Council of Six

Addition suggestions

If you wish to have a race/creature added to this template, please make that request here. Providing the icon would greatly help as well.

• Murloc Children
• Wyverns
• Gryphons
• Hippogryphs

Extension

This is a nice template, I know the purpose was just to make quick things for the main playable races... but with this, we could remove all the multiple race templates currently used. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 02:51, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Started to add a few, and fully removed arakkoa, replace them any time you see one.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 17:58, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Is it really necessary to consolidate the various troll and dwarf types? It just looks very large (especially for trolls), and is misleading since I can't think of any place where the template would be used that would apply to every single dwarf or troll (except on the base dwarf and troll pages themselves). -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:19, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Zones with boxes that display Dwarf as a whole withouth precisions on which dwarf or troll it is.

And by the way, even if dwarf have 5 icons and troll 6, that's not so much more than dragons or elementals who have 4 icons.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 18:22, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

But how many zones contain every single kind of troll or every single kind of dwarf? And actually, I'd probably split up elementals into their various subtypes as well. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:50, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I would not put all dwarves and all trolls in one grp, you're likely to never use it that way. And if you do encounter instances of each type of troll in the same area, you'd want to split them up anyway. Now for elementals.. If you use {{race|<elemental>}} it should use all 4 types, only when you specify which type, should it just use the one icon. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 20:58, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Eredar should also be displaying the Man'ari eredar icons rather than the draenei ones. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:20, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well not really, because Eredar are said to be like Draenei and Man'ari have twisted and mutated from their original form.

Or am I mistaking?

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 07:40, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Technically yes, the draenei are the original eredar race. Unless Blizzard pulls a "surprise!" in the future, though, there are no remaining "pure" eredar who aren't with the draenei, and the word "eredar" is used almost universally to refer to the man'ari eredar. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:05, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

I'm finishing the template and its doc, I let you decide which icons you prefer.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 17:12, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well... there are a few Eredar like Velen, but for the man'ari simply use {{race|<Man'ari>}} Man'ari eredar. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 17:19, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Velen is a drenei, as are all the rest. They're not a racial offshoot; they're the original eredar who have renamed themselves to distance themselves from their demonic brethren. Even the man'ari eredar page redirects to eredar. There are not currently any eredar in the game (or even known in the universe) who are neither draenei nor man'ari. The other problem with the racial "man'ari" template is that it implies that is their name; it isn't. It's simply a description. Everyone always refers to them as eredar. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:35, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Playable Races

This template lacks the capability to link to the "(playable)" race pages for when it's used in various gameplay tables and such. Shouldn't there be <race>-p version for each or something to do this? -- Zeal ^(T/C)  17:08, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense to me, as long as we don't get confusing. (Awesome to see this template in action by the way!) Kirkburn  talk  contr 21:25, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Edit: we actually have {{RaceIcon}} that kinda covers that. However, once the general move to this template from individual NPC races is sorted, perhaps that one should get merged into this one?

When I originally created this template... I designed it for the 10 (at the time) playable races with a link to "<race> (playable)". Can we get that back? --k_d³ 02:45, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

This template changed his purpose, he was redesigned to replace the multiple {{RACE Race}}

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 06:25, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

I believe kd3 is suggesting adding a "playable" parameter. Kirkburn  talk  contr 13:59, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Ow. My bad.

Does {{Race|RACE (playable)}} is ok to you all?

Not to self: "Learn to read morron."

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 14:33, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

No need to be so harsh on yourself! I think that style works. Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:05, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Or a {{#switch:{{lc:{{{1|}}}}}|<playable race>=<race> ([[<race> (playable)|(playable)}} to detect if the race is playable or not. --g0urra[T҂C] 19:30, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Do we want to display:

• Human and Human (playable)?

or

• Human (playable) only?

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 20:57, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Should be displaying as normal unless people state they're refering to the playable race in the template, in which case only the playable one should be linked. I can't think of any sensible case for displaying both, as it looses its meaning and looks silly. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  22:16, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

So we go for the word (playable) after the race's name?

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 22:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

 Human

 Human

-- Zeal ^(T/C)  09:09, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

I meant the parameter. Do we add "Race (playable)" to the list? or something else?

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 13:08, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Woops, lol. I'm not really bothered. After that experience subst'ing the template, i think there's probably far too many verbose ones already.

<race> (playable) seems perfectly fine as it matches the page name and is obvious. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  13:23, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Titanic watcher

As there aren't any titans, but only there watchers in WoW, shouldn't we change Race|Titan to Race|Titanic Watcher ? DeSatyr (talk) 14:59, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that they weren't titans... Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 21:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Freya herself, for example, is called daughter of the titans, so I assume she's none. DeSatyr (talk) 16:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Sea vrykul

I think all mentions of sea vrykul should be changed to kvaldir.--SWM2448 22:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I thought this was already agreed upon... when did that change... Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 22:41, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Suggested Changes

i'm trying some suggestions:

• Remove Drakeadon from the chromatic flight, they have lost their only association with the chromatic flight by being used by the twiligh flight
• Add more icons to each elemental race template example: Earth Elemental i used these four since the limits seems to be 5 icons per template(could add unbound or bound elementals) since these 4 are consistent in the elemental hierarchy(missing 2 prince but that i don't think it matter)
• Add Nerubian spiderlord to nerubian
• Add qiraji prophet and emperor to qiraji

What do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I would prefer to stick with one male and one female only, or only one icon if the subject has several types or is ambiguously gendered.--SWM2448 04:57, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

What SWM said. The point of the icons is to give a quick visual reference for the race, not to be representative of every single individual within that race. Two icons serves this purpose; a long string of icons just looks excessive. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:09, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree very much so with what they said... and I really want to limit how many icons are allowed in this... depending on the name size, should the icons cause the one race/creature to need 2 lines in the infobox, then it has too many icons. This is a problem with the dragonflights. I can't remember if it was ok with 4 icons, but 5 is too much. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 23:23, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Such a long name, it probably only stayed on one line with just one icon. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 23:30, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Still think you should remove drakeadon and add some icons to each individual elemental, maybe the unbound and bound ones.--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Your first point (likely about the Drakeadon Mongrels) is seemingly speculation, and your second point is the opposite of what three other people have said.--SWM2448 00:59, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Ash's Topics:

• 1 - No. The Drakeadon don't lost their associationjust becouse they work TOO in another faction. **Also: Can someone change the order of first and second icons of the chromatic ones? It's to match the order of the Drakes of the another dragonflights.
• 2 - Can be... but I have my doubts
• The Rest - Completely agreeded.

Commentaries: DTZ spoke absurds for me: If the point is guive visual REFERENCE of the template, the template should make REFERENCE to more icons that reference the entire race as possible. But I agree with the fact that we should avoid put in more than one line. Despite this I prefer take two lines instead remove or don't add some icons, in certain cases. Basically I'm with Ash. 2X3, for now. But may numbers don't be the solution to the discussion
And I go to, due this, make...

...more requests:

• A - The subtemplate "Troll" reffers unfairly just to jungle troll Icons, excluding the other subspecies (being excluded is horrible, no? :D). So I propouse: " Troll".
• B - "Faceless one" have very few (just one) icons so, please addd more to reference the others types; "File:IconSmall Erudax.gif Faceless one".
• C - Naga as well: " Naga" (or create "" refering to " Naga").
• D - Create an icon for Forgotten one.
• E - Create to refer Elemental ascendant.
• F - Create Unbound elemental.
• G - As well: Bound elemental.
• H - Improve or create: Ghoul.
• I - Improve: Elemental.

Gabrirt (talk) 03:50, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Gilnean Human

We've got icons for kids, may as well have them for Gilneas as well given the circumstance. File:IconSmall Gilnean Male.gifFile:IconSmall Gilnean Female.gif. are the icons. At the time of posting this they're rough versions I need to edit up a bit. Race template should be

|gilnean=[[File:IconSmall Gilnean Male.gif|Gilnean|link=Gilneas (faction)]][[File:IconSmall Gilnean Female.gif|Gilnean|link=Gilneas (faction)]]

|gilnean= {{{2|[[Gilneas (faction)|Gilnean]]}}}

as the data, and the template should end up looking like

*{{t|Race|Gilnean}} {{Race|Gilnean}}.

--Whitedragon254 (talk) 23:04, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Children are are different case, meanwhile whether Gilnean or other, humans are humans. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 00:27, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

True but we've also got Dragonmaw orc and Mag'hari Orc icons, Technically they're just orcs with different skin colors. Plus it'd look a bit more proper to use these for a Gilnean NPC rather than the human icon or listing every gilneas NPC that is in human form as Worgen. (when we don't know if they are or not.).--Whitedragon254 (talk) 00:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, the Mag'har orc icons represent the uncorrupted orcs... as for the Dragonmaw, I can take or leave them, but some people like having icons for different skin colors. I'm just against having icons for the same race where the only difference is clothing. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 00:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Grimtotem is just face painted tauren. The Gilnean icons are actually representing the Gilneas people in human form or Gilnean humans. We don't know if a gilnean is a worgen or not by just looking at the model, so atleast the icon is somewhere in the middle. We've also got the Highborne, whose icons are just Night elves in different clothing..--Whitedragon254 (talk) 01:42, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

No highborne have a pastier colour as said by blizzard and represented in these icons, i will say this trough if clothing is used to distinguish icons in races should be used at all?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

"Grimtotem is just face painted tauren" - No they're not. Grimtotem tauren are almost exclusively black skinned, which makes them unique. --g0urra[T҂C] 01:56, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I was also going to say that but i was not sure.--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)