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| − | I totaly agre with this merger of {{t|Alliance Icon Small}}, {{t|Horde Icon Small}} and {{t|Neutral Icon Small}} as well as the larger versions {{t|Alliance Icon}}, {{t|Horde Icon}} and {{t|Neutral Icon}} - but to take some of the work load off -- I think we should change the redirects on {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} template to be {{t|FactionIcon|Alliance|small}} for {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|FactionIcon|Horde|small}} for {{t|Horde}} and make <nowiki>{{Neutral}}</nowiki> be {{t|FactionIcon|Neutral|small}} ((After the old <nowiki>{{Neutral}}</nowiki> template has been changed to its proper {{t|Reputation|neutral}} format)) -- that way we can still use the {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} templates and not have to replace them all ( my opinion). -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 22:17, 22 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :I was personally thinking more the other way around. {{t|alliance}} and {{t|horde}} is terribly convenient. Put parameters on these for the (less frequent) need for the other icons. But that assumption may be in correct, which is why I put it up for discussion. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 10:57 PM, 26 Jul 2009 (EDT) |
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| + | Continued from the ongoing parallel discussion at [[Talk:Organization#Ethnic_groups_and_organizations]]: |
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| − | ::At the moment {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} both redirect to {{t|Alliance Icon Small}} and {{t|Horde Icon Small}} - going with your idea of merging the individual Icon template {{t|Alliance Icon}}, {{t|Alliance Icon Small}}, {{t|Horde Icon}}, {{t|Horde Icon Small}}, {{t|Neutral Icon}}, and {{t|Neutral Icon Small}} could be all merged into the template {{t|FactionIcon}} since it does both sized for all 3 factions - 1 main template -- and we can change {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} to no longer be redirects but become shortcuts to <nowiki>{{FactionIcon|Alliance|small}} and {{FactionIcon|Horde|small}}</nowiki>. We can then keep {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} on all pages as they are -- and just change the pages that use teh Large and Neutral icons -- or better yet since {{t|Neutral}} no longer is used as a Reputation template it can be the <nowiki>{{FactionIcon|Neutral|Small}}</nowiki> counterpart? -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 03:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::That's fine. Side note, maybe it's {{t|FactionIcon}} that's missing combat support that was the problem with {{t|NPC}}. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 12:00 AM, 27 Jul 2009 (EDT) |
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| + | There are two related problems that i think should be fixed with the consensus of the community. |
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| − | I would think to make things easier and have to type out less, that small would be the default instead of the large versions. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 04:56, September 12, 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | ==Organizations== |
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| + | While studying and talking about organizations in the [[Talk:Organization#Ethnic_groups_and_organizations]] that i helped make it's hard to concentrate when the list itself is huge, and the same standards can't be applied to all groups, mainly the fact that small racial/ethnic groups that aren't allied with any of the big groups makes it a huge list i proposed 2 changes, with 3 possible solutions that i could think of: |
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| + | #1 Separate the main section from the racial/ethnic groups |
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| − | == Sort order == |
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| + | #2 Separate each big faction into smaller articles, like it was already done here [[Goblin organizations]], Applied for example on the alliance would be either creating a section in the [[Alliance]] article [[Alliance#Organizations]] or a entirely new article [[Alliance organizations]], i favour the later because it creates less problems in the faction article |
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| + | #3 do both of the above |
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| − | |{{FactionIcon/dev|Combat|sort=}} |
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| − | |{{FactionIcon/dev|Horde|sort=}} |
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| − | |{{FactionIcon/dev|Neutral|sort=}} |
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| − | |{{FactionIcon/dev|Aldor|sort=}} |
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| − | |{{FactionIcon/dev|Scryers|sort=}} |
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| + | This is all i could think off if anybody knows a way to reduce the size of this page and maintain structure this page tell me, I think the second solution is currently the best.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:36, 12 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::With suggestions from Gourra i applied solution 2 you can see them at [[Organizations]], [[Alliance organizations]] and [[Horde organizations]], i however am in doubt if i should apply the same situation for the following "big factions": Scourge, Illidari, Burning Legion and Old Gods' Forces.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 20:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | ! Live |
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| + | ==Racial Group Templates== |
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| − | I think this is a more reasonable sort order ({{t|FactionIcon/dev}}). Does anyone disagree? {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 6:31 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT) |
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| + | The second problem is the fact that all racial group template (most examples can be seen at on of my pages[[User:Ashbear160/List of Ethnicities]]) they are almost all about the same type of subject different tribes/clans/nations/packs/herds/groups within a single race, which for simplicity sake i will call ethnic groups, these templates need all to be reworked to fit one or at least some sort of common standard, because some are divided into subraces, others by location, some by allegiance and even some by which type of product they appear in, and i'm really having troubles figuring out how to create a common stand for these templates, so i could use the some help figuring out the following. |
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| + | :Common Name(i only thought of changing all references to tribes/clans/nations/packs/herds to either Ethnic Groups or just Groups, i think the later should be the one used) |
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| + | :Common Standards for groups within the template(I think a division by subrace would be most appropiate) |
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| − | :I figured that [[File:Alliance 32.gif]], [[File:Horde 32.gif]] and {{factionIcon|neutral}} were more impotant factions thant {{factionIcon|Aldor}} and {{factionIcon|Scryers}} so did not put the latter 2 in perfect alpha order with the primaries. So I choose the way the Live version is (personaly). -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 22:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Ya but... it's not alphabetical. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 7:05 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT) |
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| − | :::I agree it is not perfect Aldor, Alliance, Combat, Horde, Neutral, Scryers order but so far I have never see anyone use Aldor up against any other faction other than Scryers, or use Alliance with any other faction other than Horde or Neutral -- in this case it is in Alpha order Alliance will always be before Horde before Neutral and Aldor is always before Scryers. Primaries and then Secondaries, then yes it is in perfect alpha order. -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 23:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::Going with what you just said, no need to architect for a situation that isn't happening yet. So I'm putting in the alpha sort, so that the template is easier to maintain. If any other icons are added, no changes will be needed to support them. If in the future this "natural order" sorting is a problem, we'll override it. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 8:52 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT) |
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| − | :::::That works for me. '''Easy''' is better (most of the time) -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 01:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Could anyone make icons for the big villain factions please |
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| − | *Illidian's forces |
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| − | *Burning Legion |
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| − | *Scourge |
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| − | *Twilight Hammer |
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| − | :The current ones are reflective of the gameplay aspect. Why subdivide the combat icon?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 04:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | ::If that's the way it works okay but i was thinking if they did for aldor ad scryer they could do for the big bads since they are more impotant.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 12:22, 6 May 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Those icons represent how things react to the player.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 17:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::If that's the case, then there shouldn't be a Shattered Sun Offensive icon, or the Argent Dawn and Argent Crusade icons that were recently put in. Those aren't factions that players are affiliated with that would be contrasted (Aldor vs Scryer, and arguably, Oracles vs Frenzyheart). --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 08:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::However, unlike the Burning Legion, Scourge, and Twilight's Hammer which are always hostile, you have a choice with the others. You could mark At War with them and become hated. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 08:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | == New icons == |
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| − | It seems we are getting some new icons... What do people think of [http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:FactionIcon2 this]?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 21:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | :Possibly.. I haven't completed decided if we all want to add more, a vote can be had... however, I'd like to use the new Horde and Alliance icons, change to a PNG format (rather than GIF) and add the capability of xlarge icons to this template. Unless there is any disagreements to that. Of course, have to wait till [[File:Neutral 15.png]] fixes itself from having a white background, before I do that. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 21:47, 20 June 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | Okay, the new Alliance/Horde icons have be switched over and many templates that used the old ones have been switched over as well. We'll probably keep {{t|Alliance Icon}} and {{t|Horde Icon}} for the ones that want to use the older icons... otherwise everything should be switched from them to {{t|FactionIcon|Alliance/Horde}}. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 05:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | :"Getting some new icons"? What did I miss? Where are those icons from? From an official source, or are they just created by Fandyllic? --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 08:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Well, Fandyllic likely took the images from tabards or banners from game files to make them... so they're official. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 08:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 20:42, 13 July 2011
Forums: Village pump → Organization and Racial Group templates
Continued from the ongoing parallel discussion at Talk:Organization#Ethnic_groups_and_organizations:
There are two related problems that i think should be fixed with the consensus of the community.
Organizations
While studying and talking about organizations in the Talk:Organization#Ethnic_groups_and_organizations that i helped make it's hard to concentrate when the list itself is huge, and the same standards can't be applied to all groups, mainly the fact that small racial/ethnic groups that aren't allied with any of the big groups makes it a huge list i proposed 2 changes, with 3 possible solutions that i could think of:
- 1 Separate the main section from the racial/ethnic groups
- 2 Separate each big faction into smaller articles, like it was already done here Goblin organizations, Applied for example on the alliance would be either creating a section in the Alliance article Alliance#Organizations or a entirely new article Alliance organizations, i favour the later because it creates less problems in the faction article
- 3 do both of the above
This is all i could think off if anybody knows a way to reduce the size of this page and maintain structure this page tell me, I think the second solution is currently the best.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:36, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
- I'll try to do the second option in a while if nobody opposes it--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:26, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
- With suggestions from Gourra i applied solution 2 you can see them at Organizations, Alliance organizations and Horde organizations, i however am in doubt if i should apply the same situation for the following "big factions": Scourge, Illidari, Burning Legion and Old Gods' Forces.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Racial Group Templates
The second problem is the fact that all racial group template (most examples can be seen at on of my pagesUser:Ashbear160/List of Ethnicities) they are almost all about the same type of subject different tribes/clans/nations/packs/herds/groups within a single race, which for simplicity sake i will call ethnic groups, these templates need all to be reworked to fit one or at least some sort of common standard, because some are divided into subraces, others by location, some by allegiance and even some by which type of product they appear in, and i'm really having troubles figuring out how to create a common stand for these templates, so i could use the some help figuring out the following.
- Common Name(i only thought of changing all references to tribes/clans/nations/packs/herds to either Ethnic Groups or just Groups, i think the later should be the one used)
- Common Standards for groups within the template(I think a division by subrace would be most appropiate)
- Thanks for your help.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:36, 12 July 2011 (UTC)