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From the Halls of Reflection:

Uther the Lightbringer says: There is... something else that you should know about the Lich King. Control over the Scourge must never be lost. Even if you were to strike down the Lich King, another would have to take his place. For without the control of its master, the Scourge would run rampant across the world - destroying all living things.

Uther the Lightbringer says: A grand sacrifice by a noble soul...

Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: Who could bear such a burden?

Uther shakes his head.

A bit based of The Flying Dutchman ain't it?

So, who will be this noble soul?

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 11:16, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

How could you have left Bolvar Fordragon out of the poll? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:18, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Not even an other option. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 21:28, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Voice your Opinion

It's obviously Cairne, that's why Baine replaces him in the expansion. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!•C207,729 contributions and counting) 21:44, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

I think sylvannas will take over the Scourge... who better to free the undead (and restock her army) then an undead queen. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 21:45, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

On the Alliance side it could be Gelbin Mekkatorque, a gnome Lich King would be non-menacing so it would probably be a safe choice. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!•C207,729 contributions and counting) 21:48, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

I think it will be Jaina Proudmoore or Bolvar Fordragon. A few more far-fetched theories of mine are that it will be Private Ownusohard, like Blizzard showed, or Invincible, the good-hearted horse turned against his cruel master.--SWM2448 21:51, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not going to add it to the list.. but maybe Vol'jin will be the right choice... give him more than a keg to tap... /sigh, poor Vol'jin. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 21:53, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

You know, I've never really thought about it until now... I'd say Varok Saurfang. Second place goes to Sylvanas. However, I think she'd try to destroy the Scourge instead of control them. I can't see Cairne (or any other tauren, for that matter.) as the Lich King.
Sebreth (talk) 22:02, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Darion Mograine, just because if it was anyone with an existing tie to either the Horde or Alliance it could create some "political" problems, though Sylvanas would be awesome! ^^ Max Krist (talk) 11:06, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any new Lich King. Personally, I think they should burn everything Scourge related and throw Icecrown down the maelstrom. BobNamataki (talk) 19:58, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

And how do you propose they do that? Besides, Icecrown is hardly the only place with Scourge in it, even if we have the Lich King cornered in his own citadel. Lordaeron would still be crawling with them, for starters. Besides, the Maelstrom is on the other side of Northrend from Icecrown, heh.

As to who would take over for Arthas, Uther pretty much put it down pat - someone has to. A soul trapped in Frostmourne would be the best source of that kind of information, other than the Lich King himself. Personally, I'm leaning towards Bolvar or Tirion; the former because no one is sure what Bolvar's role is yet, and the latter because it would be the kind of thing he'd do. --Joshmaul (talk) 20:11, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Have the scourge left Northrend much? How are they going to cross the sea? (Ride Icecrown?). If a new Lich King takes over, wouldn't s/he become corrupt. I say Tirion. BobNamataki (talk) 12:13, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Being the Lich King does not mean being corrupted. That's like being Captain of the Flying Dutchman. Davy Jones was corrupted and used it for evil means, but Will Turner did not and choosed to watch over the dead. The Lich King could keep the rest of the Scourge under control (or destroy it) and stop raising the dead with necromancy.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 12:42, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Theoretically, if Ner'zhul basically possessed Arthas and he was the original Lich King, wouldn't that mean that Arthas could possess the new wielder. I'm so tense waiting for this answer. BobNamataki (talk) 17:57, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

what? :S  Max Krist (talk contribs) 06:02, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Blizz made Bolvar survive, but not to be an ICC Boss, he will surely the one who take the burden to wear the Helm of Domination.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 11:02, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Dark theory

I believe Ner'zhul wants Jaina as his host. Why? Start thinking. Arthas was just a way to getting to her, but he was then attacked by Illidan and wasn't able to proceed with the plan, being forced to use his champion, Arthas, as his host.

And, well, what? I believe Ner'zhul will try to get Jaina, but he'll be discovered, and someone else will force the Lich King inside him to contain him. Bolvar is the obvious choice, having already resisted him.

Then, Darion and the Knights of the Ebon Blade would take the "command" over the Scourge and Icecrown Citadel, and watch for the Lich King not to escape Bolvar's seal. They are the best soldiers to stand frozen around the Lich King, having the same nature as him. They'll watch over Bolvar, and Jaina will return to safety.

During the ending of WotLK, something more could happen, too. Sylvanas would hurt Arthas mercilessly after his defeat, angering Jaina, in a moment when she could have spoken to Arthas for a last time. That will plant the seed of hate against the forsaken.

Some years later, probably after WoW ended and W4 opened a new horizon, Bolvar wouldn't be able to resist Ner'zhul, and would go after Jaina, probaby succeeding and triggering a new age for the Scourge.

My main point for speculating this is Nightmares, where Jaina becomes the Lich Queen. That, and that she's one of the best mages, one Kel'thuzad could have spoken about to Ner'zhul.

Opinions?--Lon-ami (talk) 22:11, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Blizzard is notorious for hinting what they will do. They are incapable of red herrings. I do not understand why Ner'zhul is such a big part of so many theories. I took him as dieing at the end of Arthas: Rise of the Lich King. There seems to be a new entity called "The Lich King" in the head of the Lich King made up of what Kil'jaeden did to Ner'zhul and Arthas' evil. Unless that is contradicted too.--SWM2448 22:17, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

IMO, Jaina the Lich <whatever> is only because she has still some feelings for Arthas (who might have for her (in her opinion) who is the Lich King, and all of this manifest itself in her dreams. I don't believe Ner'zhul (if he is still around) has anything to do with it or that she has any part in a plan of his.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 09:14, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, this is my complete idea which I have thought about extensively based on Frozen Halls, the lower spire and the "lavaman" model mentioned on mmochampion. Also A'noob made a good point about Blizz bringing Bolvar back in the game. At the end of the Lich King encounter the Ashbringer will somehow fall into the hands of Bolvar (either by Tirion dying, dropping it or giving it to him.) At the same time the Lich King will either die or be excorcised in some way , leaving Bolvar as not only the noble soul 'new Lich King' and the new Ashbringer at the same time. Bolvar would be the super op and fiery Lich King who's loyal to the alliance still. He would then gather all the remaining scourge and use his badass new Fiya Powa to burn them all (probably himself too). Then everybody goes home to chill until Deathwing explodes onto the scene. Of course thats a very simplified and silly way of putting it, but I definitely believe Bolvar will be the LK and Ashbringer. Also, i think in the encounter these characters will probably die because they have nothing to lose and don't have much of a place in Azeroth Post-Lich King:

Tirion Fordring

Darion Morgraine

Bolvar Fordragon

Other possible deaths might include Big Daddy Saurfang, Muradin Bronzebeard, Sylvanas. However these guys do have things to lose and have lives back in Azeroth/Draenor to get back to (I know I didn't phrase 'lives' well but you know what I mean.) Anyway thats my 2 million cents on the situation for now. I have alot ofreasons to back up my arguments but I am to lazy to type them right now. Tazmantdr Talk Contr. 16:14, January 13, 2010 (UTC)