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| ⚫ | I'm astounded as to why there are more than eighty citations on a disambig page, many of which are just multiple citations for the same piece of info, and in many cases from the same source. Of particular note is this little gem: "In Warcraft: Orcs & Humans the term Azeroth refers to the kingdom in most cases[3][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21]" Do we honestly need *NINE* citations for *ANYTHING*, let alone a piece of information that explicitly refers to a single source? Six of those citations are from consecutive pages of the WC1 manual. Two are from the SAME page! Can anyone honestly tell me that this isn't going overboard even a tiny bit? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 22:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | I don't know much non-WoW lore, but it looks like Azeroth the subcontinent (this page) refers to the same thing as [[Azeroth (continent)]]. Is there any difference? -- [[User:Harveydrone|Har]][[User_talk:Harveydrone|vey]][[Special:Contributions/Harveydrone|drone]] 19:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | :I think the problem is that both articles have been given the same info instead of being treated as two articles. There are a few things contrasting [[Azeroth (continent)]] versus [[Azeroth (subcontinent)]]. It can get confusing because [[Blizz]]ard calls supercontinents, continents, and subcontinents just continents. Also, "some" users think a subcontinent or continent is anything they see on a map using a large font on it or they change a source saying "continent" into their own wording of "island continent" and/or "micro continent" which adds even more vague terms. Okay, on the one hand you have this page which should be about the Azeroth that is part of the [[Eastern Kingdoms]] continent. So technically it is a subcontinent of the [[Eastern Kingdoms]], although it is called a continent too. On the other hand, in the early stages of ''[[World of Warcraft]]'', Azeroth was used as the name of the entire eastern continent of the world, which is now called the Eastern Kingdoms. In lore, the entire eastern continent was also known as Azeroth and was named this by the [[Arathi]]. I hope that helps a bit. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 02:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | :Well I know that there are many citations but I have a very good reason to put all of them. [[User:Baggins|Baggins]] didn't wanted to separate the several terms used for Azeroth, he just merged everything in two articles when there are five different uses of Azeroth, and so I'd decided to make a sandbox to prove that there are more uses. Many are the same citations from the same source, but I just used them as notes for my [[User:Benitoperezgaldos/Sandbox|sandbox]], I think I'll remove the quotes and just put the page if you think that is a bit much of the same citations. Lastly, I also think that this much citations may be a little drastic, but Baggins wasn't pleased with four or five citations that I and Rolandius gave him, so I came here with all citations of the most important sources. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 18:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | ::OK. It sounds like there should be one page about the smaller version, what is usually meant by "subcontinent", ie what is currently described on both this page and Azeroth (continent). Then the Eastern Kingdoms page can have a note about how Azeroth was once the name for that whole continent. I'd propose keeping this page named Azeroth (subcontinent) as is, since it's the least ambiguous. Then the Azeroth (continent) page could either a) redirect to the subcontinent page, b) redirect to Eastern Kingdoms, or c) not exist at all. I'd guess most people would expect a), but I'm not going to make that change yet. -- [[User:Harveydrone|Har]][[User_talk:Harveydrone|vey]][[Special:Contributions/Harveydrone|drone]] 19:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | I have made some changes to the articles, you may reconsider not merging them. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 07:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | While I will secede that Azeroth does not technically mean the combination of Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor, it seems like this keeps coming up, because Northrend and Outland already have names. Classic WoW just doesn't have the same ring to it. It seems like noting this usage of the term would be a good idea. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 10:31 PM, 7 Aug 2009 (EDT) |
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| + | :They look better now then they did before. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 09:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :I'm against that, firstly because I have done a research of all the most important sources of information and decifrated all the uses of Azeroth and I didn't find that as a use. Secondly because you don't have a source that supports you. Thirdly because I'm trying to cleanup all the links to Azeroth and redirect it to their actual use, not to the disambiguation; and if you start making this it would complicate more that work. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 03:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::By definition of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloquialism colloquial], you won't have any citations. The best examples I can think of (ironically) is the wiki itself, without trying to find examples on the forums, although I'm sure there are. Many pages have "Azeroth" in opposition to Northrend and Outland, as I'm sure you've found. The mere fact that they've been that way for years suggests to me that many people use Azeroth interchangebly with "Classic WoW" even if that is ''technically'' not correct. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 7:08 AM, 8 Aug 2009 (EDT) |
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| ⚫ | I'm astounded as to why there are more than eighty citations on a disambig page, many of which are just multiple citations for the same piece of info, and in many cases from the same source. Of particular note is this little gem: "In Warcraft: Orcs & Humans the term Azeroth refers to the kingdom in most cases[3][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21]" Do we honestly need *NINE* citations for *ANYTHING*, let alone a piece of information that explicitly refers to a single source? Six of those citations are from consecutive pages of the WC1 manual. Two are from the SAME page! Can anyone honestly tell me that this isn't going overboard even a tiny bit? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 22:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | :Well I know that there are many citations but I have a very good reason to put all of them. [[User:Baggins|Baggins]] didn't wanted to separate the several terms used for Azeroth, he just merged everything in two articles when there are five different uses of Azeroth, and so I'd decided to make a sandbox to prove that there are more uses. Many are the same citations from the same source, but I just used them as notes for my [[User:Benitoperezgaldos/Sandbox|sandbox]], I think I'll remove the quotes and just put the page if you think that is a bit much of the same citations. Lastly, I also think that this much citations may be a little drastic, but Baggins wasn't pleased with four or five citations that I and Rolandius gave him, so I came here with all citations of the most important sources. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 18:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::That's why that I'm saying I'm trying to clean up all this uses of Azeroth and you are making it harder, if Blizzard doesn't use the term then we shouldn't. This sounds like a term used by some fans and so it would be like a fan term used in the wiki, going against the [[WW:NPOV]], it says: ''"Writing articles at WoWWiki with a neutral point of view helps remove conflicts that may occur from conflicting fan opinions stated in articles."''. For me, saying that WoW classic is also called Azeroth is just a fan opinion. |
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| − | :::Also many pages have Azeroth in opposition to Northrend and Outland because before Wrath of the Lich King the term Azeroth, when talking about World of Warcraft items or gameplay, didn't included Northrend because it wasn't playable (i.e. if you said befor WotLK that you can't fly on Azeroth it was correct, but after WotLK when you say that it is not correct as you can now fly in Northrend). The problem is that no one actuallized that. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 18:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::I didn't realize this discussion was here and started [[Forum:Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor]] to discuss this. Not sure which is a better place. One point, people have not "for years" been using "Azeroth" to be distinct from "Northrend". That's only been happening since WotLK came out less than one year ago, and in many cases was done by mistake, not intentionally. -- [[User:Harveydrone|Har]][[User_talk:Harveydrone|vey]][[Special:Contributions/Harveydrone|drone]] 03:47, 9 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | :''Moved to [[Forum:Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor]] {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 7:31 PM, 9 Aug 2009 (EDT)'' |
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Revision as of 22:02, 27 March 2010
Moved from Talk:Azeroth (subcontinent)
Merge?
I don't know much non-WoW lore, but it looks like Azeroth the subcontinent (this page) refers to the same thing as Azeroth (continent). Is there any difference? -- Harveydrone 19:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- I think the problem is that both articles have been given the same info instead of being treated as two articles. There are a few things contrasting Azeroth (continent) versus Azeroth (subcontinent). It can get confusing because Blizzard calls supercontinents, continents, and subcontinents just continents. Also, "some" users think a subcontinent or continent is anything they see on a map using a large font on it or they change a source saying "continent" into their own wording of "island continent" and/or "micro continent" which adds even more vague terms. Okay, on the one hand you have this page which should be about the Azeroth that is part of the Eastern Kingdoms continent. So technically it is a subcontinent of the Eastern Kingdoms, although it is called a continent too. On the other hand, in the early stages of World of Warcraft, Azeroth was used as the name of the entire eastern continent of the world, which is now called the Eastern Kingdoms. In lore, the entire eastern continent was also known as Azeroth and was named this by the Arathi. I hope that helps a bit. Rolandius
(talk - contr) 02:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
- OK. It sounds like there should be one page about the smaller version, what is usually meant by "subcontinent", ie what is currently described on both this page and Azeroth (continent). Then the Eastern Kingdoms page can have a note about how Azeroth was once the name for that whole continent. I'd propose keeping this page named Azeroth (subcontinent) as is, since it's the least ambiguous. Then the Azeroth (continent) page could either a) redirect to the subcontinent page, b) redirect to Eastern Kingdoms, or c) not exist at all. I'd guess most people would expect a), but I'm not going to make that change yet. -- Harveydrone 19:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I have made some changes to the articles, you may reconsider not merging them. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 07:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Citations a bit much?
I'm astounded as to why there are more than eighty citations on a disambig page, many of which are just multiple citations for the same piece of info, and in many cases from the same source. Of particular note is this little gem: "In Warcraft: Orcs & Humans the term Azeroth refers to the kingdom in most cases[3][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21]" Do we honestly need *NINE* citations for *ANYTHING*, let alone a piece of information that explicitly refers to a single source? Six of those citations are from consecutive pages of the WC1 manual. Two are from the SAME page! Can anyone honestly tell me that this isn't going overboard even a tiny bit? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well I know that there are many citations but I have a very good reason to put all of them. Baggins didn't wanted to separate the several terms used for Azeroth, he just merged everything in two articles when there are five different uses of Azeroth, and so I'd decided to make a sandbox to prove that there are more uses. Many are the same citations from the same source, but I just used them as notes for my sandbox, I think I'll remove the quotes and just put the page if you think that is a bit much of the same citations. Lastly, I also think that this much citations may be a little drastic, but Baggins wasn't pleased with four or five citations that I and Rolandius gave him, so I came here with all citations of the most important sources. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 18:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Colloquial usage
- Moved to Forum:Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor
Howbizr(t·c) 7:31 PM, 9 Aug 2009 (EDT)