Talk: Anveena Teague

In-game?

Will Anveena make an appearence in BC?--Odolwa 18:36, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Maybe she's in Sunwell Plateau with Kalec? Like how Jorad and Tyri are together at Netherstorm. Whenever that area is opened, maybe they with be there -- Baeldun 18:01 January 2007

Alignment

Removed to Talk:Anveena Teague/Alignment.

Easteregg and Conspiracy ahead?

Moved to Talk:Anveena_Teague/Alignment

Place for updates

I know we have no information as of yet, but when we do, I'd like to know what the instance and the raid happening at the Sunwell Plateau mean for Anveena. And Kalec for that matter. Meneldir

Well if blue dragons have gone evil... Kalec may have as well... Anveena might be corrupted...Baggins 00:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

This is obvious,she will either help defeat Kael once and for all or be kidnapped. Zarnks 00:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The Blue dragons haven't gone evil, they're the rigid sort of good that does more damage than evil. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok they have gone insane compared to how they were. Read the blue dragonflight page lore, and see how much they have changed. Before they were living with magic users of the world, cultivating them, teaching them, learning from them, etc. Many were members of the Kirin Tor of Dalaran. Its said they loved arcanists, engineers, anything having to do with science or magic which they are the supposed to be the guardians of.

The blue dragonflight is focused on the pursuit of ever greater power and knowledge. This doesn’t make them completely egocentric; the dragons share what they learn to help others of their kind as well as the world in general. Many blue dragons strive to impress their master, Malygos, with their knowledge of magic, or invent new spells or magic items. Members of the blue dragonflight value other thinkers, including spellcasters, engineers, writers, artists and general academic types. If a mortal shows a blue dragon a spell he has never seen, she earns that dragon’s respect. If she teaches the dragon that spell, she likely gains the dragon’s gratitude for a lifetime — and blues live a very long time. Generally, members of the blue dragonflight consider adventurers in general to be kindred spirits, but they highly favor those who are clever, inventive and powerful.

Generally, the blue dragonflight likes the mortal races, especially those that practice arcane magic, but there are a few exceptions. Most blue dragons dislike goblins, since many goblins serve the black dragonflight, and it was a group of goblins that outfitted Deathwing with the adamantine armor attached to his scales. Also, blue dragons are wary of orcs, due to their role in enslaving the red dragonflight in recent years. Relations between the blue dragonflight and the other dragonflights have dramatically improved since the fall of Deathwing at Grim Batol; many of the other dragons felt that the blues abandoned them after the construction of the World Tree; but now red, bronze and blue dragons guard Nordrassil together once again.

Literally there has been some kind of huge personality shift, since then.Baggins 03:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe its the whole Death knight thing? When thier Malygos order somethings,they are not going to disobey. Zarnks 03:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The problem is Malygos got his sanity back at least according to written lore, and apparently he's gone insane again.Baggins 04:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought he went sane and decided to put all those wizards in their place. Zarnks 04:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Some kind of retcon or mix up of wording on the part of the designers, might have taken place... But there were definitely several written sources that said he recovered from his years of sanity, including Lands of Mystery, and Shadows & Light, and maybe end of Day of the Dragon. This could be another case of Metzen forgetting what was said in previous sources. Infact it was part of the history of the blue dragonflight, that because of his return to sanity was the reason why the blue dragons started living, learning and teaching the races of the world, and their love of magic users, and engineers and the like... Read blue dragonflight for the specifics.Baggins 04:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Well not everything in the rpg is completly canon Zarnks 04:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect, your assumption is false, Blizzard has stated consitently that the RPG is official, and Metzen is one of the authors, and the design assistance and additional material editor for the entire line. It wasn't just the RPG it was in the novels too. Also, several staff members of WoW have said the series official. The author of The Last Guardian, Jeff Grubb was also one of the authors for the series. It is covered by the kind of meticulous editing process that the game goes through, with Metzen in charge of it all.

In rebuttal to a poster that claimed that Warcraft RPG was not official,

Any piece of literature authorized and licensed by Blizzard Entertainment is in-fact, official. The book series written by Richard A. Knaak in particular is an excellent example of real 'Azerothian' history and lore available outside of our game software. We work closely with authors that help us expand our game universe, and the information should be considered official.

I'm very sorry but your assumptions are not correct. -Eyonix

One of many of Chris Metzen's quotes about the RPG;

We're taking the process of building a world seriously and it wasn't just churned out. It had a strong sense of continuity. We've always tried to do that with are ancillary products like the D&D line and our novels. We are kind of painstakingly anal, about making sure all the details add up, that continuity is held to be sacred. So that no matter in what medium you are experiencing Warcraft it all feels like a contiguous experience."-Chris Metzen

More can be found here Warcraft_RPG#Official Source of Lore. You'd be hard pressed to find one WoW designer deny the rpg, ever.Baggins 04:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't see the whole thing was noncanon just some stuff like Thrall killing Mannroth,Maiev dying and some other stuff. Blizzard has contradicted it before. Zarnks 04:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a difference between official mistakes through editing and typographical issues. Trying to use spelling errors, editing errors, and the like to denote something as non-official is silly at best, and dishonest at the worst. The Thrall killing Mannoroth was a editing error.

Also, from a few contacts I've discussed with, one of the designers claimed they were told to say that Maiev died, but they tried to make sure it was described as an in-universe belief, as in what night elves believed happened to her, not literally what happened to her, it was a form of flavor lore. Its just another case where Blizzard changed their minds, again... Just a retcon pretty much. Many of the elements of the storyline in WoW are very different than wat was originally told in previous games, because Blizzard decided to change things many times over the years.Baggins 04:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Exactly if they don't like a point in the rpg,they can retcon or ignore it. They don't have to follow every word. Zarnks 04:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

No, its not anything to do with "retconing" or ignoring the "RPG" in general. What people forget is that much of the stuff in the RPG is actually based on what occured in previous games, or mentioned in WoW itself (combination of material from Horde and Alliance quests of the game). While its true that some stuff in the RPG is stuff the authors make up with Metzen's permission, and other times its stuff they are told to add. However Maeiv's death occurs during one of the missions in Warcraft III. So the material int he RPG was, was based on that version of the story (but Blizzard decided later to change their minds and thought it be cool to bring her back). Alot of characters died in Warcraft III, or earlier games, only be resurrected later because Blizzard thought they'd be useful or cool.

Characters die in the novels only to be resurrected as well. Blizzard does this for the sake of the game, if it'll make things cool. Not because of the source. The designers tend to do things more because they think it'll be cool. Thus why Zul'jin is a raid boss, even if ignores certain aspects of his life as mentioned in previous games and the RPG, and even stuff in WoW itself. You'll notice Blizzard even ignores stuff its said in WoW itself they thought it was cool, like for example the in-game books that discussed the history of the Eredar/Draenei, that have been altered in game to reflect the new history. They don't go out of their way to ignore the RPG because its the RPG, they don't go out of their way to Ignore the events of Warcraft I-III because they are older games. There is mroe to it that that.Baggins 04:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Btw, for anyone who doesn't know Warcraft III the mission in which Maiev "dies" is called the "Dusts of Outland", and main mission objective is to kill her and the rest of the guardians of Illidan's cage. Basically the description of her "death" given in the RPG takes material almost word from word from the mission and quest descriptions, and certain things said during the mission.Baggins 04:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a fascinating conversation that deserves it's own section elsewhere. I would like to stay on topic please. Meneldir

Baggins, the goal of that mission isn't to kill Maiev. It's to make sure Illidan arrives safely at the blood elf base. To do this, you have to fight off Maiev and her forces and prevent them from reclaiming the cage. When Maiev is killed, she is simply ressurected until you finish the mission. Even once you complete the mission, she is not mentioned for the rest of the campaign. --Austin P 16:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't make me say it again, this is a discussion best for elsewhere. Meneldir

Austin, you can discuss it on Maevi's page, but actually read the "quest objective" again. It specifically says "slay the guardians", slay of course meaning to "kill". Maeiv happens to be one of four guardians (all of which must die) in order to finish the objective that triggers the next mission objective in the mission. Yes she is resurrected over and over, but she still part of that initial mission objective. You can finish this over on Talk:Maiev Shadowsong. Baggins 04:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Dalaran Rumor?

This rumor about Anveena possibly being in Dalaran...where did it start? --Joshmaul 14:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

It is rumored that, with the advent of Wrath of the Lich King, Anveena may appear at the neutral city of Dalaran, beside Korialstrasz and the city leader, Archmage Rhonin.

I have removed the above sentence. It needs a source. Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Unless there's a source, it's speculation, not rumor. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

How powerful is she?

It is obvious that she is very powerful, being the Sunwell and all. Also, it was said in the article that Dar'Khan managed to get the power from her and was able to bring down a mighty dragon and enslave it. So in that case, who would she be comparable to (if that were the extent of her power)? Jclipps 01:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

"Yes...I am the Sunwell...not human...not Anveena...only great power...and so...you...you have no hold over me...and no hope against me."

If that quote is taken literally, she's at least almost as powerful as a titan. She's about 1/7 of all the power in the Well of Eternity, assuming each vial is equal in power.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Point of note all the vials together didn't hold all the water from the well of eternity, only a very small fraction of the original water. So I doubt it could be 1/7 the power of the original. Infact I doubt we even want to try to figure out the percentage since we don't even have the dimensions of the original well.Baggins 02:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Now it just gets me thinking how powerful the Well of Eternity must have been...wow. Jclipps 09:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Kael'thas captured her. She may be very powerful, but I guess she doesn't have control over all that dormant power. Besides, when she sacrificed to fight Kil'Jaeden, it only weakened the old goat, not kill him. Guess Ragestorm is gonna have to re-evaluate her power, or at least control over the power. >< --Invin Dranoel (talk) 16:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Anveena is going to be in the Sunwell Plateau

Ok guys, I just read this in worldofraids[1], extracted from the MPQ files of patch 2.4.0. Appears listed as a "boss ability", and is IMO one of the biggest and worst spoilers i've ever seen:

Sacrifice of Anveena - Anveena sacrifices herself, causing Kil'jaeden to take $s1% increased Holy damage.

Anveena's Prison - A field of Arcane power traps Anveena.

So it seems she is actually involved in the fight with Kil'jaeden, who has trapped her. Speculating a bit, I think Kil'jaeden's fight will involve releasing her in order to get her help.--Morgaur 21:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Seriously...no matter in what context she'll sacrify herself...this whole -I sacrify myself to save my beloved...oh...and the world- number is a bit much of drama...can't we kill anveena? I hate her --Maibe 16:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

She's not even a real character, what does it matter? She's just the energy of the Sunwell tranmuted into a humanoid form. People give her far too much credit as being a "character", she is only an object with artificial feelings to keep her disgused. Suzaku 22:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

That site had like everything! Except is there just going to be a fel forst wyrm, or did not just find the fel dragon model yet?   Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 02:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Model Viewer lists it as "Frostwurmfelfire," so that does indeed appear to be the fel dragon. I'm guessing the Legion probably "conscripted" the remaining Scourge at the Sunwell into their service. -- Dark T Zeratul 02:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Nightbane looks like a regular fire 'frost' wyrm, and he is unrelated to the Scourge.--SWM2448 15:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually the article states that Anveena developed emotions and will all on her own, not from Kraus's spell, And does anyone know whether "sacrifice" in this context means dying, or just losing some hp?Xlel 12:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Anveena's model exists:

--  Shandris  talk / contribs 15:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Well thats not necessarily a model thats just a human female with clothing hence why you can find her NPC ID which I'd imagine is how you found it unlike Kalec's model for example which is unique. Leviathon 16:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Unless there are human females that look like that, wearing clothes that look like that, I'd say that's pretty unique. --Joshmaul 22:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

How old is she supposed to be? I mean her npc box pic makes her look young, but the basic WoW graphics which may or may not be wrong make her look like maybe her teens-twenties.   Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 01:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Chronologically, she's about six years old, since she was created shortly after the desecration of the Sunwell. Physically, her body is that of a teenage girl of indeterminate age. -- Dark T Zeratul 04:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

She doesn't get a unique model (while the cloths and face style may make it 'unique' it isn't technically a unique model) like Kalec and other NPC's so she looks a bit older in WoW than she was portrayed in the manga as its just a normal female human model with clothes and a face settup. Leviathon 06:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

it may just be the image but her eyes look solid blueScorpx3 20:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

"Kalec, my love"? Hey, wait a minute...

Now that's a twist I was not expecting. I wonder if maybe that will influence Tyri to swoop down and eat us in WotLK...considering that she was intended for Kalec! --Joshmaul 04:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I think she may find comfort in the arms of one Jorad Mace...Warthok Talk Contribs 05:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I wonder how that story would turn out... --Joshmaul 00:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Well considering Anveena sacrifices herself I doubt Tyri will care that she and Kalec had feelings for each other.Xlel 04:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe he truly appreciates outdoor water features. ^^ --User:Vorbis/Sig 22:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I could imagine (blizzhaving) the repaired sunwell being able to remanifest her. Or a BE belitiling her sacrifice or something then loseing his or her conection to the sunwell.Scorpx3 20:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

That prospect seems very entertaining, and there is no info as to what Kalec does after the events of the sunwell play out as of yet, maybe he stays there to be close to Anveena since she IS the sunwell--Saphiredragon89 (talk) 00:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

There are information about Kalecs current place. He's now in Azshara where he gives quests to help Azuregos. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Numisel (talk · contr).

Relatives

His parents were not illusions but some sort of guardians and there is no reference about Raac that is somethink like a reincarnation of her parents (it's explained near the end of the comic by Borel). I'll change the article when I'll take again the book --N'Nanz (talk) 19:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I've noted Raac's absence on his page, it seems weird, I miss the cute little mascot --Saphiredragon89 (talk) 02:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)