whereas the trolls may number far above that. it is also fairly unclear on how trolls birth, and how quickly trolls come of age (an orc is able to fight when he is 12, he is large enough and strong enough to be like a level one and train and learn), so trolls may come of age much younger than humans, and be fully able to participate in battle.
- In essence, all we know of the darkspear, and trolls in general is: the darkspears are pretty small in number, but we have no idea the actual number (to my knowledge), and trolls are difficult to kill. this could lead to way more trolls living than you may think.--Haddon 21:24, 10 March 2007 (EST)
Relationships with the Blood elves
From what I've seen their relationship to the Blood elves can be described as neutral. Though their ancestors fought them many years ago,the Darkspear have no contact unless the elven priests in Kul'tiras count. The blood elves distrust or hate the Darkspear trolls,remembering their fights with forest trolls. Zarnks 07:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Definitely neutral, as is stated by the beginning faction page information. Although it should be pointed out that contact between jungle trolls and blood elves was very little, jungle trolls first lived in Stranglethornvale before moving to the Darkspear islands, iirc, which actually placed them farther south than where high/blood elves used to live.
- Blood elves tend to have more distrust towards forest trolls, which is a seperate race altogether, and not tied to the jungle troll (at least not directly, they are different cultures).Baggins 07:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Misconceptions about the Darkspear trolls
Is there any basis as all that they have given up cannibalism? or that they are "extremely, selflessly loyal" to the orcs? or the rest of the section? Seems too much like fan fiction to me. Even if it's tagged, there should be at least some basis to be included, right? --Raze 07:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The fact that you don't believe they have given up cannibalism just shows why this should stay. "the Darkspear tribe, too, was cannibalistic until it joined the Horde, at which point the Darkspears officially gave up cannibalism" [1] Zarnks 07:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- According to lore they have given up cannibalism because Thrall ordered that they had to give up cannibalism to join the Horde, one source of this information is Horde Player's guide, which is ironic if you think about it; considering that the Forsaken almost like its own seperate Horde in the east, still practices cannibalism.Baggins 07:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)'
We don't even know that kind of cannibalism they had. I'm guessing trolls have ritual cannibalism rather then eating corpses raw. Zarnks 07:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Actually as I recal its said they would eat their enemies, more than each other. It was literally eat the whole corpse kind of cannibalism, although I"m sure they used some parts for ritualistic purposes like the practice of head shrinking. However, thrall put the stop to that, or at least stopped most of the practice. There are rumors that some may still practice it in secret, but its unconfirmed.Baggins 07:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Doubt it. Otherwise they would have the cannibalize as a racial ablity. Almost all Darkspear trolls are extremely loyal to Thrall they would not disobey an order. Zarnks 07:50, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- If you want to actually dispel misconceptions, which is good, cite your sources (I just did the cannibalism one). Much more convincing that way. --Raze 07:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Nah trolls would't have "cannibalize" as a racial ability because no two races share the same two racial abilities in WoW, and like I said the rumor is that some may still secretly practice cannibalism and head shrinking practicesa, not all of them, some is hardly most or all, learn to read.
As a side note in rpg mechanics as opposed to mmo mechanics cannibalism is a learned ability rather than a racial ability. So you could have some sick wack jobs of any race learn it as part of their skill repotoire, LOL.
This discussion reminds me of something some what related, but I seem to recall one source saying that tauren, are big meat eaters (which is definitely true as they like to hunt) and have eaten cattle, LOL. Not quite cannibalism, but almost seems that way, LOL.07:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)Baggins
Guesss the best comparison is a human eating an ape. They look similar even though they are totaly different Zarnks 08:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- ...Not totally different a chimpanzee for example is only like 2% different than humans as far as genetics are concerned. I personally find the idea of eating an ape strange, and almost cannibalistic.
- But that's the real world, back to Warcraft. Cannibalism by definition in warcraft is one sentient race eating another sentient race.Baggins 08:03, 25 July 2007 (UTC)