Talk: Gourra

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File name standardization schema

Gourra:

Several months ago, you advised me to be more specific in file names when uploading, yet today, you truncate the filename back down to what I was using before.

Please advise what standardization you want to use on this website, and where to locate such standardization guidelines so that I may use them for future uploads.

Ariule (talk)

I believe that describing the background and the race of the character is a bit too much

Just naming the file like the item (eventually followed numbers if we use multiple screens) seems fair enough.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 21:54, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

When I was doing just the item name a year ago, I was informed that it was not enough, especially when other items of kit were in the image. In addition, several images were deleted due to the thought that I was using an offline image editor. Does WoWWiki have a file name standards page that people can follow? It would be helpful if there was.

Ariule (talk)

Provide the item names and I might remember them. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:55, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

I am unconcerned with the past file names, I am wishing to set a standard for moving forward.

Ariule (talk)

As A'noob said, naming the file like the item is enough. --g0urra[T҂C] 00:29, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, cause this has been a while... you were first naming them something like staff and dagger, very generic names like that. Then you were asked to be more precise with the names, which is why you starting naming them very precise names.

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 02:02, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Your edit summary comment

As you said: A music video about gold farmers doesn't count.

... ... ...

^{[citation needed]} --ENG (talk) 13:43, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

If you don't consider that a music video, then I don't know what to say. --g0urra[T҂C] 13:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I mean about the part that it doesn't count. --ENG (talk) 13:58, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

A music video that jokes about gold farmers doesn't count as research about the subject. If you have a video about someone who has researched about the subject then go ahead, but a music video is not proper. --g0urra[T҂C] 14:02, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Rearranged many parts of the gold farming page, added some links to researcher sources. Still needs work. No comment on applicability of "music video" about gold farmers, though apparently Ge Jin has made documentary video (which I did not link to, but which may be available through the links I did add. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:54, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Dustwallow March

Tell me what you think about it.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 14:54, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Non-Enchanting Enchant Tooltip Syntax

While Enchantments with the type "Enchant", such as Enchant Weapon - Icebreaker, display a proper tooltip when moused over, Enchants of all other professions (properly following nearly the same syntax on the Embroid template) display only "no tooltip" error on mouseover. So, Leatherworking's Fur Lining - Stamina or Blacksmithing's [Socket Bracer] generate no tooltip, although their template syntax seems to be correct.

Is there a different term or syntax on either the link or item page to make the mouseover tooltips display properly? I can't seem to find a recipe listing page where the Embroid type of tooltip works correctly. Thanks! Joeartguy (talk) 21:00, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's wrong with it. Pcj is the guy'd want to talk with about this. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:06, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

And it's surreptitiously begun working again, apparently, as you can see in this very section... so hurrah and never mind. Joeartguy (talk) 21:41, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Here's the full list of wanted categories, which probably contains many more errors. --Elassint 19:12, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

hey u there

i need help im on the lich game part and it just looks like a screen saver wat do i do —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmuffick (talk · contr).

You are probably on the login screen. Have you typed in your account information to log in to the game? --g0urra[T҂C] 16:08, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

ya its just a blank screen exept for the dragona and like a city i cant do anything —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmuffick (talk · contr).

Does your login screen not look like this? (see the image to the right) --g0urra[T҂C] 16:14, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

ya its just the picture tho no boxes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmuffick (talk · contr).

Click the "Edit" link at this section to reply to this easier. Where did you get the game client? --g0urra[T҂C] 16:23, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

wow.com --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmuffick (talk · contr).

Stop feeding the troll Görra. --

09:44, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

New wowwiki layout

Has the layout for Wowwiki changed or am I going crazy? -- 15:05, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Probably just you ;) They are making some tweaks for the oncoming new version of the Wiki skins though, so things may move around a little. -=-

Drazisil [^t/_c] 15:16, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

It has changed for those who use Monobook. Apparently all skins default to Monaco right now. Let's hope it's just a hiccup. --g0urra[T҂C] 15:30, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

I hope so, I feel so lost with this skin, can't even find my Watchlist!

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 08:13, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

"The" Deadmines

In light of the request on the to-do page to move all of the pages that were in Category:Deadmines to Category:The Deadmines, do you think the actual pages for Deadmines and Deadmines (original) should be moved/renamed to follow this standard? — gilmoreja^Talk!≒_∁on! 16:10, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

No, articles will not use "The" as first. For example see Barrens and Category:The Barrens quests. --g0urra[T҂C] 16:20, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Template:USERNAME

I was wondering what javascript you've got running (and where it is located) that allows the Template:USERNAME to work properly? HooperBandP (talk) 18:59, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

It's in MediaWiki:Common.js: if (wgUserName != null) $("span.insertusername").html(wgUserName); --g0urra[T҂C] 19:16, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Frost Strike

Hi, with 4.0.1 about to go live, Frost Strike will become an innate benefit of choosing the Frost tree. You're a little bit late at adding it to Category:Death knight talents. Removed; please understand. :P Sarvam (talk) 07:24, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's still talented since you need to choose a talent to get it. Having an ability only in its class' ability category would imply that it's not talented. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:39, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Fishy User

I recently undid a change on the Server: Kil'jaeden US page... Someone uploaded and posted an inappropriate picture there, and I thought you would be best to deal with it... Also, for future reference, what should I do when I notice something like that, other than jumping on the nearest admin's talk page who may or may not be online? Tanooki1432 (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I deleted the offending image. If you see any more vandalism, you could join the #wowpedia IRC channel and alert any admins about it. --g0urra[T҂C] 22:02, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Vanguard of Valor

I created the page today, and you changed the title, which is of course fine! But if I now do a search for 'Vanguard of Valor', I get no results, which is kind of counter productive for the page's validity. Is there any sort of solution or will people have to actually search for guild;vanguard of valor? Saranini (talk) 10:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

There's a guild search on the Guild article. The default search does not include the guild namespace. --g0urra[T҂C] 10:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Well that's a shame, it was possible on wowwiki, but I won't pretend to know enough of this sort of thing to claim it should be possible here. Only that it detracts from the usefulness of even having a guild page featured here if looking for it will be so counter intuitive. People generally know what a guild is so I doubt many actually have the reflex of first looking up what a guild is before looking up an actual existing one. Just adding this so maybe in future you guys would consider changing that, but it is what it is and I'll live with it. Saranini (talk) 10:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

If it was possible on the WoWWiki search then this must be a bug. I'll look into it. --g0urra[T҂C] 10:48, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Not necessarily a bug, not necessarily working by design. I think it's just a config tweak, but I don't really know if we want to make it. --Sky (talk) 12:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Bags and Cataclysm

"In Cataclysm, bags that you loot and are non-BoP will be automatically equipped instead of taking up an bag slot."

I read this on an article (that you modified, to add this) and was wondering if any of the following applied:

1: You meant Non Binding

2: You meant "If you don't have 4 bags already"

3: "If its better than a current one"

4: It is BOP

You must agree, that if something is BOE and you loot it, and equip it, you automatically bind it to your character, making it impossible to give BOE items to alts, and essentially, making BOE into BOP. (Listing a source might be good too, if you don't know the answer yourself) Sraw (talk) 05:55, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

It seems like I was unclear. It works like this:

If you have a bag slot (not inventory slot) free and loot a non-BoP bag, you will automatically equip it
If it's a BoP bag you'll still get a dialogue but automatically equip it after agreeing to pick it up
If you have no bag slots left, the bag will be in your inventory
You'll still be able to un-equip the non-BoP bag by dragging it from your bag row.

I hope that cleared it up. --g0urra[T҂C] 06:14, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Still confused, because apparently if its BOE, you will bind it to you if you have a free bag slot open. Thanks for the other clarification though Sraw (talk) 06:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, the likely hood that you would encounter a BoE bag before filling up all your bag slots is rather low... they don't start binding until what? 18 slots? a few 16 slotters?

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 07:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

My friends and I specalize in getting 16 slotters out to all the nooblets, (

[Netherweave Bag]), and if it didn't care if you had all 4 or not, then that would severely gimp all BOE. Since most high level people will have all 4 slots filled, it wont matter for them, but I don't like the idea of a BOE bag becoming bound when you acquire it, without letting you have a chance to sell it or give it to another character. For instance (even though I doubt this would occur for me), if you were a tailor who strenuously leveled up to 350 tailoring, made some Netherweave bags specifically to sell, even though you don't have all 4 bag slots filled... would it force them to be bound to you? Sraw (talk) 07:36, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Non-BoP does not mean BoE. Non-BoP also includes bags that won't bind to you, such as

[Small Blue Pouch]. Note that it also says loot, not obtain or get, which are two different things. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Non-BoP means specifically that it isn't BoP, but it could be BoE or nonbinding. Automatically equipping nonbinding bags is all well and good, because you can simply unequip it and pass it along. The distinction on loot and obtain though, that changes everything. I guess I didn't know that the particular wording on that was that important, as it appeared to me to be an interpretation rather then a quotation. Thank you for clarification. Sraw (talk) 08:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Character Table Box

Hi - just wanted to say thanks for having the Character Table Box on your page which I shamelessly stole (giving you kudos of course). Let me know if you wanted a bigger credit, though. -- Celuur (Talk page | Contribs) 04:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I'm glad you like it. --g0urra[T҂C] 12:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

nowrap

Without span formatting such as template:nowrap there are window sizes where the gold piece symbol is line-wrapped to below the 5000. using the CSS in the template prevents this.

So, instead of sometimes seeing:

5000

you always see:

5000

I.E., even on a narrow screen, the second 5000 will never wrap in-between the number and the symbol. I would further argue that the cost template should have said css added to it. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 00:17, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I resized my browser window to check when this would be the case, and the lowest resolution where it wouldn't break was at about 900 pixels wide. I don't think that many users browse articles with that small resolution. --g0urra[T҂C] 00:22, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I noticed it, since I often use my widescreen monitor with two windows open, each using half the screen. Regardless of the effect on tables, the same thing happens in paragraphs even at much higher widths; without nowrap, the number can be at the end of one line, while the symbol is at the beginning of the next line.

The best solution with respect to the cost template (and related templates) would be to add "white-space:nowrap;" to the css in the template (which I can't do for the cost template)

Regardless there are other times when nowrap can be handy, such as infoboxes or other situations where split-information might be confusing.

—MJBurrage^(T•C) 02:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Your table format attributed accordingly *grins* (no actual user pages were harmed during this shameless rifling through the code). Sorry for locking you out whilst I looked up profiles and such... Tequima (talk) 15:12, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

(playable) v. (lore)

Hi there.

Recently I changed the naming convention on the two Worgen articles to make the default one relate to the playable faction, with the other being Worgen (lore). I asked about doing this on IRC (approx. half way down the page), met no objections, at least one person was in favour of it. Personally I'm a big fan of lore - I'm not biased against it - but I do expect more people to be interested in the article on the playable faction than reading up about the lore behind them as a species (or sub-species, whatever).

I wanted to leave it like that for a few days to see if I'd be met strong opposition on-wiki (as previously stated, I met none at all on IRC) and if that wasn't the case I was going to request community input on the same being done universally so that Worgen wouldn't be the exception. Having tried to get input before the move(s) - you may notice I was given assistance by an Administrator, and not the same one who encouraged me on IRC, either - I decided to give it a shot. It lasted all of twenty minutes before I was reverted wholesale by you.

While I've lurked on Wowpedia / WoWWiki for forever and a day, I'm far from actively contributing, so I'd like to know how I could have improved upon this to perhaps be more successful with future endeavors. Two administrators seemed open to my idea, not a single person disagreed with it, and then you reverted. Why? With an Administrator assisting me and so I can only presume thus at least semi-in favour of the idea, there would have been a consensus for the change at that time. I wouldn't be that disappointed, but you were in the channel at the time I asked for feedback, you didn't comment on it, while Mikk did - providing positive feedback. Hell, you were actively talking in the channel!

The way I read it there's two people (myself and Mikk) in favour of the idea, with Foxlit probably supporting it, and while you dislike it enough to revert it (without a talk page message or edit summary that I can locate) you didn't seem to dislike it enough to talk to me on IRC. It's nice to have input on ideas you're considering and not quite as nice to be reverted without a single word of advice on what to do differently. Why you would let me go ahead with it only to revert me, which is more work for you as well as me, I cannot fathom.

For the life of me I can't see what I did wrong. Before I began I got a consensus - a majority in favor if you dislike my idea (you've yet to say so) - and my efforts weren't seen worthy of a single edit summary or a courtesy message on my talk page? I understand there are uninformed edits that need to be corrected but it never hurts to have the courtesy to at least talk to the people who are editing in good faith. That you simply protected the page against future moves by non-Admins in the future - also without a reason attached - rubbed salt in the wound. I won't start an edit war about it but I'm quite tempted to ask for feedback - again - this time on-Wiki and seek to have your revisions undone.

I'll try one last time to get your input on this before considering if I raise another discussion on it or not, though I do wonder if you'll bother to talk to me this time. A F K When Needed 21:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

If you're going to raise a discussion then do it on the forums and raise a vote. We'd rather not try making these decisions on IRC. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Fan Quest

Gourra, may i ask for the reason for this edit? Can i not add the elinks template and set the quest id to 0. I had made it so it would look more like an in-game quest. - Aedror (talk) 16:39, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Because it would give the appearance that it could be an in-game quest, YMMV. By the way you shouldn't use {{DEFAULTSORT:}}, {{questbox}} automatically does the categorization. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Requiring admin move

Well, just wanted to ask you if you could update [Mythical Mana Potion] with Mythical Potion for some reason the name wasn't up-to-date so i just recognized it right now that it is named [Mythical Mana Potion] and not just Mythical Potion, Thanks. Hati~ (talk) 15:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Icons

OK, I'm probably going to look like an idiot for asking this, but is there a list of icons that I can see when creating a new items page so that I can choose the correct one right off the bat? I'm sure there is a much easier way than typing "|icon=INV_Plate_Legs_01" then hitting the "Preview" button, then changing the number and previewing until I finally the correct item icon to use. I've been looking and can't find a help category on this. Thanks! Nathtaleth (talk) 17:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll post it again, Wowpedia:WoW Icons/Icon List/Images. It should be a complete list of icons. - Aedror (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Nathtaleth (talk) 18:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you fix [Pyroblast]?

Someone moved it to [Pyroblast]. -- Fandyllic (talk · contribs) 5:24 PM PST 9 Dec 2010

Article name

Please could you move To All The Squirrels Who Cared for Me to [To All the Squirrels Who Cared for Me]? 2nd one is how it appears in-game. --Grynd (talk) 20:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Image Deleteion Request

Please delete the image "Devra Marie". I have already uploaded the correctly spelled "Deva Marie" image for this NPC. If there is a "fast delete request" link, I was unable to locate it and would be happy to use such in the future. Ariule (talk)

Freedom of information on reasons for policies / DNP policy in specific

Hi, found you via Special:Listusers/sysop, I am new here but not new to wikis :)

I would be interested in hearing any feedback admins have to this: Wowpedia_talk:DNP_policy#Reasons_for_policies.3F (figured it's probably not a page that is read/used much so I'm messaging you all, I couldn't find a noticeboard page though I found what looks like a rather out-of-date list of admins hehe) --Kittymew (talk) 14:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Hey, just wanted to get your opinion on Talk:Archbishop Benedictus about whether or not the "he staged a coup" note from patch 1.4.1 should be considered lore or not. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Unique Forsaken Human

I=Do you know who that unique forsaken human name is, she looks like a human with undead features? Hallowseve (talk) 17:04, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Tol'vir Archaeology Fragment

The image named File:Trade archaeology titan Fragment.png is used for the [Tol'vir Archaeology Fragment], but the image in-game is not that on wowpedia. I do not know how you go about adding/updating icon images, but could you either advise me, or update the icon? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:02, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I've updated it now.. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Horde Bias and alliance bias

I know you deleted it and all, but do you have a copy i could have? i found it funny enough, and i need a laugh once in a while...--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:58, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean by no Source???

Seriously Wtf, how does it not have no source, just check the page Ancient, besides we use this template to mark subspecies, i don't get what the problem now...--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:38, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Everything written about Gallywix was a huge part of the starting zone

Play through it, watch a youtube video, or read about it before you put ^{[citation needed]} on every word. And If you still don't believe me somehow, heres some lines from Rosenberg.

http://www.dailymetagame.com/Articles/ArticleDetail/tabid/68/ArticleId/65/The-Portal-The-Greedy-Goblin-Gallywix.aspx

"Then Deathwing wakes up and causes chaos. Mount Kajaro, the dormant volcano on Kezan, erupts. Panic ensues. There are those that lose their heads in the chaos – most likely killed by the pirates hired by Gallywix himself to ransack party guests in order to add to his own wealth – and there are the cartel bigwigs such as yourself. You all keep yourself calm, you loot enough money to pay the fee that Gallywix is charging for you to get on the only boat off the erupting island which he obviously owns, and you look like you are going to safely escape."

"You're a big hero...and Gallywix hates it! He was afraid of you claiming his title, which the Cartel was already considering removing from Gallywix, and now you showed him up in front of your new allies. He claims that he will get revenge, and storms off in an escape rocket before the rest of you."

"Of course, Gallywix, who has proven himself to be a tremendous failure as a leader and as backstabber, will be thwarted by you in the later quests that conclude the Lost Isles storyline. He continues his dirty tactics, enslaving survivors of the Bilgewater Cartel and even attempting to kill Thrall. Even during your climactic showdown against Gallywix, he tries to fight you off until it appears he is going to die." Copperblast (talk) 16:49, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, the citations still have to be provided. It's not enough to state "this is what people say, you're a moron for not knowing it yourself". --g0urra[T҂C] 17:06, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not saying "you're a moron" but I think its very silly considering how much we've talked about it, its importance in the goblin starting zone and I just provided some citations. You want more, fine but please play through Kezan and the Lost Isles or watch a playthrough of it. Copperblast (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I've played through it. Still doesn't mean that you don't have to provide citations. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

If you've played through it, you know everything written on the page happened then. But fine here's some quests. http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:The_Gallywix_Labor_Mine http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Southseas_Scum http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Brute_Brutality http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Final_Confrontation http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Shredder_Shutdown http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:The_Uninvited_Guest http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Pirate_Party_Crashers Copperblast (talk) 17:27, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Put the citations in the article then, if you know them so well. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Item rename

Please move Sen'jin Tabard to [Darkspear Tabard]. The Darkspear Tabard isn't a new item, it was just renamed. --Grynd (talk) 04:48, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Festive Teal Pant Suit

Noticed you changed a number of items, this one among them. Your change rearranged tooltip lines, and removed a {{mode}} entry, along with vendor and sell lines. I am pretty sure the item is still sold, so I'm wondering which of these changes were intentional and thus why you made the change. Would you enlighten me? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

{{{mode}}} is no longer required in tooltips, and vendor and sell lines does not stay when you update items with the script. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:06, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Kinda guessed that would be the case. Whose script is it? (Where is it?) If it is killing vendor/sell because it is completely rewriting the tooltip, SOMEONE must be maintaining it. And I can only imagine that a more elegant script would be possible that merely removes the mode tag without having to rewrite the rest of the tooltip entry. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily RemovedFromBeta

I've been going through a few Mt Hyjal quests, and I've found something curious... On or about November 20, 2010, you went through these quests (presumably with a bot) and at least for the two quests (so far) that I've found, the first reward item was properly categorized, unstubbed; the other items were marked "removedfrombeta". Similarly, a quest item for one of the quests was incorrectly marked "removedfrombeta". Most recent quest: Get Me Outta Here!

At this point, only you have a hope of knowing the scope of this error, or of finding a way to repair the damage in a mechanical way. I'll continue re-marking things as I go, but that's a ponderous route, and prone to missing things. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:35, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I marked them as removed from beta since I didn't get those quests when I was in the area, or some didn't follow the updated chain of quests. Since then I've heard reports that some weren't removed and people are welcome to revert the changes I did. I didn't bot anything, not sure why you think that. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:49, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Thought you had because it was unusual for one item of a set of quest rewards to be marked stub (or not stubbed), but for the others marked "removed". It seemed more likely a program sort of error, is all. Er, and not so much the QUESTS 'removed', as rewards. As well, I've run across at least one "bi-faction Hyjal quest" with different reward items per faction. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Template:Orcs

You should wait for people to finish what they're doing before starting to revert everything... and read the commentaries before continuing with the removals: http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Template:Orcs&curid=94448&action=history

So, please, revert cleanup, replaced: {{Orcs}} → {{Orc clans}} from all those clans with the bot until we reach a decision.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Lor'themar

Hey there, just wanted your opinion on something - the Lor'themar article (specifically, the shadow section) deals with some major character building (and what little character building he gets, in brutal honesty), and for that reason it's a little difficult to cut down on it too harshly - the story itself was a fairly long piece of writing dealing with his actions and thoughts quite intimately. For that reason, I'd love to know if there's any particular areas you feel I should cut out, as the quality itself would suffer with the main points already outlined. Grissom (talk) 14:20, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Quick deletion without discussion

I’m quite disappointed that you chose to almost immediately remove the new category “Pacifist” that I added, without any discussion of it’s value to the community. There is a tiny, but growing, sector of WoW players who are running characters in the pacifist mode and I think providing information relevant to that play style would fit in well on Wowpedia.

While the two pages I’ve created so far would fit in a guides category as you suggested, the function I intended when creating the new category (as I discussed on the talk page of the now deleted category) included much more than that — especially the adding of quests suitable for pacifists to the category (which would not be appropriate in a guides category).

Please consider reinstating the category or explaining why I’m wrong.

Thanks. —Nagrand (talk) 09:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Right now I see two blogs, and one forum thread about a player who decides to be a pacifist, which makes it hardly notable. The quests, abilities etc. that you consider "pacifistic" could be added to your pacifist guides. Didn't mean to step on any toes, but consider it. --g0urra[T҂C] 09:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Problem with AutoWikiBrowser

Hi Gourra! I'm an administrator of Grand Theft Encyclopedia, a Wikia wiki dedicated to Grand Theft Auto saga. I'm writing this message because I have a problem with AWB, and reporting this in the Wikipedia discussion I notice that you had the same problem (here your report) in the past. By this reason I'm talking with you. Do you finally find any solution to this f**** bug? --Myself (talk) 20:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi! Why don't reply me with my problem? --Myself (talk) 23:04, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure why it started working suddenly. Either it was the version of AWB (make sure you have the latest version), or it was the URL. Double-check both. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:18, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Dragoflight footer template

I turned the various dragonflight templates into one dragonflight footer but it seems it has broke significant number of articles, do you have a bot that could correct them or at least tell me which articles are broken?--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:46, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

You have to use {{Dragonflightfooter}} first, for example {{Dragonflightfooter|Red Dragonflight}}. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:52, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

No, you misunderstand i already know how to solve the broken articles. i just want to know if you have some sort of bot, that fixes it or tells me which are broken so i can do it.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:03, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Red Dragonflight. --g0urra[T҂C] 18:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks i finished all the broken articles that had the old dragonkin or dragonflight templates.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:42, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Battle Standards

you keep reveting my edits which is ok if you have another way to fix this page http://www.wowpedia.org/Battle_Standard Sexybobo (talk) 22:40, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Place new comments questions at the bottom of talk pages. And I fixed it for you Sexybobo.

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 22:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I did say why I made the change though so to revert them with out trying to fix the other problem. Sexybobo (talk) 22:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

You made no mention at all of the article. --g0urra[T҂C] 22:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Stormpike_Battle_Standard&action=history Sexybobo (talk) 22:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Crusading to the conflict

Please check Template talk:Wars and help to divulge my proposal.

Is that supposed to encourage editors?

I don't consider it particularly appropriate for you to swoop in out of the blue and not only revert my user-talk page, but to lock it for a month so that I cannot clean it up, clarify the text, or even respond! Nor am I aware of what sacred rule I've apparently broken, even after reading the "user talk guidelines page", to deserve being barred from editing my own page. You've taught me a very memorable lesson, but it probably wasn't the lesson that you thought you were teaching. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Farmbuyer (talk · contr).

Creating patch 4.1.0A

Sorry, I am messing things up because there is a new patch between 4.1.0 and 4.2.0. See http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2732043. My apologies. Hans Kamp (talk) 18:22, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem. --g0urra[T҂C] 18:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Horde article

I am informing all recent contributors of the Horde article that it has been locked for cleanup. We welcome any and all discussion on the Horde talk page once cleanup has begun. This is to insure everyone who has been editing the article will be happy with it, or at least meet a compromise on certain subjects, so the edit warring can be put to an end. Thank you, Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 19:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Summoned Old God

Why is the Summoned Old God being on {{Old Gods}} "Speculative"?[1]--SWM24 48 05:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Can you tell me why?

Is there a reason you've deleted my hard work that I've posted about our guild and guild rules on http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Guild:Windsong_(Wyrmrest_Accord_US)&action=history ? Savaena (T C) 11:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The removed information was deleted per the guild pages policy, including the reason that Wowpedia pages are not intended to be a replacement for guild sites. --g0urra[T҂C] 11:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha, thanks for letting me know. I'm checking out the guild page info now to make sure I know what can be up there. =)

Savaena (T C) 06:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Warcraft III

I didnt understand u. Why? {{WoW}} has no category Category:World of Warcraft. So {{Warcraft III}} must not have Category:Warcraft III. Say me a reason u did this undo. --Askarmuk (talk) 14:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Plz dont ignore me. I dont like when people starting ignoring when talking about simple things. --Askarmuk (talk) 20:54, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

g0urra is in Sweden - a different timezone from you. Give him ample time to respond. ~Eiorwryn 05:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Gem changes in Cata

I notice you were responsible for moving or redirecting (= deleting) gems that were changed, renamed or removed because of stat changes in Cataclysm. I was wondering if you were working from a master list you could share with me. I still need to update the various jewelcrafting designs pages to match and I've been unable to find any definitive list of name / colour changes, or when two gems now share the same stats which one was kept. I could slowly work it all out, but had a full list it'd certainly be faster! Thanks for your help :) --W.woods (talk) 02:28, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Compare categories such as Category:Green socketable gems with Wowhead. Rinse and repeat with other colors. --g0urra[T҂C] 09:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Admin

Passing on the Admin list, I found User:Telshin: a zero contribution admin!

Who or what is it? Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 12:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. He seems to be related to Curse: http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 --g0urra[T҂C] 13:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Would like to interview you

Hi Gourra,

I’m continuing my research (on WoWWiki and WoWPedia) this summer and hope to interview several of the core contributors about their experiences. Would you be available for an interview at some point this summer?

I also wanted to share an article of mine about WoWWiki that was recently published; you can find it linked to from my user page (happy to send you pdf, if you like). For the most part it talks about the writing processes of the community and how members work well together because of shared attitudes and beliefs about writing on a wiki. If you have any questions or feedback, I’d love to hear it.

Thanks for considering this. If you're interested in participating, you can contact me here via email <tinyurl [dot] com/5ug7gqq>. Dakhma (talk) 14:38, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Editcount Special Page vs. Editcount Template

Have noticed a discrepancy in count when examining the Editcount speical page for a user compared the editcount template. As of this entry, your count is off by more than 3k.
This is of course a completely trivial item on the task list of things to investigate, but wanted to make you aware of it. Ariule (talk) 23:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm well aware of that it differs a lot. Probably has to do with that I did edits on Wowpedia before the final data merge was done. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

That would also explain why my and Howbizr's numbers are off as we were all on-board back on the other site as well. Ariule (talk) 23:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Dragonspawn RPG

I saw that before the only reason i didn't add the rpg info is because they are actually in wow(dragonspawn with the same name in wow) so it's not exclusive to the RPG, and those 3 articles need to be slightly redone.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

But only Scalebane and wyrmkin, the only mention i can found in wow for flametongue is Baleflame --Ashbear160 (talk) 13:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Scalebane may be in WoW, but there's not WoW info on the article. The RPG description of wyrmkin differs a lot from how they are in WoW. --g0urra[T҂C] 13:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I can add wow info in those articles but it will pretty insignificant

"Wyrmkin are a type of dragonspawn, with breasts and slender figure and shorter snouts, with a proficiency for Spellcasting"

"Scalebanes are a type of dragonspawn, with a more figure robust and longer snouts, usually armoured for close combat"

This of course is all observations from wow, we can't just make the whole article non-cannon when they exist in wow, of course this will probably dwindle to Wyrmkin=Female Dragonspawn scalebane=Male Dragonspawn--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd prefer that you provide citations instead of observation. --g0urra[T҂C] 14:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I literally just looked at the models, and saw their skills (and skins...), however this discussion should be continued on RPG forum thread i posted a section there for these mostly rpg but still in wow articles--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired (2)

Your opinion is desired on this topic.

Thank you.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 07:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I've also gotta ask Gourra, how is it the older version better than the current version? just saying it's better without pointing out any reasons for being better it's a bad argument.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:04, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Shorter names that is more to the point. Organization sections that makes more sense to the average reader (storm giant under giant). --g0urra[T҂C] 15:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

And what of the points i made? are you just going to ignore them in favour of a broken system?

And the fact that storm giants are a organization inside the "titan" organization(or team titan like someone else said) is that going to be ignored to?

I'll also cite Lon-ami because what he said before illustrates why the previous version didn't work

I think Organization/sandbox is better than the current version. Current version is simply wrong, because we repeat headers (races) and we can't classify multiracial organizations properly. A hierarchy is the way to go, imo.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:07, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

At least before being set to vote the older version should be put under a sandbox and corrected.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

1. The vote is in progress. Nothing has been clearly decided yet. 2. Put your opinions about my view on the talk page and not here. --g0urra[T҂C] 15:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll probably lose because people hate me, and i putted it here because i wanted to see your problems specificly.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:53, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Alliance and horde organizations

If goblins had their own Goblin organizations article why can't the alliance and horde have their own considering it's bigger?--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:04, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

You basically just made a link to another article and removed the whole article. It would be better to use a {{main}} link to the Alliance organizations, while keeping the "main" organizations under the Alliance one - replacing a section with just a link that says "Hey, if you want to see any Alliance organizations, follow this link" is not the right approach. --g0urra[T҂C] 15:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Ok then what of my suggestion to keep the member states in the main article and the smaller sections of those member states in the alliance organizations? i'll do a small edit just to show how it would look.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:36, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Like i've just done, if you like it tell me and i'll make the other 2 articles, if you've got problems revert it to the previous version and tell me what's wrong.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:48, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll make the two articles ina hour if you don't answer just so it doesn't have red links--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:09, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Well i changed it according to your suggestion, i hope you're okay with this version.--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you think i should do the same for other "big" faction organizations?(Scourge, Burning Legion, Illidari and Old Gods' forces which are big enough)--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Dragonkin review

Thanks for helping with the picture thing in the black whelp page, but please leave the type sections there they are to be filled out slowly(mostly because wowhead removed the tool that would make this much easier)--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Elemental ascendant

The reason types where there and the section is named notable is because, it's made to simulate this page so all creature articles share the same standards.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

What standard? Did you come up with it? You're confusing "Notable" with "Named" - how are all of those notable? --g0urra[T҂C] 18:35, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

The same in the Fire hawk that i have been applying to all pages like it due to how good it is, and i think coobra came up with it, they are notable because they stand out from others by being a character rather than a mook--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:46, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I see notable and named often the same... unless there's several named ones, then notable is something for named ones that are more important (notable) than the others.

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 01:14, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think there's any need for named in a section, because notable already covers it, is that also what you mean coobra?--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I want to know where these all-encompassing standards came from.-SWM24 48 19:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Copying the fire hawk article design after the article was fully done, it's simply the best design i see in the wiki, so i'm applying it to most outdated articles, if you come up with a better design tell me.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:38, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

"Paladins as Tanks" article

Hi, I noticed your numerous changes to the above article, and while I appreciate them, I had flagged in my user page that a rewrite of this article was a project I was working on. I'm not complaining that the article has been made more correct, it just feels like my toes have been stepped on a little. :-/ Calm Mind (talk) 08:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Apologies, that was not my intention. --g0urra[T҂C] 09:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

No worries mate, not sure if I did the right thing in flagging it as a project on my user page anyway to be honest, I'm fairly new to editing around here and not completely au fait with how it all works! Have people already pre-picked projects that they are working on, or is it just a case of noticing that something needs a rewrite, flagging it up and getting on with it? Calm Mind (talk) 11:57, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Not really, there aren't any such projects at the moment (as far as I know). My own projects are things that I've been working on, and quite frankly not what people are comfortable to edit. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Mists of Pandaria

In theory, anyone could do a search of the United States trademark registry and see that the trademark has been filed. Not that I'm endorsing mass speculation on the issue, I'm just pointing out that the information is freely available without datamining. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

It's speculation and nobody knows what it means. It doesn't belong here - yet. --g0urra[T҂C] 01:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Any speculation as to the meaning absolutely doesn't belong, no. But I don't see anything wrong with a simple note on the Pandaria page that states only that the trademark has been filed. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Addendum: And then make Mists of Pandaria a redirect to said note, and protect the page. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:39, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Command Structures

I am not angered or anything but im just curious why you deleted the Article. MoneygruberTheGoblin (talk contribs) 18:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

It's in the delete description. There's no need to have the command structures on a separate page. --g0urra[T҂C] 18:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I question the need to have them at all. They're full of speculation on who is in charge of whom and serve mostly as just pointless lists of every single member of that faction ever. I'd say they were fulfilling a certain user's obsessive-compulsive need for organization, but they've been around for much longer than that. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:40, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree with him.

MoneygruberTheGoblin (talk contribs)

18:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)