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This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Ashbringer article.

Comic, WotLK, and Pre-WotLK Contradictions

With the release of the comic upon us, this article will likely see many changes in the coming days. The comic may, and likely will, contradict many aspects of the story documented in the article's present state. I'd like to remind everyone of our WW:LORE policy on such contradictions:

Two or more sources of lore may conflict on significant points. However, it is not WoWWiki's purpose to simply ignore older lore as if it never existed, but rather show the evolution of the story, and all alternate events. Perceived discrepancies may be retcons, flavor lore, or simply errors, but it is not up to wiki to decide which is the case. All versions should be compared and contrasted with citations, in order to portray the true publishing history.

In other words, don't remove info because doesn't fit with the comic or WotLK. Add what's not already in the article, and let's come to consensus on how to whittle it down after that. --Tyrsenus t c 01:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

That said, don't hesitate to remove debunked speculation! --Sky (t · c · w) 01:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Curse broken link

The reference to the Curse site is broken. You can find the Asbrinnger # 2 preview here: http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/world_of_warcraft_ashbringer_2_comic_book/

Stats

Could we please move the stats down on the page so they aren't the main Ashbringer picture, so to speak? Chances are, when it becomes obtainable, those won't be the stats :P ~My rage bar is blue and I start the fight pissed - Peregrine 16:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Not likely. Check back in the archive, I've tried many times. The argument is something like "these are the stats we know." Apparently one admin or another has a very strong opinion about this and keeps reverting it back. You're welcome to try again, though. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:59, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Purified Ashbringer makes Lich King retreat?

Now, I haven't played WotLK yet, so I can only comment on what I've read, but the Ashbringer making the Lich King retreat? Come on! He's described at one point as one of the most powerful beings Azeroth has ever seen, suggesting his powers could very well rival that of the Old Gods (I know it doesn't say that, but the implication is there if he is one of the MOST powerful beings it's ever seen), and a sword which does probably only 700-odd damage to him if you take damage reductions and whatnot into consideration, makes the King of the Undead retreat...that doesn't quite sit with me. Thoughts on the matter? Scum of the Earth, COME ON! (talk) 18:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


Well we have to take in consideration the Lich King got wounded on holy ground and felt the anguish of a Thousand lost souls AND the restored power of the Naaru. I dont know if his power level is over 9000/same as the old Gods, but i'm pretty sure he would've been slightly scared since he hasn't been wounded for years and thought himself being to cocky and pulled back before he knew he would make a mistake and duke it out with Tirion without back up. IconSmall Orc MaleHunterGorvar

As I say haven't played WotLK, so I wasn't aware of these factors. But the comment of his Old-God power level I am making based on the fact that Azeroth has born witness to the Titans, Burning Legion and Old Gods, and of those three, the most powerful have been the Old Gods (the Titans couldn't even manage to kill them all), so it all seems rather suspect that one sword could make him retreat. I'd say it would've been more down to being surrounded by a horde of very angry DKs. Scum of the Earth, COME ON! (talk) 19:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The Ashbringer is not a mere sword though, same with Frostmourne. While one is the embodiment of Good, the other is of evil and both have shown to have great power. IconSmall Orc MaleHunterGorvar

The Ashbringer is not the embodiment of Good, it can turn [[Corrupted Ashbringer|dark]. Pudim17 (talk - contr) 19:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

True, but now it is a embodiment of good again, and i'm sure if given a same shot of sorts, Frostmourne could be turned too. IconSmall Orc MaleHunterGorvar

Actually Frostmourne is far more than a simple representation of evil: it is an extension of the Lich King's powers, and as such, to turn it to the light would be to turn a part of the Lich King to the light.

So in other words, we can't purifiy Frostmourne. Didn't think we would anyways :) IconSmall WolvarBig, furry, and insane (Have a conversation with the homocidal furry!) (Come and stalk me! ...No, wait, please don't.) 20:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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