Changes: Majordomo Executus

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Previous discussions archived:

User talk:TherasTaneel/Archive01 (8 August 2008 - 27 August 2009)
User talk:TherasTaneel/Archive02 (28 August 2009 - 27 August 2010)

User:TherasTaneel/Mulgris

Looks broken. Is that the template, or because I'm on the beta skin? -=- Drazisil [^t/_c] 03:27, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Mmm, I made the page before the character had reached level 10; before it is shown on Armory, that is why it appeared broken. TherasTaneel (talk) 14:31, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Hello.

I just wanted to solicit your opinion on whether Instancefooter should replace {{Dungeons}}} or not.

Thanks.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 06:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Includes in faction disambiguated quest

Please do not put <onlyinclude> in quests that have a Horde and Alliance version - {{Faction disambiguation}} transcludes the quest pages which means that any <onlyinclude> will break how it looks. I've reverted your changes to Quest:The Master's Plan (Alliance) and Quest:The Master's Plan (Horde). --g0urra[T҂C] 20:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

oh, right. Sorry didn't know before now, thanks. TherasTaneel (talk) 20:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

New and bold

Why does everyone put 'stub' tags on the new pages they create? For instance Tiki Target is... rather unlikely to need expansion. Why would I prompt someone to help expand it? I'm trying to learn policies and such.

Aramak (talk) 00:39, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, most of the new pages these days are about the new contents. Some people leave pages stubbed to ensure the next viewer is advised that the article might lack information.

For the policies look [here]. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask and I'll answer them to the best of my ability. TherasTaneel (talk) 00:48, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Freedom of information on reasons for policies / DNP policy in specific

Hi, found you via Special:Listusers/sysop, I am new here but not new to wikis :)

I would be interested in hearing any feedback admins have to this: Wowpedia_talk:DNP_policy#Reasons_for_policies.3F (figured it's probably not a page that is read/used much so I'm messaging you all, I couldn't find a noticeboard page though I found what looks like a rather out-of-date list of admins hehe) --Kittymew (talk) 14:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Would like to interview you

Hi TherasTanell,

I’m continuing my research (on WoWWiki and WoWPedia) this summer and hope to interview several of the core contributors about their experiences. Would you be available for an interview at some point this summer?

I also wanted to share an article of mine about WoWWiki that was recently published; you can find it linked to from my user page (happy to send you pdf, if you like). For the most part it talks about the writing processes of the community and how members work well together because of shared attitudes and beliefs about writing on a wiki. If you have any questions or feedback, I’d love to hear it.

Thanks for considering this. If you're interested in participating, you can contact me here via email <tinyurl [dot] com/5ug7gqq>. Dakhma (talk) 15:35, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Your opinion is desired on this topic.

Thank you.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 07:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Names

"source yes, names previously deemed not in the wiki spirit." Could you direct me to this "already done" discussion? I believe in thorough attribution. If someone provides a fact, you may have cause to return to the source of that fact. Names help that. Same principle holds for pictures. If names were not appropriate for wikis, edits would not be personally identifiable. (And yes, I can name at least one way that could be made practical regarding vandalism.) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

It was in a discussion when Kirkburn at some point uploading images for Cataclysm or perhaps it was WotLK. He once in the beginning of WoW said to an editor that it was not in the spirit of the wiki to include names. If I eventually find it again I'll post it here, but for now, let's go with thorough attribution, as facts tend to get lost on other websites. Well, and the other qualities you mentioned. TherasTaneel (talk) 21:08, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Apologies. Didn't mean to come at you quite as forcefully as rereading that sounds. Still, I do feel strongly about it. If someone barks, we can chew it over again and see how people feel nowdays. I wonder if the original context might have been along the lines of giving an individual credit for an article? No idea. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I seem to recall a similar discussion coming up back when Wikia announced that all images would display the name of the uploader. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I think that was the idea back then as you say. Hmm, strange, some order must be upheld, how did they keep track of the images in those days? TherasTaneel (talk) 22:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

It's always said who uploaded it in the file history; Wikia's change was that image attribution would be automatic on the image everywhere it was displayed. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

In this case, it's second-order attribution; who uploaded it to wowhead, vs who uploaded it to wowpedia. But yeah, history file has always shown uploader ID. Just not as a required part of the page the image is used on. I've seen a wiki or two that did that kind of attribution. It seemed curiously prominent to me. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Image name changes

I noticed that you moved File:TagarWow.jpg to File:Tagar Spinebreaker.jpg, and while the name change is good, it broke one of the images at Template:User Server/NYI. Please check what links to the files before you rename them. --g0urra[T҂C] 00:28, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Strange I missed that, sure. TherasTaneel (talk) 00:34, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Archaeology Fragment

Noticed your mass change to various archaeology fragment pages, transcluding Archaeology Fragment. The change you made gives me the willies. I would rest much easier if you made a template holding the particular patch change note, and included it on Archaeology Fragment as well as the individual types. This allows individual new patch changes to be reflected where appropriate rather than simply propagating the whole section out of the "source page". That is, a change to Night Elf Archaeology Fragment wouldn't automatically affect Vykrul Archaeology Fragment. Also, it avoids having section headers included as part of a transclusion.

If you agree but would really prefer I do the change (since it is my own bugaboo), let me know. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:21, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Darkmoon Card defaultsort

Please note that when you do a {{DEFAULTSORT:}}, it will also be applied to any other category that the item is in. This is why you should sort it only in the Darkmoon Cards category. --g0urra[T҂C] 10:36, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

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+:''Previous discussions archived:
-{{npcbox
+:* [[User talk:TherasTaneel/Archive01]] (8 August 2008 - 27 August 2009)
-|name=Majordomo Executus
+:* [[User talk:TherasTaneel/Archive02]] (28 August 2009 - 27 August 2010)
-|image=executus.jpg
-|level=??
-|type=Boss
-|race=Flamewaker
-|location=[[Molten Core]]
-|instance=Molten Core
-}}
+== User:TherasTaneel/Mulgris ==
-At the top of the elemental hierarchy, just beneath [[Ragnaros]] himself, resides '''Majordomo Executus'''. This flamewaker gained his exalted status by proving to be nearly invincible in the battles that raged within the elemental plane. Rumor has it that Executus supplanted [[Baron Geddon]], and the two have been rivals ever since. Although this rumor has yet to be confirmed, there is certainly no doubt that Ragnaros does not tolerate failure. Thus, the lesser [[flamewaker]]s (and, of course, Baron Geddon) eagerly await a misstep by Executus, anticipating their chance to vie for the coveted attention of the Firelord.[http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/wow/en/teaser/molten_core/]
+Looks broken. Is that the template, or because I'm on the beta skin?  -=- <span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 1em;">[[Image:IconSmall_DrakeAzure.gif]]&nbsp;[[User:Drazisil|Drazisil]] [<sup>[[User talk:Drazisil|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Drazisil|c]]</sub>]</span> 03:27, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
-Executus will only be spawned after you have defeated all the other bosses in Molten Core and doused the runes using [[Aqual Quintessence]]. You obtain the Aqual Quintessence by gaining Honored status with the [[Hydraxian Waterlords]], and completing the quest chain ending with [[Quest:Hands of the Enemy|Hands of the Enemy]].
+:Mmm, I made the page before the character had reached level 10; before it is shown on Armory, that is why it appeared broken. [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel#top|talk]]) 14:31, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
+==Your opinion is desired==
-Executus comes with 4 healers and 4 elite guards, making this a total of a 9 enemy encounter. Executus will "submit" and the fight is won when all the adds are dead. He then appears in Ragnaros' chamber and will summon the Firelord to begin the encounter.
+Hello.
+I just wanted to solicit your opinion on [[Template talk:Dungeons#Abandon Dungeons to Instancefooter|whether]] '''Instancefooter''' [[Template talk:Dungeons#Abandon Dungeons to Instancefooter|should replace]] {{t|Dungeons}}} [[Template talk:Dungeons#Abandon Dungeons to Instancefooter|or not]].
-==Attacks and abilities==
-===Majordomo Executus===
-*Does not hit particularly hard, but must still be tanked as he can do serious damage to the lower armor class characters in the raid.
-*Aegis of Ragnaros : Majordomo frequently casts this spell on himself, absorbing 30,000 damage, reflecting 250 damage on successful melee attacks, and healing himself to full. This means that it is literally impossible to kill him.
-*Shield : The shield spells last for 10 seconds before fading. Majordomo will give the shield to all his followers.
-**Purple Shield – While this shield is up, up to 100 melee damage per hit reflects back to those inflicting it.
-**White Shield – While this shield is up, Each magic attack has a 50% chance to reflect back to the attacker.
-*Teleport – Any enemy Majordomo is engaged with can be targeted with this random spell that teleports its target into the nearby fiery pit of Molten Core. There is nothing to counter this ability aside from running back. You'll also get randomly hit with 1-2K fire damage while standing on it, so move out quickly. Whoever has been teleported to the center should be overhealed as not to die.
-*Blast Wave – A damaging area of effect flame attack which hits nearby players with moderate fire damage.
+Thanks.
-===Elites===
-[[Image:Majordomo Executus.jpg|thumb|right]]
-*Hits a tank for 800 - 1000 damage
-*Fire Blast deals 900 - 1200 fire damage
-*Shield – Same as Majordomo.
-*Blast Wave – Same as Majordomo.
+{{User:A'noob/sig}} 06:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
-===Healers===
-*Shield – Same as Majordomo. Do not have your groups' mages cast Polymorph on the healers while the white shield is up, as they can sheep themselves.
-*Random Shadowbolts – The Healer’s will also hit random secondary targets with ~1000 damage shadow bolts at raid members in range.
+== Includes in faction disambiguated quest ==
-==Strategies==
-Majordomo is not the target of this encounter, to win you must kill all his guards.
+Please do not put <code><nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki></code> in quests that have a Horde and Alliance version - {{t|Faction disambiguation}} transcludes the quest pages which means that any <code><nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki></code> will break how it looks. I've reverted your changes to [[Quest:The Master's Plan (Alliance)|Quest:The Master's Plan (Alliance)]] and [[Quest:The Master's Plan (Horde)|Quest:The Master's Plan (Horde)]]. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 20:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
-You can sheep the healers, however you can only keep them "chain-sheeped" for the beginning of the battle, but sheeping is disabled after 4 of the adds die.
-Use [[Stun]] and [[Counterspell]] when bringing down the healers. This is important for stopping spell casting and bringing them down fast.
+:oh, right. Sorry didn't know before now, thanks. [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel#top|talk]]) 20:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
-=== Pull ===
-The [[MT]], a hunter, and a paladin will engage Majordomo. The paladin will pull with divine shield. This paladin will attempt to stand closer to Domo than the MT throughout the fight; Majordomo usually teleports the closest player to him to the fire pit. The hunter distracting shots Domo whenever he charges off so that the tank can regain aggro. Majordomo is susceptible to [[Taunt]], but teleporting the MT, thus lowering his aggro makes him randomly wander away from the MT and into the main raid.
+== New and bold ==
-Alternatively you can use a fifth [[Mage]] using [[Ice Block]], or hunter pet to pull Majordomo.
+Why does everyone put 'stub' tags on the new pages they create? For instance [[Tiki Target]] is... rather unlikely to need expansion. Why would I prompt someone to help expand it? I'm trying to learn policies and such.
-=== Sheeps ===
-[[Mage|Mages]] will pull their adds from the group with [[Counterspell]] and then sheep them. [[Hunter]]s will pull their adds to the [[Tank]]s. From a mage point of view, while sheeping, it is critical to drink a Fire protection potion 2 minutes prior to the fight. As well, while sheeping, you should ALWAYS have [[Mana Shield]] / [[Fire Ward]] up, as well as detect magic on the sheep. Never lose your target unless you are far away from all other sheeps and you keep your eye on it. Bandage right after casting a new polymorph. Do NOT [[Polymorph]] while magic reflection is up. [[Sheeping]] is fine with damage reflection. At the pull, mages should have fire ward/mana shield up. Get within max distance of Counterspell and use it to pull aggro, and immediately sheep.
+[[User:Aramak|Aramak]] ([[User talk:Aramak|talk]]) 00:39, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
-Be sure to keep notice of which shields are up on the mobs. White means that casters should take a break from hurling DPS, and purple means that melee classes should stay back (aside from the tank, who should be keeping aggro). We have mods which will give notification when the shields go up and down.
+:Well, most of the new pages these days are about the new contents. Some people leave pages stubbed to ensure the next viewer is advised that the article might lack information.
-Each [[Paladin]], except the portal caster, is assigned to a mage. If the healer unsheeps while shield is up or the mage dies, pally needs to stun or off tank till shield is down. Alternatively you could use a hunter for this.
+For the policies look [[http://www.wowpedia.org/Wowpedia:Stub_policy here]]. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask and I'll answer them to the best of my ability. {{=)}} [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel#top|talk]]) 00:48, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
+== Freedom of information on reasons for policies / DNP policy in specific ==
-=== Powers ===
-Every so often, Majordomo will give his helpers a shield.  The shields last for 10 seconds and either have a 50% chance of reflecting magic attacks, or can reflect up to 100 melee damage when hit.  Keep an eye on raid chat for these.
+Hi, found you via [[Special:Listusers/sysop]], I am new here but not new to wikis :)
-=== Killing the adds ===
-The order of the kills is important to new guilds trying this encounter, and less so to those who have done this enough times to allow some small errors.
+I would be interested in hearing any feedback admins have to this:
-Follow the Leader
+[[Wowpedia_talk:DNP_policy#Reasons_for_policies.3F]]
+(figured it's probably not a page that is read/used much so I'm messaging you all, I couldn't find a noticeboard page though I found [[Wowpedia:Administrators|what looks like a rather out-of-date list of admins]] hehe)
+--[[User:Kittymew|Kittymew]] ([[User talk:Kittymew|talk]]) 14:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
+== Would like to interview you ==
-For new guilds, the most forgiving method is to kill one Elite, then the four Healers, then the other Elites. This means that you won't have tanks switching targets mid-way through the fight, with the exception of the Leading Tank. It also frees up the Mages a little quicker, increasing the DPS.
+Hi TherasTanell,
-Assign one Tank to Majordomo. 4 Tanks to the Elites. 4 Mages to the Healers. One of the Tanks on the Elites is the Leading Tank. His Elite is killed first. He then chooses a sheep, and starts to tank it. Everyone follows him, and kills it. Then he chooses another sheep, and so on, until all of them are down.
+I’m continuing my research (on WoWWiki and WoWPedia) this summer and hope to interview several of the core contributors about their experiences. Would you be available for an interview at some point this summer?
-Once the Healers are down, the Leading Tank makes his way to the nearest Elite, and the raid kills that. Repeat until all adds are down.
+I also wanted to share an article of mine about WoWWiki that was recently published; you can find it linked to from my user page (happy to send you pdf, if you like). For the most part it talks about the writing processes of the community and how members work well together because of shared attitudes and beliefs about writing on a wiki. If you have any questions or feedback, I’d love to hear it.
-=== Materials ===
-This battle is a test of the mana efficiency of the healers, who should bring as many [[Major Mana Potion]]s as possible. Other raid members should be liberal in their use of fire and shadow protection potions, healing potions, and bandages.
+Thanks for considering this. If you're interested in participating, you can contact me here via email <tinyurl [dot] com/5ug7gqq>. [[User:Dakhma|Dakhma]] ([[User talk:Dakhma|talk]]) 15:35, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
-=== Alternate Strat ===
+==Your opinion is desired==
+Your opinion is desired on this [[Talk:Organization#Revert the form|topic]].
-Another way to do this is instead sheep all 4 priests, kill 3 elites, then kill the last elite and 1 priest at the same time.  Then proceed to kill the priests with the original tanks on the priests.  This strategy frees the tank groups from excessive healing and allows more DPS to flow on the adds.  Healers can keep DPS up, Tank warriors can DPS, etc.
+Thank you.
-=== Another Strategy ===
-Polymorph the healers as normal, then kill two elites, then one healer. This leave you with 3 polymorphable healers and 2 elites left. DPS an Elite down to 10-15%, then switch DPS to the other Elite and kill it, then the other damaged Elite in quick succession. This allows the raid to not have to deal with 4 targets at once when the Healers become immune to the polymorph and makes things a little bit easier but is a bit tricky to implement.
+{{User:A'noob/sig}} 07:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
-===And another strategy ===
-Polymorph the healers, kill two elites, bring the other two elites to 30% health.  Break a sheep and kill that healer.  Break the next sheep and kill that healer.  Assist train the two elites that were brought down to 30% earlier, then kill the remaining healers.  The idea here is similar to the strategy outlined above, but is meant to limit the amount of time the raid must deal with 4 targets up by making the 2 elites left alive quick kills after the healers become immune to polymorph.
-==Reward==
+== Names ==
+"source yes, names previously deemed not in the wiki spirit."   Could you direct me to this "already done" discussion?  I believe in thorough attribution.  If someone provides a fact, you may have cause to return to the source of that fact.  Names help that.  Same principle holds for pictures.  If names were not appropriate for wikis, edits would not be personally identifiable.   (And yes, I can name at least one way that could be made practical regarding vandalism.)  --[[User:Eirik Ratcatcher|Eirik Ratcatcher]] ([[User talk:Eirik Ratcatcher|talk]]) 20:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
-Majordomo Executus himself does not drop loot, as he, in fact, does not die. He instead offers access to the [[Cache of the Firelord]].
+:It was in a discussion when Kirkburn at some point uploading images for Cataclysm or perhaps it was WotLK. He once in the beginning of WoW said to an editor that it was not in the spirit of the wiki to include names. If I eventually find it again I'll post it here, but for now, let's go with thorough attribution, as facts tend to get lost on other websites. Well, and the other qualities you mentioned. [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel#top|talk]]) 21:08, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
-{{:Cache of the Firelord}}
+::Apologies.  Didn't mean to come at you quite as forcefully as rereading that sounds.  Still, I do feel strongly about it.  If someone barks, we can chew it over again and see how people feel nowdays.  I wonder if the original context might have been along the lines of giving an individual credit for an article?  No idea.  --[[User:Eirik Ratcatcher|Eirik Ratcatcher]] ([[User talk:Eirik Ratcatcher|talk]]) 21:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
+:::I seem to recall a similar discussion coming up back when Wikia announced that all images would display the name of the uploader. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 21:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
+::::I think that was the idea back then as you say. Hmm, strange, some order must be upheld, how did they keep track of the images in those days? [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel#top|talk]]) 22:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
+:::::It's always said who uploaded it in the file history; Wikia's change was that image attribution would be automatic on the image everywhere it was displayed. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 22:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
+:::In this case, it's second-order attribution; who uploaded it to wowhead, vs who uploaded it to wowpedia.  But yeah, history file has always shown uploader ID.  Just not as a required part of the page the image is used on.  I've seen a wiki or two that did that kind of attribution.  It seemed curiously prominent to me.  --[[User:Eirik Ratcatcher|Eirik Ratcatcher]] ([[User talk:Eirik Ratcatcher|talk]]) 22:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
+== Image name changes ==
-Reputation:  Does not provide reputation gains with the [[Hydraxian Waterlords]].
+I noticed that you moved [[:File:TagarWow.jpg]] to [[:File:Tagar Spinebreaker.jpg]], and while the name change is good, it broke one of the images at [[Template:User Server/NYI]]. Please check what links to the files before you rename them. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 00:28, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
-==Notes==
+:Strange I missed that, sure. [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel#top|talk]]) 00:34, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
-* Majordomo must be defeated before you can fight [[Ragnaros]]
+== Categories ==
-* See other Molten Core [[Molten_Core#Bosses|Bosses]].
+Just forgetful, will remember in the future, sorry.[[User:Skulkerart|Skulkerart]] ([[User talk:Skulkerart|talk]]) 20:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
-== External links ==
-{{elinks-NPC|12018}}
-*[[Image:Bosskillers.png|Bosskillers.com]] [http://www.bosskillers.com/cgi-bin/bbguild/index.cgi?action=bosspage&bossid=19 Bosskillers]
-*[http://www.wow-inner-sanctum.org/Web/forums/3694/ShowPost.aspx Inner Sanctum guide]
-*[http://wow.tentonhammer.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=182 Tentonhammer guide]
+== Archaeology Fragment ==
-{{DEFAULTSORT:Executus, Majordomo}}
-[[Category:Flamewakers]]
+Noticed your mass change to various archaeology fragment pages, transcluding [[Archaeology Fragment]].  The change you made gives me the willies.  I would rest much easier if you made a template holding the particular patch change note, and included it on ''Archaeology Fragment'' as well as the individual types.  This allows individual new patch changes to be reflected where appropriate rather than simply propagating the whole section out of the "source page".  That is, a change to Night Elf Archaeology Fragment wouldn't automatically affect Vykrul Archaeology Fragment.  Also, it avoids having section headers included as part of a transclusion.
-[[Category:Bosses]]
-[[Category:Molten Core mobs]]
+If you agree but would really prefer I do the change (since it is my own bugaboo), let me know. --[[User:Eirik Ratcatcher|Eirik Ratcatcher]] ([[User talk:Eirik Ratcatcher|talk]]) 19:21, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
+== Darkmoon Card defaultsort ==
+Please note that when you do a <nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:}}</nowiki>, it will also be applied to any other category that the item is in. This is why you should sort it only in the Darkmoon Cards category. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 10:36, 24 August 2011 (UTC)