Pamela's Doll's Head

Pedigree

Are we quite certain on the pedigree? I didn't see any family trees in the preview.Meneldir (talk) 05:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Section has been removed. g0urra[T҂C] 05:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Half-orcs and half-draenei

Half-orc is also speculation since we do not know what is the father's race. Rolandius (talk - contr) 06:02, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

All we know for sure is he's at least one quarter orc. He might three quarters, or half if Garona met another half orc.Warthok Talk Contribs 06:16, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

That is what I am saying. He might not be a half-orc since they are 50% orc. If his father is another half-orc then he would be half-orc also since that would make him still 50% orc. Depending on what race his dad is then he could be a combination of races. I think being only 25% orc might take you out of the half-orc category though. Rolandius (talk - contr) 06:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I think it's best for the time being to list him as: 1/4 orc.Warthok Talk Contribs 07:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Or we could just put Race = Unknown. Rolandius (talk - contr) 08:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Just read the comic. Garona's a half-orc/half-draenei. No meantion of his father.Warthok Talk Contribs 09:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I see. This page of characters indeed states she's half-draenei. I stand corrected.AMBER^(RΘCK) 02:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Since we don't know who his father is, I'd leave as it is until we discover it. Her mother is a half-orc, so his son, until the comic tell us who his father is, should be a half-orc too. --Lon-ami (talk) 09:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

No, the comic states she's half-orc. Nothing is said about her other half.AMBER^(RΘCK) 00:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Are you positive about that? While I don't have the issue yet (the stores in this area are incredibly slow in stocking them as of late), I saw a scan of a sort of roster page from the issue where it states pretty clearly that Garona is half-draenei. --Maenos (talk) 00:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

The only way he's even debatably a "half-orc" is if Lantresor of the Blade is his father.  If his dad's an orc (unlikely) it's more than half; if his dad is something else, it's less than 50%.  He's the Warcraft Universe equivalent of what they call a "poi dog."
Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 21:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

"Half-elves are the hybrid offspring of both human and high elf, human and half-elf, or of two half-elf parents". A half-elf of human and half-elven descent would technically only be a quarter-elf, but they're still known as half-elves. So we can assume that the same things apply to half-orcs. Even if Med'an isn't exactly half and half then he should still be known as a half-orc. Unless there is some other label that applies to him, such as half-draenei. User:Jormungand01/sig 21:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree with Jormungand01 --N'Nanz (talk) 21:47, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

According to the respective hybrid pages, half-orcs are human/orc crossbreeds and half-draenei are orc/draenei crossbreeds. I'm changing his race to half-draenei accordingly (this also matches his mother's race). -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 02:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

is it just or a new series of questions shall arise to who Med'an species realyy is i mean we just found out about garona pedigree belonged too, now we have her child to found out , like mother like son :D--Manuel (talk) 12:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

That half-race thing is weird. For example, Garona should be half-orc + half-human. Telling things like half-draenei is half-draenei and half-orc is weird. Then, when we have a half-draenei+half-human, how do we call him? --Lon-ami (talk) 19:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Right now it's difficult to say, because we don't know who the father is. I would suggest leaving it as half-draenei for now, since he's definitely got characteristics of both orcs and draenei, and changing it at a later date if more information is revealed. User:Jormungand01/sig 21:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, what to call a draenei/human...a Freaky Hybrid, perhaps?  On a more serious note, my guess is that orcs would call a draenei/orc hybrid a half-draenei; draenei would call such a hybrid a half-orc; and other races would probably apply some term that translates to "teal."

I reiterate that unless Med'an's daddy turns out to be Lantresor, his draenic ancestry would still add up to either more or less than half.  And if it turns out that his father is Prophet Velen (there's actual speculation along that line)...I'm going to /headdesk repeatedly.
Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 11:47, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm just curious as to who his father is. If the recent issue seemed to hint, Med'an's father is human. Also Med'an's existence seem to change the events of The Last Guardian. (Omega2010 (talk) 22:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC))

I didn't see any hints in the comic that his father was human.  I didn't see any hints as to who or what his father was at all.
Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 02:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

That is the truth. I'll reiterate this: we'll have to wait for future comics in order to gain clues.AMBER^(RΘCK) 03:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I hate to sound a little ignorant/arrogant here, but why are we speculating/wondering who the father is? Med'an is half-draenei, his mother is half-draenei, why would the father be anything else? And before you start pulling the half-elf stuff on me, that's for half-ELVES. Just because humans and half-elves can get it on to make another half-elf doesn't mean it's the same with humans/half-draenei. For all we know, it could come out as a troll.

Once again, sorry if I sounded a little ignorant/arrogant, but I just don't see the point of the arguement. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 03:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

There is NO POINT in trying to speculate who the father is - he will probably appear in a later issue. I'm closing this discussion now. g0urra[T҂C] 12:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry Gourra, but there's just ONE little thing I wanna say before the discussion's closed.

Stop assuming that just because Lantresor is half-draenei, HE has to be the father in order for Med'an to be half-draenei. Lantresor is the only KNOWN half-draenei besides Garona and Med'an, not the only one. It's very possible that there are other half-draenei lurking out there that simply haven't been discovered yet. And it could be anyone. Hell, it could've even been some unknown brother for all the information we have.

Alright, as Gourra said, discussion over, nothing to see here, MOVE ALONG YOU! -points at a pair of gnomes- Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 20:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

No, Toran...you can't end on a parting shot.

You have completely missed the point:  I wasn't "assuming," as you claim, that Med'an's father had to be Lantresor; I was using Lantresor (who is, as you stated, currently the only other example of a half-draenei in the official canon) as an example.

Okay, now that that's been addressed, the discussion is closed.
Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 23:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

am i too bold to suggest... virgin birth? --Manuel (talk) 01:34, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Blizzcast: Medivh?

In the latest Blizzcast Metzen talked about how the Order of Tirisfal things are something they want to get into (along with hint hint hint)and he mentioned at the end about how interesting it would be if the new guardian wasn't a human at all. Seems to me he is hinting that Med'an would be the new guardian which would mean the father is Medivh. Leviathon (talk)

This would not have to mean at all that Medivh is Med'an's father: before Medivh there were tons of Guardians of Tirisfal and as far as information regarding succession is known, only once did the associated powers transfer from a parent to offspring.AMBER^(RΘCK) 12:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Well there has to be a transfer of power and Medivh was the last one. Just fits in perfectly with how things are right now and with what Metzen has hinted. Leviathon (talk) 03:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Half-creatures

Half-creatures.... This kinda debate goes back pretty far. Even Tolkien discussed the issue when discussing Elrond. Elrond was a half-elf, though technically he was a combinaton of different types of Elves, Maiar, and some Man. His exact percentages is unknown. Half-elven became his surname, and he chose to view himself as an Elf rather than Human (though he was allowed to choose between the two).

The point here generally means in fantasy, people never usually look at each other as "Quarter", "Eighths", etc. Instead, "half" takes more of a definition of meaning "partial" of something, no matter what the definition is. Of course in Hawaii I'd point to the example of Hapa, hapa. In which case a word derived from "half" can apply to any percentage of blood.

One can also note that in the true definition of half when describing something, this holds true, "half" can mean "partial something", not necessarily fractionally half (1/2). "(2): falling short of the full or complete thing : partial <half measures> <a half smile>"[2].

In other words something can be half of something without actually being mathematically half (1/2), as one definition is that it is "partial" something.

NOTE: IF I DIDN'T MAKE THIS ABUNDENTLY CLEAR IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE (AND BORROWED ENGLISH IN CREOLE AND PIDGINS) HALF CAN HAVE THE DEFINITION OF PARTIAL OR OF MIXED DESCENT", HAVING PART OR LESS THAN THAN SOMETHING, ETC. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THE MATHAMATICAL FRACTION WITH THE EXACT DEFINITION OF 1/2 OF SOMETHING.

Uh hmmm, sorry, but I hope this linguistic lesson proved to be helpful in some way. Yes, I admit truth can be stranger than fiction.Baggins (talk) 04:28, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and I should probably point out that by this particular definiton of half, hypothetically a peron could technically be "Half-norwegian half-japanese half native-american" (or name your favoite heinz 57). In other words the "Elrond" situation. I.E it has nothing to do with blood percentages.Baggins (talk) 04:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm half-ketchup. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! ^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 04:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

You are assuming that this particular definition of "half" is being used by Warcraft lore though. Before you say this or that person is or is not "half"-something because of "the true definition of half when describing something", it should be made clear if the definition is the same as the one being used by Warcraft. Hapa and hapa are not part of Warcraft lore. Rolandius (talk - contr) 05:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

If you aren't able to distingush between the reasons and the importance of using analogy in a discussion, then you really are quite a hopeless human being. Otherwise your comment is quite worthless. Books are written using the English language, and such English usage enters into the writing. Examples from RPG already point out that mathamatical percentage "half" is not always in use. The point here is "half' does have several meanings, and that both may fit under different contexts.

Its also an assumption to believe that half always means 1/2 and that the exact fraction is definiton being used by Warcraft Lore.

If you are trying to argue for the sake of argueing or are posted because of some kind of silly rivalry (i.e. In some lameass attempt try to discredit me, for who knows what reason), then BITE ME....

If you haven't noticed talk pages are based on alot of theorizing, speculaiton and assumptions, then you are obviously blind... Pointing out that fact doesn't get anyone anywhere. It always comes down to opinions. ...and opinons are like "asshles" everyones got one but thinsk everyone elses stinks... If all you have to say is "you are are assuming things", then shut up. Don't state the obvious... Don't be a hypocrite by attacking an assumption by making another assumption. So again I say BITE ME...Baggins (talk) 05:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I was just pointing out that you said above "I should probably point out that by this particular definiton of half" meaning to me that there is more than one definition and you were picking one of them as the definite one. If you have info that "Examples from RPG already point out that mathamatical percentage "half" is not always in use." then write those here so other readers can see them instead of it looking like you are guessing which one is correct. After you show that the RPG agrees with you, then you can go from there because your definition has sources in Warcraft lore. Instead, you just said look at Hapa and hapa for the right definition of half. So although you said I am making an assumption, you are making a bigger assumption by just using links to non-Warcraft sources. We know that there are many sources saying "half" means 50%. Also, you might want to work on your commenting as it seems you are just calling names at me instead of giving good arguments. It doesn't make you look good. Rolandius (talk - contr) 06:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

You obviously missed the point of my post completely (I'm pointing out that contradictions don't actually exist and doesn't necessarily retcon previous known information). You also don't seem to understand what an analogy is. ...also you missed the references in the earlier part of the thread (...and they didn't even bring up the Leoroxx/Rexxar/half-ogre sons? issue). Not to mention you don't understand the context of the posts I was constrasting above; if you had been one of the previous posters I made references to, you would be in a better position to understand. But you were late to the party... and taking my post out of context. I'm not going to try to explain this to you further, you are a waste of my time. I'm going to ignore you, like I said BITE ME. But if anyone else wants to add anything worth discussing, good.Baggins (talk) 06:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Baggins. In the English language "half" does not necessarily mean 50% when used outside of a mathematical context. And since the primary language of the Warcraft games is English, a reference to "half-orc" or "half-draenei" would follow the same rules. In terms of blood percentages Med'an might be 50% human, 25% orc and 25% draenei, but despite that the full name for his kind would be "half-human half-orc half-draenei". Maybe in Common he would be called something else, but that's beside the point because Common is replaced by English anyway. As is Orcish when playing from a Horde perspective. User:Jormungand01/sig 11:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

but why bother Baggins? we all know in fantasy a race wich usually has mixed blood is usually know as Half-breed (or half-something by the way half-breed is a deoragatory name used in our own world) there is nothing to worry about that why telling us that we all know that its what it is part of the High Fantasy such as TOlkien :D --Manuel (talk) 12:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Technically "half-breed" when used in the warcraft setting can be used both as a derogatory term (which we have seen examples in various stories) or as a technical term (classification in the rpg). If were were using it towards real life humans of mixed ethnic background it would be derogatory. Its ok to use it towards hybrid animals.Baggins (talk) 07:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

NOT Garona's Son?

Look at this. When the grey-skinned female (looks human, but I'm not sure) says "your son was bait, you were our target", Garona starts to reply "He's not my..."

The question: is she implying Med'an is not her son, is she tryign to protect him, or does it make sense in context? Xavius, the Satyr Lord 10:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

And in addition: is that really Garona? She looks different from the preview image (where she attacks Varian). Xavius, the Satyr Lord 00:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Good point, I've updated both articles with the ? next to the relations. Also that grey skinned female looks Forsaken to me.Baggins (talk) 00:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

She is just negating that because she doesn't want that anyone know ... then why was she pregnant in the issue 15? and why is she always negating that it's her son in the past chapter? Well ovbiously to protect him. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 00:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

"That half-orc, half-draenei boy over there? No, he's not my son, he's, uh, Lantresor's son! Yeah, Lantresor." Xavius, the Satyr Lord 15:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

She was in denial, obviously. g0urra[T҂C] 17:57, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

If Med'an isn't her son, someone else is.Baggins (talk) 18:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Finally I got my copy. Cho'gall told to Garona that there is no point in denying that Med'an is her son, so it's obviously her son. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 02:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Father

Med'an's parentage is made clear in WoW #19, in an internal monologue by Meryl Felstorm: "Light shine on me! Med'an looks like Aegwynn! That's who he reminded me of--! Can that mean his father--? But that's impossible. No... the timing's right. All these years, I've wondered -- should I tell Aegwynn? No, not yet. First, we get him back! I knew the boy had potential but not--no wonder that strange band attacked us!" Egrem (talk) 21:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like I got it half right when I postulated that Medivh was Garona's father... he's a father all right, just not hers. This also explains the name. Right, leave off the infobox for now. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I actually thought Med'an would be King Llane's son. Just imagine the story implications if the writers went that direction. However I think making him Medivh's son works and I'm hoping this will connect back to the Guardians of Tirisfal. (Omega2010 (talk) 06:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC))

The Guardians are gone, I think it would be a major lore foul-up if it turns out that Medivh wasn't the Last Guardian. ANyway, I think we should keep it out of the infobox, as it's still unconfirmed, but leave the mention in the article, obviously. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

The Council of Tirisfal is already announced as "back again" for the next tome, so The New Guardian should follow quickly.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 15:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Another Theory on his Father

Just throwing this out there, what if Khadgar is his father? He and Garona had a very friendly relationship, and they seamed about the same age. I haven't read The Last Guardian in almost a year now so I don't remember everything clearly.--User:Gwyain/Sig 20:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

You should check the forum... Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 21:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Father

It says "Medivh (father)". Is this 100% sure? Rolandius (talk - contr) 11:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

yes --N'Nanz (talk) 12:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't make sense. I read The Last Guardian and don't recall Garona being alone with Medivh for any length of time. Khadgar was around Garona more than Medivh. In fact, Medivh was not around much of the time because he would leave on his mysterious "trips". Rolandius (talk - contr) 13:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It is clear Blizzard desires for Med'an to play a pivotal role in the Warcraft universe. Perhaps he's going to be a major character in the next expansion, or the one thereafter or God knows when but apparently he's going to be a grand hero on par with Thrall. Because Med'an apparently means so much to Blizzard it shouldn't surprise you that Blizzard is willing to retcon a few things. They did that with the draenei and exhibitited a few interesting storytelling tricks to make the blood elves join the Horde. In short: Blizzard has done weirder stuff than backwardly granting Medivh and Garona some private time. Besides all of that, I invite you to read Secrets'. Besides Meryl's comments, Med'an has an amazing command over the arcane arts, almost unprecedented for someone his age. Almost? Yes, almost. Medivh was also known for his vast magical skills already available to him at a young age.AMBER^(RΘCK) 13:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

All it takes is ten or fifteen minutes of private time for these things to happen. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I have heard a rumor—only a rumor, with little to no support—that they're going to kill him off in issue #25 (the last issue of the current series).  Despite...certain opinions...that I have on Med'an, that would be rather sloppy storytelling.
Farseer Lolotea • talk • contrib

It should also be pointed out that Alleria and Turalyon were retroactively given a relationship and that Aegwynn was retroactively given a way to survive. And yes, Lolotea, that woul be VERY sloppy storytelling indeed. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Medivh spent a lot of time alone with Garona when she first arrived at Karazhan, to the point where Khadgar admits to feeling somewhat jealous. At one point, he attempts to spy on the two by summoning a vision of them. He crafts the spell to "Show [him] what is happening in Medivh's quarters." What he sees instead is Aegwynne waking up in Stormwind after spending the night with Aran and concieving Medivh. Since the "visions" Khadgar summoned generally did have something to do with his original request, I think it safe enough to say Garona and Medivh's relationship was implied here, though Khadgar himself does not seem to make the connection. Shadda (talk)

I'd say the situation that had been set up was convienent for this particular story, to the point blizzard didn't have to change anything in terms of timelines or the nature of the meetings mostly due to the book's (i would say fortunete) ambiguity on that subject. To say a relationship was implied however I would not call that safe. At no point does the literature give any hint that Medivh and Garona's relationship is romantic. We discover from Garona their meetings are sometimes frustrating in that she often doesn't understand what Medivh is talking about and requires her to do research in her part time. I don't see an easy transition from that to anything romantic. At best Grubb painted a picture of a professional relationship and mutual, yet platonic, admiration towards one another. The theory with the visions is an interesting one, yet I still doubt Metzen's or Blizzards intent was to set the stage for Med'an so to speak. Generaly when theres something in the works little hints are dropped along the way. Furthermore that intent seems to clash with one of Warcraft III's main messages which was that the world no longer requires Guardians. While it makes sense for Blizzard to change their minds on a particular matter, as it has in the comic, it doesn't make sense for them to have something on hold and during that time publish something whose message is a complete antithesis to it. So while the book itself remains completely reliable (in regards to this topic) the intended nature of their time spent together having become romantic i don't doubt was retroactive.Warthok Talk Contribs 07:04, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

If something, I would have say Garona and Khadgar could have ended loving each other, but Medivh? It made no sense, not at all. They just made it up to create a new Guardian. It's not even original, cause they completely copied the Aegwynn-Nielas relationship.

I it was me, I would have say Med'an was the son of Garona and Khadgar, "empowered" by Medivh. The Comic's depiction had nothing to do with the established lore.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:50, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Age Discrepancy

I noted a problem with Med'an's age and appearance. Since we know he is the son of Medivh and he died before the First War ended, that makes Med'an a young adult of about 20-30 years old. Now I know there is no clear timeline and calendar of events, but all the existing ones [[1]] seem to work around that. Thus Med'han must've been conceived and born at some point during the First War. But guess who else was conceived and born during the First War? Thrall. Doesn't anyone else see the inconsistency? Thrall is surely also 20-30 years old, yet more and more Blizzard makes him look and act like his 40, and Med'han looks like a teenager all throughout the comic when in reality they both should be if not the same age at least a few years apart. The First War started and ended around a period 3-6 years.

This is probably a result of Med'an's draenei heritage, as the draenei are incredibly long-lived and probably take several decades to reach maturity. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:07, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Is this really cannon?

Has Blizzard clearly stated that all the comics are cannon and that everything in them has/is coming to pass? -Visce (Jan 18th 2010)

Lets put it this way. If doubt of his canonocity was money you couldn't buy a stick of gum with that amount. Actualy you couldn't buy anything period. Yes he's canon. Blizzard doesn't publish anything that isn't.Warthok Talk Contribs 15:44, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Of course it's canon >_<. And if you still have doubts, just wait for the characters of the 3rf and 4th arc start appearing around. Cataclysm will introduce a good pack of them, no doubt.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:52, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Don't assume that just because Cat is coming, all the characters from the books and comics will be made into WoW characters. Blizzard *has* messed up several times when it comes to authors and characters, and it's very possible they'll do so again. With the current rumors flying about that Thrall will be the next Guardian in Cat, that would put him at direct odds with Med'an and the "lore." Speculation is just speculation, but don't assume that just because Blizzard's stamp is on it that it's all true. Still it's very possible Med'an will be put into the game, or at least brought into the lore "officially." But until he's confirmed in any real regard, it's wise to treat all comics and books as non-canon. Blizzard has free reign to choose whether or not whats printed becomes lore or not, even if they've said in the past that it's "officially" all canon. -Greymore June 22, 2010

Blizzard has never released a form of ancillary media and then declared a major portion of that to be non-canon; in fact, they have very explicitly said that all comics and novels are fully canon. Thus far the only non-canon character is a minor character from the RPG that was rumored to be related to a main character, and even she is only maybe/sorta non-canon. Assuming Med'an to be non-canon until proven otherwise would be directly contradictory to everything that's come thus far. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:21, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

While they might not have outright said "This isn't canon" how many things that have been written go against previous written material, in game material, and the like? Look at Kara, and to a lesser extent Medivh, for example. Theres a lot that gets written that contradicts itself (And doesn't get retcon'd), and they don't comment on it. And in those situations, what's "canon?" They've said that they avoid the word because of how difficult it is to allow writers the freedom to create while maintaining a consistent continuity. There's a general guildline, and they try to incorporate everything they can from the books into lore, but obviously things aren't always going to mesh. It's very likely Med'an will be mentioned, in some regard, though they could do with him what they did with Aveena. I still maintain that it's wise to not assume the characters will become canon, at least as far as WoW is concerned, without some sort of offical mention. I'm still waiting to see Rehgar, one of Thrall's "advisors" who is notably absent. -Greymore June 25, 2010

As much as things have been retconned or changed, they've never retconned away an entire major character. You strike me as wanting very much for Med'an to not exist and coming up with excuses as to why he might not. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:24, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Greymore this discussion is a non-discussion. He's canon, period. Furthermore as this page is to discuss editorial changes to the article and there isn't anything of substance here that could possibly change the article, i'd have to say take it to the forums.Warthok Talk Contribs 05:03, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Except a "his canocity is in doubt" line. Honestly, the fact that the entire world basically crumbled, the elements have gone out of whack and death rains from the sky, yet the person specifically appointed to prevent stuff like this hasn't made an appearance, does give a decent amount of doubt about his canocity Ijffdrie (talk) 00:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Conspicuous omission does not make him non-canon. Krasus and Rhonin are not fighting Deathwing, are they non-canon?--SWM2448 00:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually Krasus has been involved in the fight, but has died during the thrall novel. And unlike those two, Med'an has been specifically empowered to battle these sorts of threats. Ijffdrie (talk) 00:29, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Power

I am not sure how greatly this is addressed in the comics, but how is Med'an's power relative to Medivh's or past Guardians? He did not get his power from a group of seven powerful archmages like previous Guardians, but instead from an assortment of others from druids to mages to engineers. Would it be safe to say that on the whole he might have equal power, just more spread out, and not nearly as gifted in the arcane as his predecessors? Or by some part of the ritual unknown to me does he obtain the same magical might as previous Guardians? Would appreciate the help of those who actually read the comics and have a better idea of what's going on. jclipps (talk) 06:26, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

That's a point that was never really explicitly made clear. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:32, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Skin color

Why did he has green skin in some pics and yellow skin in another pics? which is his skin colour? Yellow or green? iI can't find an explanation for this. Thanks. PS: Sorry for my english, cause i speek spanish.--Inico (talk) 06:02, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

It's green; it just looks yellow in some pics because of the lighting. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:25, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Human, Orc and Draenei?

I'll lay fair odds on Med'an being the "child of the three realms" referenced by Cho'gall.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tejon (talk · contr).

You were right about that...but please sign your posts.
Farseer Lolotea • talk • contrib 10:17, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Cataclysm

Does anybody know if he might make an appearence in Cataclysm? Hallowseve15 (talk) 23:53, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

It's possible. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:00, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

He is dead in Cataclysm,that why Thrall is the new guardian of tirisfal...and also,there is the prophecy:"When the child of three realms(Med'an,the three realms can be either human,orc,draenei culture or arcane,nature,and holy magic) becomes as light(DIES),the ancient power will be released. The earth will tremble. The seas will rise up in answer, and all will be madness(Cataclysm). A new day will dawn, bringing with it chaos or peace." -- Sl2059 (talk)June 29, 2010

Thrall being the new guardian was a RUMOR that came from SOMETHING AWFUL, and not a very logical one at that (in the comics he declined being part of the New Council, and the rumor said that Malfurion Stormrage would appoint him despite being entirely unaffiliated with the Council of Tirisfal). Having read the comic issue where that quote appears, in-context it is very clearly NOT referring to Cataclysm. It is referring to Cho'gall's plan to sacrifice Med'an to resurrect C'Thun, a plan which was foiled when Med'an collapsed the Temple of Ahn'Qiraj on top of him. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:25, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Father

"Llane Wrynn I was the ruler of the Kingdom of Azeroth during the First War. He was the child of King Adamant Wrynn III and Lady Varia, and the father of King Varian Wrynn. He is also the grandfather of Prince Anduin Wrynn."

"Realizing that her vision had become a reality, she reluctantly carried out this task, and with a deep sadness, murdered King Llane, cutting his heart out. Llane's son, prince Varian witnessed the murder, but even years into his adulthood was confused as to why Garona had tears streaming down her face. At the time, she was pregnant with her son, Med'an."

Now I understand that this could have simply been edited. But putting two and two together, it would just seem that by her killing Llane, and CRYING while doing so... Wouldnt that make The father of Med'an being Llane, making his half brother Prince Varian? Also, I'm sure that would make Med'an 1/4 Orc, 1/4 Drenaei, and 1/2 human. Just saying, all pulled from this site. - --Tyler Spade (talk) 06:25, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

...Where do you get that Llane is the father just because Garona was sad to kill him? It's been explicitly stated that his father is Medivh (although you ARE correct about his heritage). Garona was sad about killing Llane because he had befriended her and treated her like an actual person, and yet she had no real choice in the matter and was forced to slay a man she called her friend. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 08:52, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, the article could probably use some considerable clarification and elaboration. It just sort of skims the surface and doesn't really give a great overview of the character or his personality, and particularily skims over the events of volume 3. It's stated several times by Aegwynn, Garona, Meryl, and Medivh himself, that Med'an is Medivh's son. Garona was crying over Llane's corpse because she was used as a sleeper agent by Gul'dan and was magically compelled to assassinate him, even though he had been a good friend to her. WoWWiki-Suzaku (talk) 12:29, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Quarter races?

Just asking, so now Quarter-orc and quarter draenei are official race names? Cause just pointing out that in fantasy, the name "half" never refers to exact percentages. It doesn't get split everytime some half-creature mates with another creature. Because each generation would be changing the amount of genes they received from there parents... If they did a half-race wouldn't last very long... Case in point if you look at Elrond (one of the most well known fantasy \), he was part human, part elf, and part maiar, but called half-elven... If it was by percentages who knows what it would have been. Even back when the discussed the issue in the RPG (it was never based on percentages...) the off-spring of a half-orc or half-elves were still known as half-orc and half-elves, no matter how far removed from the original ancestral coupling.

If quarter-orc and quarter-draenei are race-terms used in the official sources, then I won't make a fuss. But perhaps they should have articles, and citations? If they aren't official terms they do not belong in the racebox. We shouldn't be making up terms.Baggins (talk) 16:49, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

They're not being used as official races, but simply as descriptors (as that is, literally, what he is). There's also no reason to make articles about them, since as far as we know he's the only one in existence. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:43, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Then put the descriptions in the article. It confuses things if its placed in the racebox (which is there for races, not descriptions).Baggins (talk) 20:45, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

So what do we put in the racebox? Mutt? He's not an orc, he's not a draenei, and he's not a human. Half-human doesn't even really cover it, and he's never been referred to as such. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)